- I think there was no racism involved - Just look at symonds with his thick lips coated with white cream and then refer any calender or our mythology films: There is a stark and striking resemblance to the vanara sena. - As usual the non-racist-universe-loving-george-bush brothers are finding Weapons of Mass Destruction where none exists
RE:Racism?
by ashish on Oct 18, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
yes and sreesanth looks like hanuman with a funny accent lol and dont forget indian and paki pm lickin bushs backs side
RE:Racism?
by ashish on Oct 18, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
yup on u right but sometimes u have to fight fire with fire just like the indians said pre future cup but got trashed lol
i dont care how much the indians over here shout that the aussies have been asking for this. im not going to go the tit for tat route. the aussies might or might not hav been racist..thats besides the point. it doesnt mean that we indians auomatically act in an offensive manner. We are responsible for our actions and not those of others. so no point in pointing fingers rather we should take responsibility and not let it happen again. cricket is dear to us so we should respect the game and the players. be it australians or pakistanis or west indians.
chris im with u mate im indian but i tottaly support the aussies ,indians are a bunch of losers who cant stand aussie supremacy ,indians are the worse racial beings they call each other brahmin nepali etc etc and then they talk of aussies ,and the aussies have trashed em when they believed they were champs so its hurtin em more now
I think PONTING and his MEN are behaving like a CRY BABY. If they dont get any topic they start murmmering all sort of shit!!!! They just have the habit of using their mouth too much......"Ummmm BooHooo mama, people are calling me monkey when I get to the ground!!!"...please grow up and dont cry.
RE:Cry Baby!!!!
by kapil nautiyal on Oct 18, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
well its ok to do all this...But we should also not cry when aussies start doing it in their country..we have to accept it...
I think Indians also have the right to be aggressive. If people like Ponting, Symonds and Lee cant shut their mouth up then why should Shreesanth, Uthappa and Harbhajan shut their mouth. Australians r crying because they are getting their own medicine. Keep it going India.
RE:Be Aggressive
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
No-one has a problem with Sreesanth, Uthappa and Harbhajan sledging.
People have a problem when Sreesanth throws the stumps down on a dead ball and then argues the point with the umpire like a clown until his captain has to pull him into line.
Sledging, no-one has a problem with, retardecy however is different.
RE:Be Aggressive
by paresh sharma on Oct 18, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
At least he the only one retarded in our team.....but the whole australian team is retarded.....specially the australian captain......."MAMA they are calling one of my men a Monkey....Bla Bla Bla....".
RE:Be Aggressive
by True Indian on Oct 18, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
Yes, Sreesanth goign overboard was not correct. It was just that he got carried away. But let me ask you one thing, when was the last time u saw Aussies talking so much about the oppositions behaviours on and off the field?? Doesnt it look like they were rattled to see the Indians doing this as they have never done it b4...
RE:Be Aggressive
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
No I don't think they look rattled. I think it's primarily being pushed by the media in Australia because news of Australia winning another one day series just doesn't sell papers, and being pushed in India because of the attention it will receive from the patriotic colonial hating backlash narrow minded crew which litters this board and the country.
They are talking about it because they are being asked about it because it is selling. The Indian media hounded the Australian team for opinions on the Indian players, team, captaincy and T20 win for the purpose of catching one making a frustrated comment. The racism incident has played into their hands.
I don't think it will rattle the Australian's on the field, quite the opposite, they live for this stuff.
RE:Be Aggressive
by True Indian on Oct 18, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
Agreed on the field it will not affect them. They are a better team than the Indians. But their off the field acts in press conferences are hard to digest. Never seen the earlier captains Steve Waugh or Mark Taylor give so much attention to the opposition behaviour. Playing mind games is one thing which I feel the Aussies are the masters but this does not seem rite to me. You talking about the marketing and selling doesnt go well here. The Aussies have alwys been bad losers no doubt abut it. Their talking about the Indians now only shows how much the T20 loss meant to them. I am sure we will not see this in Aus when the Indians travel there bcoz of their win here. And u guys talk to spirit of the game, just Hypocrites.
RE:Be Aggressive
by ashish on Oct 18, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
he must be with the aussies celebratin at the taj the trashin they handed out to india ,nothin wrong with that ravi
RE:Be Aggressive
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 03:13 PM Permalink
loincloth I said, its like rags, like the thing the guy out of the jungle book wears. Atleast that's how I understand it, I'm not 100% sure and didn't check it.
