IIMs should take ppl if they have minimum 1 or 2 yrs of exp in industry so that they are exposed to corporate world. If we check out schools in other parts of globe where MBA admission is given only if they have min. experience.
It does not matter,just because one is from a top business school,doe not mean he(or she)can do business.While there some brilliant exceptions(they would have succeeded anyway without going to a top B school)most of them are jokers who become useless consultants and take people for a ride.Do not lsten to these paper pushers,take lessons from people who have gone through the grind,Dhirubhai,OP Jindal,Bill Gates,Warren Buffet(a great soul),Robert Kiyasaki etc.Do not be awed by these pseudoes,I say this because had the guts to revolt against my useless B school boss and my company listened because I did record business year after year and this guy reports to me but he is useless(as I have simple guys with B.Com degree who do better business) and I am soon going to sack him
RE:Who cares about business schools
by Sam on Sep 12, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
Mr. Muthuswami.... I feel very honestly that you cannot crack into top 120 candidates who make it to IIM.. If u think u have it in you crack into the top 120 and say I am the best.. otherwise please shut up and dun talk about IIm graduates
RE:RE:Who cares about business schools
by Anand Iyer on Sep 12, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
Cracking an exam and gettin into IIMs doesnt make u gr8 at all. Corporate world is not an entrance exam.
RE:RE:RE:Who cares about business schools
by on Sep 12, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
so, what does....writing useless messages on Rediff from your office computer....???
RE:Who cares about business schools
by V S on Sep 12, 2007 12:00 PM Permalink
Crackign IIM exam means nothing..it's just a label. I feel a techie doing an MBA from IIT is superior to a generalist from IIM.
RE:Who cares about business schools
by pramod dubey on Sep 12, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
please explain what do u mean by ''international linkages'' and ''industry interface'' in the article? is the quality of the ''linkages'' and ''interface'' taken into account or just the quantity makes those numbers in ur survey?
RE:Who cares about business schools
by Muthuswami on Sep 12, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
You shut up,you cannot say that,you fool.I am a Phd in Management from MIT,USA.I do not care about IIMs.
RE:RE:Who cares about business schools
by Sam on Sep 12, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
Muthu the Gr8... Phd from MIT USA.... U seem to know everything... I sincerely wish u good luck and am so happy that I have done just B Com and feel more happy that I have not studied Phd like u did... caz it has not taken u anywhere either in ur thoughts or writing skills ... kudos to ur faculty too... I pity ur subordinates
RE:Who cares about business schools
by on Sep 12, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
First, learn that you give a space after commas and periods, you, Mr Muthuswami 'PhD in Management from MIT USA'.
RE:Who cares about business schools
by on Sep 12, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
that still doesn't change the fact that you did not have it in you to get into IIMs - such spite can only stem from sour grapes syndrome.
RE:RE:Who cares about business schools
by Muthuswami on Sep 12, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Again your wrong you mudhead.It is not sour grapes for me at all,why do you assume I did not crack the IIMs.I very much qualified for IIMC but I opted for integrated Phd in MIT which is agreater institution than IIM.HOWEVER THAT IS NOT THE POINT.THE POINT IS ,TO SUCCEED IN BUSINESS YOU DO NOT NEED AN MBA,IN FACT YOU DO NOT EVEN NEED A DEGREE,YOU CAN MAKE IT BIG WITHOUT THESE,YOUR HAVE INSTANCESWORLDWIDE,DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU MORON
RE:Who cares about business schools
by kavuri shastry on Sep 12, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
sam, what muthuswami said is right,(otherwise please shut up and dun talk about IIm graduates) There is no need to say these words,from your end,few people come out of these institutions in such a vast country, so many graduates or post graduates like me are successful , so don't ,make such useless coments
RE:MBA's without work experience are jokers
by kasak on Sep 12, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Dont know about our country schools ratings but in international ratings IIM-A will never make into top 50 Cos of its nill experienced fellows.
RE:MBA's without work experience are jokers
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 12, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
Not having too many people with experience is IIMs strength - it takes people based on IQ , achievement orientation and communication skills and moulds them to be ready for industry. Experienced folks come with a lot of baggage of past and are typically not as bright because they would have tried for IIMs several times to get in.
This is one reason IIMs are rated highly globally.
RE:MBA's without work experience are jokers
by jai telangana on Sep 12, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
yes i too thought its sheer waste of time applying for CAT with severe competition from freshers.They dont have minimum knowledge of managament but they keep on mugging the books day and night.
