RE:RE:Nuclear Policy
by ahmedabadiguy on Jul 11, 2008 08:18 AM Permalink
You are absolutely correct. Instead of hiding everything, this should be discussed through a public debate and referendum.
We have refused to sign NPT on the grounds that it is discriminatory.This Indo-US nuclear deal is also discriminatory and is restrictive for our military nuclear programme. Indeed it places us below the existing nuclear powers including China and the Western powers "in perpetuity" in relation to nuclear weapons programme.Does any Government has the right to bind us forever to a subordinate status? indeed Congress is known for creating all the mess by signing various bilateral agreements be it with Pakistan, China or even Nepal and Bangladesh.Look where have all these ill-conceived short-sighted agreements left us? We are having the worst possible relations with all our neighbours. Militancy and terrorism promoted by these neighbours is taking a severe toll of our scarce resources both in J&K and North East which is now spreading across the entire country.Losing our leverage and getting in the US camp can never be a prudent long term policy. We need to remain equidistance from both china and the US and follow a completely independent policy to serve our national interests and pride.
RE:Nuclear Policy
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 11, 2008 08:49 AM Permalink
Badri Mian, Are you speaking an Indian or somebody who has a phobia against USA like all Leftists?
RE:Nuclear Policy
by markand desai on Jul 11, 2008 08:42 AM Permalink
Real face of congress is exposed.The polices adopted have failed misrably on economic front.And now this policy of N Deal shall make Indai slave for ever. The way ecomonic policy failure is felt onlt after 4 yearsthe effect of N deal policy shall be felt many more years from now when most of the congresses responsible shall be no more in power or otherwise. JAGO INDIAN YOUTH JAGO CONGRESS BHAGSVO.OPPOSE THE ACTIONS NAD POLICIES OF CONGRESS WHO PAMPERS FOR VOTE FOR THEIR POWER.
RE:Nuclear Policy
by amit anand on Jul 11, 2008 09:52 AM Permalink
Well, the nuclear deal might prove to be a boon for the country but anyone who feels that it is the only issue which would figure on the top during the next general elections must be grossly mistaken. Govt. has failed badly in controlling inflation / price rise, has introduced further reservations in institutes of repute for cheap political mileage, has failed to curb the growing menace of terrorism, the home minister has proved to be the weakest link in the govt. No attempts have been made to control naxalites movements. If one reviews the over all security scenario in the country over the past 4 yeras it has deteriorated to a serious extent. Congress must reply to the nation on these issues as well. The hoax of Communalism can't secure them votes all the times.
RE:RE:Nuclear Policy
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 11, 2008 08:53 AM Permalink
But 82 year old bhudavoo LK Advani will die much before and he is the one who wants to ride on N-deal to become PM,the post which is still not vacant. Since B(ad) J(oker) Party does not have any horses but only donkeys it should not be worried about horse trading.Got it Markand? Also, improve your English spellings.Appears your hands are working faster than your brain. Get spell check done before punching submit button in great hurry.
RE:kick the govt out
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 11, 2008 08:44 AM Permalink
Also kick out knickerwalas for not opposing reservations for the fear of losing votes.
2. China’s support for Pakistan in arms and Nuclear technologies. 3. China’s policy of containment against India. 4. Left parties stand on “China’s claim over Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim”. I hope I made things clearer for some of you. Post your comments if you have any questions. I will try my best to answer them.
RE:N-Deal : Explained - Part 5
by Sameer on Jul 11, 2008 08:20 AM Permalink
i dont understand, how does pakistan get support from both China and USA while these two countries are not in good terms when dealing directly. what is the logic behind this
RE:N-Deal : Explained - Part 5
by Madhu Sudhanan on Jul 11, 2008 08:28 AM Permalink
In the game called geo-politics, this is usual. India was in USSR camp during cold war and it needs some check and hence Pakistan is supported by India. China wants to contain India and hence it supports Pakistan to keep India in check. At present US needs Pakistan just for its proximity to Afghanistan and its ease to be controlled. But in other terms US had tilted towards India at the present time. US is losing its interest and patience on Pakistan. For your information US and China fought against Japan in the world war. Now US and Japan are allies and are against China. Self interest matters, rest are subject to change for convenience.