RE:RE:Be Aggressive
by ashish on Oct 18, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
hahha ravi u talkin like indians have great accents ,u shudnt be the one talkin cause milions stand outside the oz embassy to migrate there while no one stands outside any indian embassies to migrate to india and besides aussies trashed the so called world champs lol
RE:RE:Be Aggressive
by ravi.k on Oct 18, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
abe ashish...the ausie a.ss licker..what's hurting you so much?? looks like you have an ausie mother and an Indian father who abused her all night ??
I'd like to ask a question. Why do Indian's burn stuff? I don't understand.
If Ponting gets out a typical Australian reaction is 'oh damn'. Then life carries on.
If Tendulkar gets out, the typical Indian reaction is to take to the streets and burn shit. Why? How is that at all an appropriate reaction? Hell how is it a reaction at all? Where's the sense in it?
Australia lose - damn. India lose -Burn shit and riot. Why?
Is it something to do with how you all burnt women if their husbands died? Like a carried on tradition?
And what's with the effigys? A scarecrow with a picture of Tendulkar's face on it is not.... well I dunno, no idea. And if you're gonna burn effigies of him atleast go through the trouble of getting some more straw and making it as fat as him. If you're gonna do something do it right hey?
RE:While I'm here...
by Pole Star on Oct 18, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
Hey Chris, I was there in the stadium and booed Symond a lot. You remember in the wadodara onedayer Symonds told that he was charged up by crowd booing and scored a century. Actually we were booing him to charge him up so that we can get the best out of him. But he really disappointed.. Anyway we will try again in the 20-20 on saturday to charge him up I hope we will be able to get the best out of him this time.
RE:While I'm here...
by ByTheWay on Oct 18, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
Hey Murthy,Star , Why are you wasting time by replying to some Sht postings. this person[chris] doesnt want to understand when someone tries to explain things. its not our prblm if chris is not educated and doesnt have the common sense to understand things as it is. he/she will continue putting some posts with the same matter... leave it.its a gone case.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by B Ramamurthy on Oct 18, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
You are absolutely right... This guy chris seems to be unmatured who doesnot want to look into their faults, just blame others... This shows Australians maturity... Impressed....
RE:RE:RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
I have no problems admitting Australian's faults, I however do not believe sledging is one of them. I don't believe they have at any point in this series gone too far.
RE:While I'm here...
by Pole Star on Oct 18, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
It seems u r asking seriously so I will tell. If you try to find anyone in this forum if he/she was involved in such an act of effigy buring you wont find even one. In india everything that happens on streets are politician's inspired. And with 1 billion people you are bound to find some doing odd things, and from there the media takes it on for obvious reasons
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by B Ramamurthy on Oct 18, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
Mr.Chris, In India people are very much attached to cricket, its just like a religion. I dont think so the height of respect, glory ,money what our Indians provide the Indian team .. the australian cricket team would have never got it from australians. It all depends on how much you are attached to a thing, it may be sports or anything... Iam really surprised you are just making comments on Inidans... hello..... what do you have to say about Cricketer Symonds, he has abused Indians in writing and also he was the one who initiated the fight. So dont you think Australian cricketers are uncultured people.. Well in that case Indians are far better than them... Since Symond abused Indians hence we reacted in that way.. well it is as per Newtons Third law - For Every Action there is an Equal and Oppposite Reaction.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by terence hollow on Oct 18, 2007 02:27 PM Permalink
Everyone ought to grow up. Cricket is a game, not a religion. It should be played in good spirit and not a viewed as a vehicle for people to adopt a herd mentality and act in less than a generous manner.
RE:While I'm here...
by B Ramamurthy on Oct 18, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
Well said terence "It should be played in good spirit" Ask your Symond to keep it in mind before abusing Indians. Ask him to behave properly when he is on field, he should behave like a professional circketer not like a fool...
