Everyone who approaches these fraud companies make an informed decision. H1-B bodyshoppers have seen a business opportunity and they are just benefiting in current situation. No one forces these aspirants to apply thru these bodyshoppers.
On other hand, I agree that enire bodyshopping market in US is mostly fraud. People just change resume based on skills in demand. Everyone is forced to show last 5 years in US (even if s/he has landed in US day before); just clear the interview and then give fake references. That's the reality whether someone likes it or not.
RE:It is market economy!!!
by priyanka singh on Aug 12, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
You are 100% right. I am abt to complete my masters and I find very few jobs for entry levels. Infact every job wants experience so I know what I need to do to bag a job here in the US.
RE:It is market economy!!!
by on Aug 12, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
It is clear, Rediff guys who wrote this article do not have much idea on this issue.
These consulting companies, as Rediff pictures are not fraudulent. You can always find some problems in any system. Blaming the all the consultants is not right. These guys are definitely not exploiters compared to Infosys or TCS. All these big firms pay very less in US for their employees. Thats the reason, they jump out, once they are in US... to these... so called fraudulent consulting companies. Rediff should know the Truth of the industry before they publish
RE:It is market economy!!!
by Keerikkadan on Aug 12, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
the point is not whether tehy exploit the job seekers. point is that they cheat while finding jobs. Rediff and more sites should make this awareness
h1b was annd is the boon for any software professionals. h1b gave life to many people and helped them come about!. All the exploitation and so on is restricted to companies that are designed to do fraud as their business. But for most part many companies work with their US clients to provide experienced professionals and also pay the employee a reasonable salary according to demand vs. supply!. If you see that a professional with a FAKE experience is very much happy to get a job for $40000 PA and using that he leads his life and he gets a break and learns things as well.
So dont be a stupid and put some stupid moral yardstick without understanding what is at stake here.
For Indians it is very straight forward they get salary in dollars, for american companies it is that they get the job done (mostly temporary software project) without having maintain a huge employees and just with contractors and the companies are just enablers!. If you are smart enough you can easily find a great job and grow yourself professionally and personally!.
RE:H1B is a good thing!.
by Keerikkadan on Aug 12, 2007 08:29 AM Permalink
and deny h1 oppertunities to deserving candidates since there is a cap of 65000 and more applicants.
Being comfy for the liers and frauds and also the usa companies who hire them doenst mean its right
When it comes to working in US every person north or south is a fraudster for sure. Whether you are Andhraite, or Keralite, or Mumbaite, or a bihari only that Hyderabadis (AP people) are smarter in creating fake degrees or experiences and go better than other people for sure. It just makes them very smart and mobile and with right connections and other pretty much losers.
The other fact being South Indians definitely work in smart jobs by atleast 2:1 compared to north indians is a given fact!. If you see that you will never find a south indian taxi driver or a shop worker or a donut vendor (gujju speciality) for sure at all. Hardly south indians are doing such stop. I am not saying north indians aspire to be taxi drivers and so on, but it is just that the fundamental mindset because many north indian states are in much worse state that Southern states and the normal northindian is much different than a relatively prosperous south indian that's it!.
RE:Every person is a fraud!...
by Shadow on Aug 12, 2007 08:14 AM Permalink
h1b was annd is the boon for any software professionals. h1b gave life to many people and helped them come about!. All the exploitation and so on is restricted to companies that are designed to do fraud as their business. But for most part many companies work with their US clients to provide experienced professionals and also pay the employee a reasonable salary according to demand vs. supply!. If you see that a professional with a FAKE experience is very much happy to get a job for $40000 PA and using that he leads his life and he gets a break and learns things as well.
So dont be a stupid and put some stupid moral yardstick without understanding what is at stake here.
For Indians it is very straight forward they get salary in dollars, for american companies it is that they get the job done (mostly temporary software project) without having maintain a huge employees and just with contractors and the companies are just enablers!. If you are smart enough you can easily find a great job and grow yourself professionally and personally!.
RE:Every person is a fraud!...
by Keerikkadan on Aug 12, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
and deny h1 oppertunities to deserving candidates since there is a cap of 65000 and more applicants.
Being comfy for the liers and frauds and also the usa companies who hire them doenst mean its right
RE:Every person is a fraud!...
by ritesh sanghvi on Aug 12, 2007 08:42 AM Permalink
thats not entirely true. A survey shows that norht indian (including gujjus) earn more than 40% of the PhD and MBA earned by Indians in USA. Moreover a lot of gujjus are working as managers in american firms where they manage the workforce comprising of suoth indians amongst others....so doing "coolie" job does not reflect a "fundamentally higher mindset: and better aspiration.
The H1-B is misued to the core. The Desi Consulting companies bring in in-experienced software devlopers posing them having great expereince. They cheat both the US employers and H1-B visa holder. The guys in H1-B visa fake their resume and somehow manage to get a job. They are ready to work for a meager salary of $40,000/- Per annum. This creats lot of problems to the experienced professionals. The average salary for experience guys has come down a lot. US companies does not care for quality now, the managers just want to save money without looking into the ROI (Return on Investment). Many projects gets delayed or cancelled due to Desi software consulting companies. They misue the purpose of H1-B. THIS MUST STOP or will become a grave concern for the whole IT industry in the future.