Dear Friends, Please be aware that these surveys are actually misleading many students and their parents to shell out huge sums of money for no good return. There are actually many prestigious institutions of higher learning (private and public) in our country that dont even participate in such ratings and I am sure that the day they participate in these ratings they will leave some of the top rated institutions behind. Speak to Alumnus of some good colleges and Recruiters of some big companies before making a decision as to what is good for you. Don't go by what others say...network, talk and mke your own informed decision.
RE:These Surveys are quite misleading
by sunil kumar mandal on Sep 12, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
well said, i am also magt graduate i can realise you are some sort right.
RE:These Surveys are quite misleading
by sourav kundu on Sep 15, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
I understand sam, that paying to get into the IIMs and XLs of the world is a different story. but there are instts like the great IIPM that figure in the list who claim to be supoerior to IIMs and manage to creep into these surveys. By the way ISB and TISS do not even participate in such surveys. I am a Human Resource Manager working for IBM India Pvt Ltd for the past 3 years. My experience has been different from yours. IIM and XLs are diff story
RE:These Surveys are quite misleading
by Sam on Sep 12, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
Your message has no base Mr..... Are you saying India has Management institutes better than IIM... Please name a few if you can.... Also have you ever done costing for management education... My friend you have no idea about Management education and hence please do not say anything without having concrete knowledge about the subject. To all Parents: If you son/daughter get admission in IIM's or IMT or ISB or MN Jain or XLRI or SCHMS, plz ensure that he/she joins in that college... :-)
RE:These Surveys are quite misleading
by Pratap Bhanja on Sep 12, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
it seems you are being paid by IIMs to blow the trumpet on their behalf. Try to accept the truth. Having an IIM degree does not mean the passed out grad is extremely brilliant, others are fools. Do not say that.
I would like to express my sincere disgust at rankings year on year which ultimately serve no purpose except to lure gullible victims into the trap of these ratings. ( Just because it happens in the US does not make it a more valid reason). Institutions are not built by magazines or media or websites. STOP THIS EXCERCISE FOR HEAVENS SAKE. The credibility of media houses and individuals as well as the processes doing these ratings are largely suspect.And so that everyone gets a piece in the pie there are ratings like very best , university, sectoral, government.( Huh is the university not of the government). I salute the Indian students and corporate for not falling a victim to these ratings. Tomorrow you cannot tarnish a St. Stephens or an IIT ( any one ) and say its not the best or not include SP Jain and FMS,Delhi amongst the best and have people believe you. Please stop treating institutes built with centuries of lineage as rankings on TVS Sargema or Star Ki Khoj.
Indian B schools are reduced to employment exchanges.They are name sake schools .Instead of teaching good management practices and doing orogonal research they are only run on tall claims of huge pay packets. Is not this mockery.All b schools in india including IIMs put together did not produce even 10 papers worth use. While IIM A is busy aopi9ng harvard and attaching itself to the institute , ISB hyderabad is busy making B school a hi fashion shop. It is disgusting.Companies should explore lesser known but better run schools and stop supporting this hype.It is all nonsensical and stupod.
Many magazines bring out these sort of surveys and all these issues contain advertisements from management insitutes( magazines make money). Moreover, rating is different in differnet magazines. It is all marketing gimmicks.
RE:Is ICFAI's MBA courses are AICTE and UGC approved?
by Amit Verma on Sep 12, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
To answer your question, here is the answer from its ex student. NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But it works as a very good placement agency. Spending Five Laks you can get a Job and a MBA certificate (Not authenticated by any of the govt agencies so not valid for govt organizations)
This institute is a shear example of reaping the benefit to boomin economy/job market.
RE:RE:Is ICFAI's MBA courses are AICTE and UGC approved?
by Madhu Dua on Sep 12, 2007 09:27 AM Permalink
ISB does not as a policy participate in these kind of surveys.
I think govt is wasting money on IIM's . The end result is ultimately brain drain. In desire of making high money IIM guys are moving out of the country. Like MBBS it should be made mandatory for all IIM/IIT guys to serve for the nation for atleast 3 years.
By making lacs and crores of rupees in which direction are they moving????
RE:B school surveys
by Raman D J on Sep 11, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
IIM graduates are good communicators and can't sell a penny. And they justify it in the name of strategy.
Actually, most important positions in private sectors are occupied by IIM graduate and they for a mafia and help their alumni. Otherwise they are good in report making and presentations only.
RE:B school surveys
by Harshala Garje on Sep 12, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
why do u think students appearing for UPSC exams are not going for IITs very esaily they can get into IIts, being an NDA graduate getting not even 3 lac per annum is the state of officers today, but the man in uniform is there not to wealthy but coz there is richness and service to nation. Why do IIt n IIM guys not have similar patriotism.
