Dr. Ramadas exhibits a real sense of backwardness. He and his ilk do not seem to learn from the fast moving developments in the country and the world. Their policies and pronouncements are hihgly narrow-minded and selfish. Probably, they do realize that they are not capable of performing in a competitive environment; they need to keep their followers uninformed and unexposed to new opportunities. The public needs to be educated and informed of the country's changing economy and the emergung opportunities.
Why dont you do the same to Saravana Bhavan. They are opeing everywhere and it is not affecting the small hotel owners? And so keep expanding this logic to all the big business right now and protest with the same logig idiot.
What do you think Only you and your stupid son can start and own any business?
RE:Why not this?
by Karthik Kumar on Aug 24, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Quote from Ramdoss --- We have enough traders who compete with each other. We don't need Reliance. In the beginning they will pay the farmer more and sell at a loss.
Later, when the local retailers close shop they will reduce their rate of purchase and increase the sales price. There will be no one to oppose them.
We have enough small political parties, why not close parties with more than 10 MLAs including the PMK? If Reliance pays the required cut to Ramadoss and Anbumani, they will tuck their tails like street dogs and keep quiet. For a party which began its journey by cutting trees, creating caste wars and disturbing normal life and is totally corrupt, Ramadoss pleading the cause of small traders is like devil quoting the scriptures. Let them contest alone in any election, they will not win even a single seat if votes are split. Even with support of DMK, they lost the Tindivanam seat last year, that is their home town from where they commit all these atrocities.
RE:RE:Why not this?
by Tim on Aug 25, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
This is how the market economy works. Take any business for that matter. One company sells a good for x price and then comes a competitor and sells for less and tries to give better quality. So if you dont want that to happen then there should be only one company for everything in the country and they should all be run by the government.
Probably if you own a business however small it may be then you may have to shut down as there will always people who do the same business as you do and could not compete with you.
So are U willing to close your business the same way you are asking them to do.
Tomorrow bigger company will come and compete with Reliance. This is how it works.
If not then you are talking the same dirty Communism which will not survive anywhere.
RE:RE:Why not this?
by Tim on Aug 25, 2007 01:15 AM Permalink
Does it also mean that I cannot become the same small trader as well, as there are enough small traders competing against each other.
RE:Why not this?
by Tim on Aug 25, 2007 12:35 AM Permalink
Exactly. Also we want reliance to expand their oil drilling and find out more oil so that our country can be self reliant instead of depending on Foreign oil. Why dont other people compete there. Probably they dont have the muscle or none of their family members own someting like that.
Asl long as they take business where they dont have interest then it is ok. But if you extend the same logic to the businesses that these guys operate then it is not right.
If you talk one logic then you should extend the same logic to every business, cannot then go and qualify and quantify the logic.
RE:RE:Why not this?
by Suhasini Gopi on Aug 25, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
Raman - I guess you need to do your maths right. By cutting the mandi, the middlemen (Two Layers) and the wholesaler off - Reliance and their ilk can still pay higher for the farmers' produce. This will make the farmers happy - remember agriculture gives 25% of Indian Economy and sustains 65% of Indian Employees (organized and unorganized sectors put together).
Once they buy at a lower rate (relative to current purchase rates), they can give to their consumers (like you and me) at a rate lower than current rates. Which means our vegetable and fruits cost can go down, which is an important component in our inflation concern.
What do you want - some unseen middle man live off the blood of the farmer or the farmer and you live with more disposable cash for investments/savings?
Use your own intellect and don't parrot a headless chicken's voice - he cries for votes so he has to posture. You do not need to...
RE:Why not this?
by Tim on Aug 25, 2007 01:13 AM Permalink
One more example. Let us say you go to purchace cloths for Diwali. You go to a store, check the quality, price and the designs and if you don;t like if the you go to another store and check it up.
Probably the first store you went could not get a good quality product or any other reason. That does not mean that the better store where you purchased should be shut down as he is taking the business of the first store.
One more example.
I lived in a town where there were no automobile repair shop for about 5 kilometers. There used to be a guy who used to sit in the road and earn his money by doing small things like fixing flat tires etc.
Then suddenly one day someone saw this and opened a small automobile repair shop. So this guy who was sitting on the road has to go to another place as he could not compete with the shop opened.
So does it mean that we should not have allowed the automobile repair shop guy to open his shop as he ruined the guy sitting on the road?
Everything works like that. Now this guy went to another part of town where there are no shops. Now all of a sudden the town became a big developing city and then a lot of shops came, more choices to the customer, etc.
So there is nothing like Enough competition. It is relative and we cannot just blindly go about saying this loose words.
RE:Why not this?
by Malliga Gurumoorthy on Aug 25, 2007 06:00 AM Permalink
You purchase good quality product today but this will wipe out the livelihoods of millions of people across the country. Tomorrow, we will have Reliance purchasing acres and acres of land in India, and will employ all the machines to run it, thereby spoiling the livelihood of the farmers as well as the small scale retailers.
The government ought to help the farmers come out with more quality products, introduce modern methods there. That will save the family cultivating the goods. But writing off everything to reliance will only emphasize the maxim "Rich gets richer, Poor gets poorer."
RE:RE:Why not this?
by Tim on Aug 25, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
So will you stop buying the good stuff now. May be you are the one who only wears Khadhi products made only in India. Or may be you are just writing this and dont follow just like the communists and this joker?
Man you still keep taking like all these stupid Communists. Some time back these stupid guys said if you bring in Computer then all the jobs will be taken away. Illiterate morons. Look what happened. All the jobs and the Foreign exchanges the the economic boom is happening because of the Computers.