RE:H1-B is a Curse to US professionals...
by Shadow on Aug 12, 2007 08:13 AM Permalink
h1b was annd is the boon for any software professionals. h1b gave life to many people and helped them come about!. All the exploitation and so on is restricted to companies that are designed to do fraud as their business. But for most part many companies work with their US clients to provide experienced professionals and also pay the employee a reasonable salary according to demand vs. supply!. If you see that a professional with a FAKE experience is very much happy to get a job for $40000 PA and using that he leads his life and he gets a break and learns things as well.
So dont be a stupid and put some stupid moral yardstick without understanding what is at stake here.
For Indians it is very straight forward they get salary in dollars, for american companies it is that they get the job done (mostly temporary software project) without having maintain a huge employees and just with contractors and the companies are just enablers!. If you are smart enough you can easily find a great job and grow yourself professionally and personally!.
RE:H1-B is a Curse to US professionals...
by Keerikkadan on Aug 12, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
and deny h1 oppertunities to deserving candidates since there is a cap of 65000 and more applicants.
Being comfy for the liers and frauds and also the usa companies who hire them doenst mean its right
I know of one case, where a desi professional cricketer was imported for 4 summer months on a H1 visa to play for one of the desi cricket teams playing league matches! If you have not guessed it by now, the cricketer posed as a software professional at the US consulate!
Ok, after reading this article, I am not sure why the author is sympathizing with Indian companies such as TCS, Infosys and so on. These companies have destroyed the ability of many Indians who are already in the US and pursuing their Masters or Bachelors in obtaining an H1-B visa. The way these companies apply for H1-B and L1 visas and exploit their own employees by paying them less is well known all over the industry.
Even when these companies want to hire a Indian consultant only who is on a H1-B, they are at the max willing to pay between $35 to 45/hr and they want somebody with 5-6 years experience. Who in their right mind with that level of experience would be willing to work for that rate? So really serves them right that they get people with fake experience who are probably trying to get a break.
For all you people going on about South Indians and North Indians and who is the worst among faking, note that I have come across Indian Consulting firms in the US that are owned by Indians from all regions who openly exploit people on H1-B's and encourage fraudulent experience on the candidates resumes.
Now that said, does everyone in this discussion board think that if you were working for an American company full time on H1-B visa, you would not be exploited? I bet there would be more than 95% people who would say that they have been overlooked on pay raises and promotions simply because of their H1-B status.
RE:Not sure why the author is sympathizing with Indian companies
by Peter Parker on Aug 12, 2007 04:56 AM Permalink
True. All companies exploit H1-B employees. Thats why i prefer an approach in the Hi-Tech industry where H1-B visa's are granted only after completing MS from an US university and then passing a standardized examination (like the medical exam's). Those that clear (need 70% to pass) should be granted visa's that are independent of corporation. The GC process would then be simply dependent on clearing the security check, health check, moral check and be a question of demand v/s supply. That way people who have the H1-B do not need to take sub-standard wages that are currently prevailing in the industry. All these issues of exploitation would be gone in a heartbeat.
RE:RE:Not sure why the author is sympathizing with Indian companies
by karan on Aug 12, 2007 08:01 AM Permalink
I have seen that desi students who have done MS from US universities are max involved in fraud stuff.. they pass out from college and get H1b from a desi consultant in US>..they pose themselves as 5 yrs exp(total false) and get a job..they keep on hiding from work in office...I think US can put a minimum exp and qualification level or some technology interview. Also there need to be a strict process to determine fraud desi consultants...99% of them are fraud for sure.
RE:Not sure why the author is sympathizing with Indian companies
by on Aug 12, 2007 05:27 AM Permalink
That may be a good solution to the problem. This way, no more consulting firms or these Indian companies who think too much of themselves and no more exploitation by these American firms.
RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by Keerikkadan on Aug 12, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
im a southie and anyone can see the max fraudsters in IT are from andhra. punjabi stuff is like more in gas stations and cabs
Almost 50% or more consultancies are andhra ones. I gave 50 to be conservative bcoz thats well below a realistic estimate.
RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by inder grewal on Aug 12, 2007 06:36 PM Permalink
Dude, One fact for H1 visa holders. From north only cream comes out, just few who are really different and deserve something. From South, It doesn't matter if your one of colleages,brother, far of relative is at senior level, you'll get b1 or h1. 70% of these people are only because people are telugu or tamil speaking, but these people don't deserve even a receptionist job. Let me know you need more facts.I'm in US and a punjabi.
RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by on Aug 12, 2007 05:08 AM Permalink
buddy, don't think that you are too fair. You are considered black too...
RE:RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by on Aug 12, 2007 05:13 AM Permalink
buddy, many of the people who are caught in immigration raids happen to be North Indians.......
