There are facts in this article!"... the common refrain is that companies offer unreachable targets, unrealistic incentive temptations and poor work profile" is rightly happening in the industry!
But I feel, employees must use maximum opportunities to negotiate for salary and must use opportunities to change the jobs! It should be only your preference to work with an employer , you need not have unrealistic commitments and loyalty towards your employer, work honestly but work for yourself and for your career! If your are not rewarded properly, change the job!!Let the employers scream ATTRITION!!!!
The only point i support is the statement raised by Mr Naik but with some changes... why cant a 10th or 12th fail student join IT sector coz even they r eligible for copy paste jobs or our engineers r of low caliber that they join such coolie sectors like IT, private banks,BPO then cry... when are we gonna manufacture ... we always crib about IT but we dont have any product in market... be it SAP,ORACLE,MICROSOFT etc... yes we do have wipro soap.... as most of US top notches r shiftin to china and makin them learn english,how much time india will sustain these IT jobs.... just a matter of time and once everythin will get shifted to china we may see havoc in india... anyways some automobile manufacturers have come to india and many other manufacturing sectors like food pharma FMCG will b soon seen in india...
RE:IT sector....
by dudeman on May 04, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
yup, u make a good point about the nature of the IT services jobs in india. Its shocking to see these jobs associated with so much prestige back home when one does not require any special skills to do well in this industry. These jobs are treated so lowly in US that they have been shipped to india and unfortunately the desis mine no words while bragging about the so called 'MNC' jobs. Its time for a change in this attitude. We need to respect and pay the professors in the universities more than these IT junkies. that would lead to talented people stuck in this cesspool to join the universities and use their knowledge and intelligence to start doing R & D. Its only R& D which can develop a nation necessitating more attention from people back home for the sake of their future.
RE:IT sector....
by on May 04, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
dudeman, rexberry
Your pathetic IQ is represented in your reply. Developing IT product need lots of analytical skill, consultant in SAP, oracle are paid 100 dollar per hour in usa not for copy paste morons. And one of you happy about manufacturing sector, the more manufacturing sector , the more pollution. India too would be polluted like China. West would move all polluting industry to developing India. Dudeman talking about attitude and paying more to professor, you are complete dumb guy. Guys in IT are paid more because the companies bill lot. It is pure business, to pay high to professor the universities need to raise fees, which is difficult considering the government control. jobs are not shifted to India because they are considered low, but because it is expensive to pay IT guys.
RE:IT sector....
by rexberry on May 04, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
To anonymous In your own words u said that we indians do copy paste jobs while the west do creative jobs in IT.... Then why so much of hype n hoopla for such stupid jobs which can b done by anyone....be a terrorist wid fake resume or an SSC dropout kid..all of them survive in IT in india ... CAN U JUSTIFY THIS...
RE:IT sector....
by radiantBlueman on May 05, 2008 12:58 AM Permalink
rexberry, Implementing the complexities of business is not a simple task, even those which are not related to product development but automating business needs considerable time and investment. people in IT have to constantly update their knowledge unlike other fields. Why dont you write a simple program of matrix multiplication than come and talk about IT and copy paste etc. you pick any job other than medical you don't need indepth knowledge of subject. Working in IT industry you work in stuff in which you are specialized, one does not have to have through knowledge of computer science, the reasoning ability and ability to learn tehnology is enough
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by manmishr on May 05, 2008 12:37 AM Permalink
fake resume and fake talents are everywhere be it India or US or any other country. Yes every one has difficulty in dealing with that. But this doesn't mean that all are fake, . yes, team work is more in IT and team of 10 one or two fake hard to catch, and after sometime fake also become original by gaining experience. Interesting na.
