ok I will be cursed a lot for this message but I have to tell the truth. I stay in USA and the other day had to stand in a queue for 3 hours just to get my state-id (which is just a 10 min process) thats when I thought that if I was in India it would really had been a 10 min process if I paid 50 bucks to a tout.atleast I would save my time.
RE:corruption
by Greywolf on Mar 25, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
see what a little expediting charge can do to service the people... the americans are idots.. they have not extended the system to street level as in india,, after all desi brain better than the yankee brain..
RE:RE:corruption
by ashish on Mar 25, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
yes may be ,never denied tat cause desi brain is used to stench ,corruption and filth in india so when we go to well organised first world countries life becomes a cake walkk
RE:corruption
by Sreenivas Desabhatla on Mar 25, 2008 09:22 PM Permalink
this is only a small incident. When I was in America in Losangeles, I could get lot of things done by catching the correct person in the same organisation by bying his dinner the previous day in a decent restaurent. what is this ? is it not corruption. If you read the LA Times daily you can find half a dozen coruption cases. Even the topmost boss of the Police was suspended because he allowed his relation scottfree though he committed murder, by manipulating the witnesses. you say this is notcorruption in US? It is in the blood of human being. Some fear God and follow the scriptures and considered as poius. Sreenivas Desabhatla
RE:corruption
by ashish on Mar 25, 2008 10:59 PM Permalink
u little queer then why dont u return to india u hyppocrite ah livin in the states and condemning it ,so typically indian get outta here u little tamil
when a person gets a traffic ticket in India, instead of paying the fine , he will give half of the fine as bribe to the police and escape. In evry thing it is the people who dont follow rules and encourage corruption. dont blame the administration, it is the common man who is corrupt. As the saying goes meran bharat mahan , sou me se ninyanve beyimaan.......
RE:RE:Evrybody is corrupt
by Anand Rao on Mar 25, 2008 08:59 PM Permalink
WOA! What a point of view! They why not legalize it? And whay have the whole system of "LAW", commiting crime is also just human nature isnt it? Stop propagating gyan here and add some value to the debate.
RE:RE:Evrybody is corrupt
by Greywolf on Mar 25, 2008 11:01 PM Permalink
i am going to suggest it to the government to take this money as "expediting service fees" or "hush charges".. they have tatkal train tickets.. so whu not tatkal everthing.. atleast you can pay by cheque and the finance minister make money for the country by collecting service tax ,.. and most important all this will be deductable as business expenses.. so everyone is happy.. what a good idea
RE:RE:Evrybody is corrupt
by Anand Rao on Mar 25, 2008 08:55 PM Permalink
Here's an instance for you: Bearing in mind India is a poor country(I dont say this, the congress government says this). You are driving a bike. You have neared the signal and there is a huge truck infront of you because of which you can not see the signal. While you were crossing the signal turned red. you couldnt see it and got caught by the policeman. Now he asks you for the lisence(Why? Could he not see what happened?). You know if you give him the lisence you will have to go and collect from the RTO(Possibilities are that you might have to go to the court of law). Now the policeman asks you for your vehical papers(WHY? how is breaking signal linked to the vehicle papers?) Then he will ask you for PUC. Then he will ask you for the Insurance papers(WHY? how linked?) - Its obvious that some of the papers you might just not be carrying, not because you dont want to but because if you keep it in the dicky of the bike they might just rot away(They indeed do!). And the he will shamelessly tell you, "its a very big crime that you have done breaking the signal", as if its more henious a crime than crushing some people under your land crusier while they were sleeping. At this time you are reminded of the salman case and you think, if the whole bloody system couls not break a hair of Salman and he bribed his way out of the shit why sould I be penalized. And so the first thought got planted in you! Now you are told to pay 1200 bucks for breaking the signal and all the other blah
RE:RE:RE:Evrybody is corrupt
by Anand Rao on Mar 25, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
....other blah which only the policeman knowns what is law and what is not. Remember the first statement, India is a poor country? Obviously you dont have 1200 bucks in your pocket. So, you are asked to keep your bike and get the money and collect the bike from the court. You know what's going to happen of your bike. and so you say "I'm ready to pay 50 bucks" and alas! you ARE a free brid to fly away(on your bike)
RE:RE:RE:Evrybody is corrupt
by Greywolf on Mar 25, 2008 11:03 PM Permalink
who says india is poor.. people have money to buy everything including peopls loyalties.. lol
RE:Evrybody is corrupt
by Srinivas on Mar 25, 2008 08:49 PM Permalink
It is the not the common man but the administration who is entirely responsible for it. Why??