If you observe the pattern and the change in the behaviour of the nations especially west, the things are pretty obvious. India was flooded with sanctions after Nuclear test, but G8 now supports N-Deal with India. In a way this is a success on its own. Remember G8 has strong influence in NSG. Just observe who is opposing the N-Deal, China and Pakistan. This makes things clearer than before. Your enemy is not happy when something is happening to you. Would it be good or bad? When India pushing so hard to get Nuclear technology and fuel, China had opted for coal in spite of having access to the technology and fuel. There is a saying in China. “Hide your strength and bide your time.” That is exactly what China is doing now. The problem with China is it never fights like a man (as USSR did with US during Cold war). It contains India with Pakistan. It troubles Japan and US with North Korea. Taking all this into consideration, what is happening now is right for India. After so many years, India learnt to make big, brave and right moves in its history. Why LEFT parties oppose N-Deal? Left parties in India were never played a role which is progressive for India. Left draws support from China to weaken India much for China’s own interest. If LEFT parties can answer any of these questions in front of the people of this country, they may look to have legitimate desires for India. 1. Comments about increasing nuclear submarines in China around India. 2. China’s support for Pakistan i
The governments should realise that they are mere custodians of the property and policies set by nation-the citizens-and are servants and not masters.This is basic difference between democracy and all other models of governance.But Comgress think that once they are elected by votes they become masters and not under any body.Our Congress politicians including prime Minister are suffering from this myopia.We don't give a damn to what Man Mohan thinks.What is important is what nation thinks.He has to just implement that or get the hell out from chair of PM.In such crucial matters like Nuclear accord,citizens of India have to be taken into confidence.Nothing done on behalf of ctiizens can be confidential and should be hidden from public.GOI is hiding many sections of Accord.They must come clean and hold agreement till citizens decide.The servants should stop behaving like masters.Nuclear is very serious matter and is certainly not just any other commercial deal.It should have been like that.If we need fuel and technology NSG also needs buyers.Nuclear techlogy is dangerous from A to Z of its operations and handling right upto waste fule disposal.Indian needs cheaper and condition free supplies and assured one.It has to be safe and India's defense needs are to be addressed.What is cost of all the supplies?Where waste will be disposed?How mauch India can generate by Nuclear plants?What about R&D and Thorium?Do we have to modify our foreign policy?GOI must answer these quations.
RE:Government of India must not act over eager and over smart
by Madhu Sudhanan on Jul 11, 2008 08:03 AM Permalink
Manmohan Singh is trying his best to explain this to the nation. Safety about Nuclear power. If handled properly, in the current time Nuclear power is the cleanest form of energy. Please don't think that Wind, Solar can do wonders with the existing technology. The current deal is all about opening one most important door and that does not mean in any way India has to depend solely on Nuclear power. India will and should use all form power generation which includes Nuclear, Thermal, Hydro, Solar, Wind and other technologies. With trend of raising carbon emission, if the powerful nations manages to modify their design of power generation which they would can potentially go after big contributors of carbon as they go now against nuclear proliferating nations. I am not in favor of Congress, but with given situation in the world order, Manmohan is making right actions for the benefit of the country. In any democracy, though everyone can vote, the critical people (elected people) will decide the functioning of nation. It is impossible to include the entire population, especially in country like India where most of population does not understand the world order and India position and progress. Even during British rule, out of 300 million people only 10 million people were revolting against British rule, others were living under British rule. Are you ready to go with the mass (majority of the population). We would still be a colony of British Empire.
RE:Government of India must not act over eager and over smart
by Vijay A on Jul 11, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
"In any democracy, though everyone can vote, the critical people (elected people) will decide the functioning of nation" - Problem is MMS is not elected but selected.