RE:IT sector....
by manmishr on May 05, 2008 12:30 AM Permalink
dude, don't comment without knowing. In IT all kinds of jobs there, R&D, development, Maintenance, product, critical database support and yes, BPO which can be done by 12th fail with good English. Examples in above article are not about IT but other industries. yes, initially BPO was more but now high end jobs like R&D also coming in bunch. It's all about business but duffer like you can only comment without knowing. Working conditions in IT is much better and yes honesty is more, they never put in dark , it's your choice to do particular job. Yes, we need to do better in other area, but blaming IT is not a solution. In fact IT is helping other industries by flowing money.
The problems are many. 1. Everyone is rushing to get an MBA as if that is the ultimate jewel in the crown. As we all know only few get selected to prestetgious colleges for MBAs and believe me the other MBAs is not worth the paper it is writen on. To begin with, forget the hole in the wall colleges offering MBAs. Secondly, we need to have a different outlook regarding work practices. There is no such thing as free lunch. You have to really sweat it out to get high salary which the private companies are offering. No one is bound to acept a job which he/she is not happy with. Take it or leave it. There are plenty of MBA grads grom small colleges looking for jobs and naturally they will be appointed as door to door sales people. Engineers are dime a dozen and naturally the price goes down with heavy supply! So it is upto the parents not to force their children to study something for which they have no aptitude.
The article is filled with excuses. Doing MBA dosen't mean you will become Manager very next day with full filmy that bat. It happned only in bollywood movies or doing engineering dosen't mean you will start making rockets very next day. You have to work hard to become successfull in life. This article is written in frustration by a kamchor person.
RE:excuse
by vasu venkataramania on May 04, 2008 04:02 PM Permalink
I agree. There are many engineering graduates who do not know how to hold a spanner.
RE:excuse
by sandeep sandhu on May 04, 2008 04:06 PM Permalink
Very Right. We will have to learn to make our path in life and stop expecting a ready made lunch, IAS, IPS, or Filmy ishtyle...That happened only in India...But it is changing.
Every organisation that existed on public money is increasingly being asked to become accountable. What is MBA degree to think so highly of ourselves?
Ishwar Chander Vidayasagar, the great educationist of the past century carried the luggage of a guest who had come to hear his lecture. When he saw the same coolie deliver the lecture, the guest, nearly fainted. But he was taught a lesson by the great man. sandeep
RE:Useless people
by sandeep sandhu on May 04, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
Yes, parents who were public sector employees make a hullabaloo when their children are put to such jobs. Opportunity is called "torture". Moving about in streets asking for bank accounts is a banker's job not a policeman's. We have to destroy our self created stereotypes. Once you are in an organisation, you have to work for it. Like a Lt. Col has to march ahead of his foot-soldiers in a battlefield. If army officers start saying,"Oh we didn't qualify the CDS or SSC for this...what will happen."
I again say change is coming. We will have to sweep our own floors, wash our clothes, and do everything....that is how it is everywhere else in the world.
RE:icici bank is one of them
by sandeep sandhu on May 04, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
Compare it with SBI and then make a reality check. Our nationalised banks were known for criminal neglect of their customers (the stakeholders) to fatten the bellies of their employees. It is due to this fact that a country the size of small Indian state, Japan, lends money to India.
Change man. This is change and it is coming. ICICI was the begining....and it's certainly not the end.
RE:icici bank is one of them
by jagdeep on May 04, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
sbi doesnt send recovery agent do they? they ddont have hidden charges do they?
RE:RE:icici bank is one of them
by sandeep sandhu on May 04, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
There is nothing like a "hidden charge" if we append our signature after reading what the paper carries. It is all there. Only thing is we don't read before we sign...
RE:RE:icici bank is one of them
by sandeep sandhu on May 04, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
That's why they have crores of NPA given to VIPs....all locked up. Shut factories, gobbled up warehouses, the high and mighty have been robbing the country with hands, tongues, legs, and what not....These banks didn't give 10000 rs loan to common man, but doled out lakhs to VIPs to set up rice mills, cold storages, cinemas...that never were!!!!