yes it is only human to be corrupt.. search your soul. and you will find there is some liitle thing in you that leads to corruption.. uoi cant blame india.. in fact the non currupt nations a are not human
RE:It is only human
by Gopal Sharma on Mar 25, 2008 08:51 PM Permalink
Very true, human beings are a little bit corrupt by nature. Many people would not accept that but that indeed is a bitter truth. In the least corrupt nations, the same human beings stay but they don't engage in corruption because administration is strict there. The same people who spit on the roads and throw their waste on roads in India become well mannered in developed countries.
RE:It is only human
by Anand Rao on Mar 25, 2008 08:41 PM Permalink
WOA! What a point of view! They why not legalize it? And whay have the whole system of "LAW", commiting crime is also just human nature isnt it? Stop propagating gyan here and add some value to the debate.
RE:It is only human
by Greywolf on Mar 25, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
not prpogating gyan .. just introspecting for truth and facts.. no..... i am not a trassic hawaldar or an income tax assessing officer.. lol
RE:It is only human
by DV Nayak on Mar 25, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
if you think a bit, legalising certain corruption as "service fees" might actually help get work done. Because short of constitutional acceptance, it's de facto the law of the land. khao aur khane do!
RE:It is only human
by Anand Rao on Mar 25, 2008 09:04 PM Permalink
Why pay extra for the service which we are already paying for? Why not put the system in young hands who will strengthen the law system?
RE:It is only human
by Anand Rao on Mar 25, 2008 09:11 PM Permalink
"in fact the non currupt nations a are not human" pls dont mind, but your statement shows that you have a very cynical approach towards human nature! Why cant you accept that if one set of people CAN be un-corroupt then another set of people CAN BE, if they put in efforts and logical systems in place.
Sorry but your words suggest that human beings are losers by all degrees of measures!
RE:It is only human
by Greywolf on Mar 25, 2008 10:55 PM Permalink
is there any indian who is non corrupt?? even the prime minister accepts gifts.. lol .. me .. i take it as it comes.. if there is some idiot who wants to pay for me to shut up or do my duty which any way i would do . why not accept and please the man.. let him fill his ego that he managed to get things done wiyj cash..... which would have anyways been done without.. look at income tax refund for instance.. these are now streamlined and automatic, the refund goes to your bank by ecs.. and yet the c.a. makes people believe that there is a price to be paid if you want the return, so he blocks the refund and demands the money which he shares with the ito , or look at some driver breaking a red light.. if he has a genuine excuse the cop lets him go, but then he still puts a fifty rupee note in his licence and gives it to the cop.. ,, now please understand and accept india as it is....... it is our way of life..
Its an irony that US doesn't figure in top 10 corrupt nations, no wonder they control world the media and propaganda machine. Using bribery and coercive methods to entice poor 3rd world countries into "democracy" ?? Bribe them or bomb the hell out of them is their neocon agenda. What about the lobby groups in US (foreign,oil, pharma,israel,mexico,china,cheap labor lobby exploitation) - the primary bribing engine that buys all their congress and politicians and screws the middle class. After the recent bailout of Bear sterns (the highest state sponsored bribery of all times), no wonder transparency international fails to mention it. I know why, because the harbingers of "democracy" owns them. India is lesser of the evil when it comes to corruption in comparison to the US or Uk.