It has resulted in millions and millions of jobs. Not the same will hold good. By your own words Reliance will buy acres and acres of land and put in a lot of machineries to run the plant. You think Mukesh or Anil is going to do it personally.
Yes there will be some changes in the way we do things and then in a longer run it will benifit everyone.
Lets be really clear. Reliance is a unethical company within fraudulent business practices. Walmart the corporate giant they have more labour union cases against them than the items they have for sale. Check out videos of Walmart corporate practises under google videos, you guys would get a better insight into the company.
Do all guys support these companies entry to Tamil Nadu. Forget what Ramdoss says.
RE:TN does not want unethical companies (read Reliance & Walmart)
by Eagle on Aug 25, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
Mr Karthik, Ask your USA based Tamilians, why are they visiting WALMART???? frequently
RE:TN does not want unethical companies (read Reliance & Walmart)
by Gowri Shankar on Aug 25, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
Karthik, you seem to have a 1960s mentality. Can you give us all one example where the Giant Company has really screwed us all up?
Lets take coke and pepsi for example. They came and closed down or bought every one else. But when they increased their price they went into a loss.
As long as consumers are conscious and smart every company will bend down.
We don't have to worry about market domination. Whenever there is an occurance of people suffering, the govt. can act then.
RE:TN does not want unethical companies (read Reliance & Walmart)
by SAAZSAKRIKAR on Aug 25, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
Urm u havent been reading abt the toxins in Pepsi and Coke, it seems. besides, theydestroyed all the groundwater in the villagees which have theeirr factories, leaving none for the farms. so yes, pepsi andd coke are ginat companies continuously screwing us all.
RE:RE:TN does not want unethical companies (read Reliance & Walmart)
by Gowri Shankar on Aug 25, 2007 01:59 AM Permalink
Mr. Eagle,
I would appreciate if you abstain from bringing regional bullshit into this forum. As i recall UP has also banned Reliance Fresh. So nothing wrong with Tamils. Everywhere the politicians are the same.
RE:TN does not want unethical companies (read Reliance & Walmart)
by Tim on Aug 24, 2007 11:27 PM Permalink
So suddenly a very ethical person starts talking about ethics. Just sit in a room and think about how many unethical things that you have done from your birth and then blame others.
Don't brush things like bribing to get your driving license and things like that common practice in the country. Count them as unethical. Do not draw a line anywhere when you talk ethics. Let us see and probably everyone who is crying foul will shut up.
RE:TN does not want unethical companies (read Reliance & Walmart)
by Karthik Kumar on Aug 24, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
I think this forum is not a place for personal attacks. Any ways I strongly feel these corporates by hook and crook will try to destroy the competition which I don't want to see in TN.
I am not against subshiksha setting shops with in TN. I just donot want predatory companies like Reliance or Walmart in this sector. atleast with in TN.
it has been a tradition in our country to see scam in everything the politicians do. same in this case. i dont know if the politicians are looking for their own pocket here, but its also true that these marketing giants may cause deep trouble for small bussiness owners. thats what is happening here in USA even, nobody wants to see walmart now a days.. and its pretty obvious that such a problem will arise in India also if these big names are allowed to enter the market and small bussineses have to compete and loose their bread n butter in the process. be pratical guys..
India needs to have a guarded approach for these retail chains. In the US wherever Wal-Mart opens a new store, all the surrounding neighbourhood mom-pop stores have to close and go. US could sustain this revolution owing to its huge urban population, India can\'t. 70 plus % of india population lives in rural/semi urban areas. running small kirana stores is the source of income for one out of 10 families there. You could imagine the widespread unemployment which we\'d have to deal with. Not only small store, Reliance will wipe out shoe cobblers, small mechanic, toy stores, gift shops. --- everything --. This wont stop there only, Reliance is known for exploiting employees like walmart.
RE:Reliance will screw India like what Walmart did to the US
by Gowri Shankar on Aug 25, 2007 02:09 AM Permalink
All these people are still not educated and 70% of the people are all not shop owners. we have 70% of farmers. If there is something that would benefit them, then we should do it.
If the govt. is really concerned then why don't it make a deal out of reliance. And make reliance build new schools and hospitals in rural areas or make reliance commit to buy the vegetables and stuff from local area.
RE:Reliance will screw India like what Walmart did to the US
by Karthik Kumar on Aug 24, 2007 11:25 PM Permalink
I have seen this happen in US don't replicate this situation in India.
Karat, Mayawati, Ramdoss taking our country backward. They need to understand the market forces and change their approach in tune with that. My market forces does not include vote-bank strtegy!!
RE:Reliance Fresh under fire
by Tim on Aug 24, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
What do you expect a backward mided goondas and looters and murderers to do.
Think forward? A day will come when these murderers will be even ashamed to open their mouth. Just like the communists shut their F(*K up in Russia.
Then they will all tie up with Reliance and Tata's and start their own franchises in TamilNadu. I think this is the reason that he is protesting. May be he tried to get some franchise business from Reliance and Reliance would have told him to fly a kite.
When there is a protest from this goonda then you should immediately put 2 and 2 together. That's the only reason and nothing else.
RE:tamilnadu is next Bihar, UP and WB
by Karthik Kumar on Aug 24, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
Ramdoss is ok with Subshiksha a TN guy setting up super markets but averse to Reliance which he considers an outsider setting up a retail chain in a big way. Why do you think this will take TN backwards. This will actually make more money flow with TN and less out of state.