If you don't spend 4 -5 hrs OFFICE time in Tea/lunch and Gossip. You don't need to work unpaid extra office hours. We Indians need to change our attitudes and stop thinking that MY BOSS will think I am doing more work as I stick around in the office for more hours even with 1% productivity in those 16hrs! Your Boss is enough matured and has gone through the same phase and knows what all do. I will say, if you are paid for a 9am to 5 pm job, stick your ass on the chair and DO the WORK dont just hang around and do the jobs for which people are already there just like ordering Tea, Printing NEWS article, FORWARDING the shit E-Mails to your girlfriends and family members. I will say most of the young employees just spend time in office because it gives opportunity to talk to opposite sex! If you take out this time from your working schedule, you will know you are just using 2-3 hours to work out of the 16 hrs spent in office.
Please change the ATTITUDE and be sincere to work. I work from 9am-5:30pm in a much B2C performance driven job, then too my BOSS can't dare to say I should stay a minute after 5:30pm, cos he knows where my ass is when I am in the office from the Reports I produce and Money I bring into the business. Your BOSS or any other senior MANAGER in the company will never say you need to spend 12-16 hrs in office, but it is WE who develop such culture and stay in office showing the WORKD how INEFFICIENT WE ARE!
RE:Stick your Ass to the JOB you are GIVEN-stop FWD Emails
by Bharathi Balasubramanian on May 04, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
dont just blame the people for this attitude.. its the work that shud make them keep there ass in the seat .. do u think it is possible for you to stare @ the excel sheets, reports and bloody codes which are coded by someone from 9 to 5.30 .. you may be a exception .. unless kind of work changes people attitude will not change.. also almost 40% of the work starts only after 6 PM thats when clients comes or our onsite ppl
RE:Stick your Ass to the JOB you are GIVEN-stop FWD Emails
by sushant none on May 05, 2008 05:56 AM Permalink
@Bharathi, Dude you have not seen people in other parts of world working and hence you speak about "is it possible..." crap. My mates here in UK are from around the globe, from US to Australia and they do stick their ass from 9-5:30 to their seats, no hanging around with friends in canteens/food courts, no calls to gf's/bf's etc. It's work and just work for 8/8:30 hours and then they are completely chilled out after 6. And yes Mr Bharathi they code, test, design and what not. So why don't you just accept an try to follow what Mr Tejas is saying. I guess you ar one amongst the defaulters.
Private sector is known for this kind of exploitation and public sector for the slothful work manner always. Just stand in the queue of a Nationalised bank as a customer and you will forget this story. Fat paypackets, a simple BA working as a General Manager, Clerks shouting at the top or their voices, queue jumping, slamming the windows shut in face of customers because it was 2.30 pm, a granted leave from work for every small or big festival...and what not. To get a loan was as tough a call as scaling the Mt. Everest. Edumund Hillary must have never visited a bank in India or else he would have given up his mementoes! Private sector banks have changed everything. How do they do that? Asking for performance. My way or Highway.
And life has been like that for the people who worked in private sector always. And what about the army, the paramilitary forces...For a paltry 14000 a sentry has to experience death everyday. If Maruti changed the automobile scenario of India, ICICI did the same to banking sector...
I will say one of the impressive article ever read giving fact about the newly qualifieds in India. The IT sector indeed needs students who are just having commerce or arts degrees. The reason is these areas have creativity in it nd students who take up such courses are indeed very much different then Engineers. I am myself an engineer and I know what job is done in these high paid IT companies. A Engineer needs something more than a repeatative tasks, a job where one can develop a product. Yes, there are such jobs but most are limited. Then why the companies are recruiting Engineers for even a Tea attendant job? They should clearly speak out to public that they want people with certain IQ or aptitude this can help students from wasting money in the expensive courses like Engineering/ MCA or MTech and help themselves in changing their attitude and approach to how a TASK is carried out in alternative and logical way.