Talk about free market capitalism ! US is a neo-USSR socialistic society for the super wealthy.
RE:No mention of US ? Surprising
by ashish on Mar 25, 2008 08:50 PM Permalink
after all the hot air ,some one flashes a us visa to u and ull be fleeing india like u have ants in ur pants,hyppocrite
RE:No mention of US ? Surprising
by Infidel Blogger on Mar 25, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
May be for you- greedy scum.Very few pays heed to the US now a days as they are a lame dog. The party is over and the dollar is collapsing. Soon you acknowledge this the visa crap will e gone.
RE:No mention of US ? Surprising
by ashish on Mar 25, 2008 10:41 PM Permalink
lol go visit the visa lines ,they still full ,indians will always say india is the best but will be the first to flee to the states u litle hanuman
RE:RE:No mention of US ? Surprising
by ashish on Mar 25, 2008 10:48 PM Permalink
lol visa crap is gone u little s lut ,bet u have half ur family with their half broken english livin in the states after fleein india
RE:No mention of US ? Surprising
by Infidel Blogger on Mar 25, 2008 10:57 PM Permalink
Hey retard, don't call names "hanuman", when you are loosing an argument. One of your family member may be standing in the line at delhi or bombay outside us consulate, i don't give a damn.
RE:No mention of US ? Surprising
by ashish on Mar 25, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
lol well we already left tat rat hole years ago ,but i hear the lines are getting bigger ,parties over ah ,go get an umbrella some one might spit paan on ur head from a bus lol HANUMAN
Want to know why? Go to facminDOTnicDOTin. This website calls itself the website for consumers in India. The website is publisized on the TV channels and the bloody thing is incomplete. The links dont work. You can not place a complaint there. Thats what we are, for the Name Sake we have everything but Nothing works! And I can bet the website has been kept like that on purpose!
RE:wrong...i think this figure is also politically backed
by Sreenivas Desabhatla on Mar 25, 2008 09:12 PM Permalink
When the report is specific that India is 72 in the list and there are 71 most coruppted countries in the world who are you to declare that it is No. 1 in the list? Lot of statistics are taken into account before the report is prepared. Compared to US and UK corruption in India is negligible. The only thing is that our media exxagirates the issue 1000 folds here in India, where as in US and UK there is censorship on the media and they cannot speak freely lest they are afraid they will have to shelldown a fortune if they are sued. Pl try to understand. Sreenivas Desabhatla
RE:wrong...i think this figure is also politically backed
by manik on Mar 26, 2008 03:33 PM Permalink
you believe in the report...he does not believe in it...why is it difficult for you to accept ?
Why you say lot of statistics are taken into account ? Can you let me atleast 5 factors that were taken into account ?
if not No 1 ........... nobody can beat India......they are thorough bred professionals who have got degrees specialising in corruption and aslo specialised I believe in schools in corruption..........
Can we survive without polic, politician and judiciary?
by fun guy on Mar 25, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink | Hide replies
I found people charging police, politician, judiciary. can you imagine India with out them. India will be nothing without them. Can you sleep in the night if police is not there. Please stop blaming them. Actually they are for people. you see india got better score than before. one day india will be in top corruptionless country. Are they going to eat money anyway they are going to spend. they are responsible for peace and development of india. let them take whatever they want. Actually they wont take it.
RE:Can we survive without polic, politician and judiciary?
by Black on Mar 25, 2008 08:27 PM Permalink
India would be better off without them...........would have been better if the British ruled India........
RE:RE:Can we survive without polic, politician and judiciary?
by Anand Rao on Mar 25, 2008 08:30 PM Permalink
he he you ARE a "Funny Guy"! All the best, by your suggestions it will take 300 years for India to develop. 1 of murphies laws is "When left on their own, things tend to detiorate", and all you suggest is to keep things as they are dont take any action, dont change!