RE:RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by Peter Parker on Aug 12, 2007 04:23 AM Permalink
Abhey oye mishra tu kabse computer pe kam karne lagan? Bihar mein computer kahan se aya???
RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by prem Bhardwaj on Aug 12, 2007 08:09 AM Permalink
Gunjan is right,
Most of the fraudsters are from Andhra, they have spoiled the reputation of even decent south Indians from Tamil Nadu, who are hard working & sincere. You have hundreds of one room shops in hyderabad offering degrees & diplomas from Osmania for Rs 2000. Also they provide fake experiance certificates in any of the IT areas for another 2000. I think US govt & cos should screen Andhra applicants seperatly & should blacklist all the fraudsters.
RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by suresh on Aug 12, 2007 04:30 AM Permalink
It looks like u came from jungle or with cowboy experience. And u r language proves that. I think most of taxi drivers I saw in Toronto and New York are from north. I don%u2019t know how they reached to here. Mind u r language before posting. It look like u came with cowboy experience to New Jersey..
RE:Number 1 fraudsters are from N India..
by prem Bhardwaj on Aug 12, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
Truth hurts & it seem to hurt more when the truth is about oneself. Looking at your writings it seems ur one such fraudster who misused the system to gain entry to US. Its people like u who have brought a bad name for Indian IT professional & specially those from South, unfortunately the IT dream was started by hard working Tamilians & Kannadagas , but it was hijacked , misused & brought to disrepute by thousends of People like you who get into US with false degrees & experiance certificates , then bring in more of their folks to propagate this vicious scam , you can very well understand the reason for 5 guys living in same flat of one bedroom, they all are insecure about their future bcoz of their fake degrees & certificates & do not want to spend much in order to save for the days they will be out of work when their lies are caught by their employers. Therefore i would like to appeal to all Indians to stop supporting this fraud, as the earnings in this field is based on credibility & it does not take long for Clients to smell rat & discredit a person, compnay, community & country & once the reputation is distroyed we all Indians will miss te bus & kill the proverbial goose who laid a golden egg.
It is very much known that a lot of guys from Andhra come to US on fake exprerience, they work in some area but apply for H1 with computer skills. Nothing new about it. Thats why Chennai US consulate has the highest number of Visa rejection and most of these rejections are related to the guys from Andhra. At the same time I've seen visa consultant sending ppl who aspire to be in US for better future. One should blame the individual who approaches these kind of middle man like consultant who basically are kind of agents and dont have any company backing their candidate in the US for Job. But when you fake, you can't hide it from the world. You might get the Visa but getting a job would be a nightmare.
I'm not trying to be offend here any one. If anyone feel hurt, my apologies to him.
RE:Facts
by on Aug 12, 2007 03:53 AM Permalink
If you are really right about Andhra people....you should see hell lot of Andhra People in U.S.A....But, I see hell lot of people from all over the world....How do you think they came here...and also, I know so many people from North coming to these consulting companies for GCs...please google out or search in Immigration forms...you will see all sorts of desperate people from North India trying to get VISA or GC. So, don't make such generalized statements....BTW, I think Andhra, Tamil and Kannada people are the smartest people...I mean with brain and money..
RE:Facts
by suresh on Aug 12, 2007 04:19 AM Permalink
Andhra produce more number of graduates in south India. Now a days Andhra students get more than 20 percentage IIT seats. When they caught IIT paper leak in Bihar, Andhra got 25 percentage IIT seats. Please check the reality.
The most fraud comes from north part of India, because you will find all the taxi drivers and low level jobs have been doing by them in USA and Canada by reaching fraud.
If Canada starts investigation on their immigrants now, half of the people who came with family immigration category can be found that they came with fraud relation.
I surprised by seeing the news in local channel that one north Indian lady was bringing girls to USA by walking from Mexico.
I don%u2019t know why rediff and CNBC is worrying about jobs in USA. If H1B person couldn%u2019t find a job in USA, then he will come back.
News media should concentrate on human trafficking from India. There are lot of Indian women who are getting raped in Gulf. There are lots of problems in India such as customer services, traffic, basic needs, child education, and corruption.
And they should compare USA infrastructure & India infrastructure. For example, I have never seen a Bengal paper praising other than Kolkata city. They never compare with other citys.
Most of south Indians come to USA to do MS and not on H1B. I never saw any taxi drivers from South in New York or Toronto.
RE:Check facts
by amit pandey on Aug 12, 2007 02:40 AM Permalink
you are living in fools paradise,99 percent of this fake consultancy are run by south indians. south indians are cheat to create fake marksheets, fake financial statements . thats why chennai consultate has highest rejection in visa.
RE:Check facts
by suresh on Aug 12, 2007 03:58 AM Permalink
No way man. The first state in India which has the database and US consulate can check that database of Andhra students. Never think Andhra is like Bihar or UP. All Andhra student list available to US consulate from 2001. It is not possible to fake Mark list. The issue we are talking here is fake companies. This issue is about consultant companies that are faking for H1B. That may be 1 in 1000, because no job is permanent in USA and u cannot survive without skill in USA. Because H1B job is not Railway clerk job.