This is why India wants to possess N-bomb. And the west realizes this and that the India does not have any serious concern about West and its principles though West had troubled India for long time in the past. Now when whole game is changing in the world, West has to be on some side, with India being a democracy, with same values as that of west and does not have any serious plan to be a threat to west on one end. And China whose intentions are mystic and known not be so friendly for the interest of the west on the other end. West would prefer India rather than China. So India does not want to sign NPT. What is India trying to do now is to get the opportunity to get access to Nuclear trade and technology without signing NPT. The NSG (and west understand this) and trying to facilitate this. During all these years of isolation from Nuclear trade, India had managed to develop indigenous technologies which is not comparable to leaders in the Nuclear field but substantial. This section of technology does not come under IAEA and international inspection and will continue to increase. India’s strategic interests are not coming under international inspection. Only facilities used for civilian (peaceful) purpose would come under international inspection to prevent India from using the technology or supply to these facilities for its military programs.
RE:N-Deal : Explained - Part 3
by Vijay A on Jul 11, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
expecting US and West to come to our direct defence,as they might do for Israel is I would say not being pratical. In fact US and West would always want the countries who can pose challenge to them in long run to fight with each other so they can maintain their domination. All this talk by west of sharing common values, democracy.. etc with India is hogwash. World is not run on values but on intrests as can be seen by US and west supporting dictators and even terrorists as long as it serves their intrest. Also let us not forget without US support we would not have Pakistan with nuclear weapons.. in fact we would not have Pakistan if it was not for US. Same is in Nepal.. maoists there have direct support of US.Further once we are dependent on US after this deal how shall we ensure thay would not extract their pound of flesh? We have already voted against Iran at IAEA after we were threatened by some US congressmen. About bigger encirclement, Australia has already fallen in place after being warned by China and have started distancing from India.
RE:N-Deal : Explained - Part 3
by Vijay A on Jul 11, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
this deal is begining towards CRE - cap, rollback and eliminate of our nuclear weapons. putting civilian reactors under IAEA is first step towards capping.
North Korea same reason to keep US and its allies at bay and not so secret support by communist China to this communist nation which it could be used as proxy to engage west by China. Pakistan’s reason is as simple as anyone can think, never do anything which India refuses to do. After Israel, India is the only nation whose standpoint is considered to be reasonable though not accepted in public by any nation. China (PRC) has a grand design for India. With all its might of 1 billion people, the all but one nation which could be come anyway close to a challenger is India. This is not some fantasy. With it demographics, spirit of people, population, support from west (democracy, free nation), success in its diplomacy (this nation had good relation with Iraq and West at the same time, this nation has good relation with Iran and Israel at the same time), blue water navy and its ever expanding might in Indian ocean, technology with right leadership and right will. Hence China follows a policy of containment (Art of encirclement), see what they are doing around India (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar, Srilanka). Now India has to answer these. India (with support of West) is learning the Art of bigger encirclement (India, Singapore, Australia, Japan, South Korea and the US). With China having a dirty design for India, India has to have the least possible deterrence. Otherwise China will drag and get the soul out of India any day without any thought. This is w
First of all, I want to clarify my credibility to write about the N-Deal. I have long enough experience in following diplomacy, foreign policies, strategic positions of India, US and much of the western countries. I have been observing the trend for a pretty long time now. Why this deal is good for India? Being a nation which does not want to sign NPT and not one of the permanent 5 in UNSC (read it as countries which exploded N-bomb much ahead of India and enjoying a favourite status in Nuclear game), India as of now will not be included as a part of any Nuclear trade among any nation. Should we sign NPT? No. Reason being NPT is in a way biased. NPT treats possession of nuclear bombs by the big 5 (permanent member of UNSC otherwise called as Nuclear Weapon State NWS) which includes US, UK, France, Russia and China (PRC) as legitimate and possession by any other states as illegitimate. Many countries signed NPT except India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea (which initially ratified but later withdrew from the treaty). Why these countries have problem in signing NPT. Israel being a small state which cannot even be pointed in a world map cannot afford to have its enemies (which it has on all sides – remember the 6 nation which engaged war against Israel not long time ago) bombard it with missiles and retaliate. Because then it would be too late for Israel. So Israel need to have a strongest of the deterrent in the world to make its enemies think twice or thrice before atta