RE:While I'm here...
by terence hollow on Oct 18, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Don't jump to conclusions my friend. I live in India and have done for twenty five years. You are judging again. I barrack for India, but I believe in fair play.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by B Ramamurthy on Oct 18, 2007 02:34 PM Permalink
Well chris, Family you bieng passionate about cricket are two different things. When you are angry on your family member you tend to scream at them or some times slap them when they dont agree.. Do you do the same to your Australian cricketers when they do something wrong ? First of all try to compare things that are worth to be comparable...
RE:RE:RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
I did in my first post. I fail to see a link between passion and burning shit or throwing rocks at peoples houses, alot of people are passionate about alot of things but it doesn't result in them turning into pyros. You have failed to provide a link.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by ByTheWay on Oct 18, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
Did Sreesanth racially abused Symonds or ponting ? why the hell they were crying foul on him in every press conference ???
RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
See response to above post. You ever see an Australian player claim a wicket on a dead ball or clap in an outsed batsmens face, 5 times, when they are the 12th man?
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
Well I doubt you'd find any serious person who'd argue racial abuse is not over the line.
In regards to the other incidents being over the line, yes it is where I define it to be. You can disagree as you wish.
If you believe Sreesanths antics were ok, then fine, I disagree and that's that. However if you think it's the same thing as what the Australian's have done, then you're just wrong.
RE:While I'm here...
by ByTheWay on Oct 18, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
@Chris - If you cant agree with anything , thats your own prblm buddy..live with it. and also live in your own foolsparadise. Can you pls tell me - when do you decide a ball is dead ?
Sree didnt do what Aussies did, and he never can. and he will never be able to match the rudish , rowdy on/off field behavior of aussies - even if he tries his level best for the next 10 yrs. Symonds,pontings and Haydens are way ahead of him in that matter. When you are at the recvng end of the small dose of your medicine you start crying like a child..kinder garden stuff. in the last ashes shane warne threw a ball straight at peterson's face after the ball was 'dead'. had he not taken reflex action he would have been in the hospital with stiches. its this kind of rude and rowdy attitude which are wrong..and which makes the crowd boo your players on/off field. Indians do respect good players, they will applaud a lara,kallis,sarwan,astle,gilchrist,lee,m&s waughs and even paki players...but not rowdies like symonds. Even though what crowd did[boooing] was bad, but he desrved ever bit of it - you agree or not..it doesnt matter.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
On the contrary. Have you seen Warne or Mcgrath whilst being the 12th man run up to clap into the face of just outted batsmen, 5 times? No-one minds a good send off, part and parcel of it all.
Sreesanth's behaviour is clearly different on another level and you people will fail to admit it.
No-one minded Irfan's send offs down here 3 summers ago, he had the fire in his belly and that's fine, Sreesanth's actions have been something different, and you people are in a fairy land pretending otherwise.
RE:While I'm here...
by ByTheWay on Oct 18, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Your question itself says that you dont watch cricket...have you ever seen warne & mcgrath reacting to outsted batsman. Or are you saying warne & mcgrath are not aussie ?
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by ByTheWay on Oct 18, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
You will continue saying that all the acts are fair when it suits you. When I told you about warnes & mcgrths gestures on an ousted batsman, in the very next comment you omitted that. wav ! Sree was giving a stare to Haddin and symonds had no business in coming down from the non-striker end to interfere...If dhoni hadnt come in between, umpire would have forced to give him out.
how come you say that all's well when symonds do it and when sree responds in the same way, the its on another level. This is nothing but hypocrisy. if you want to condemn these acts then do it without any bias. sree has never over stepped, its the aus players and your media who ia trying to spread such a perception and putting match officials under undue pressure.
RE:While I'm here...
by Pole Star on Oct 18, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
Bad behaviour is Bad behaviour, who are you to decide the boundary? And how can you expect what ever boundary you will define people will follow. One thing I will tell you that any West Indian or Srilankan player have ever been booed in india, the reason being their on field behaviour is very good. And the australian teanm has the worst reputation for onfield behaviour. So unless u urself is clean you cannot ask others to be.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by Pole Star on Oct 18, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
Thats why i said bad behaviour is bad behaviour. Indians were not the first to start it. Australian started it to distract a person during the match, sreeshant took to a step further to distract your team for the entire series and the crowd support it.
AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!!
It was a gentleman's game, if any team plays like that, there wont be any complain.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
Now you're being rediculous. I have not ommitted anything here myself on purpose. Throwing down the stumps on a dead ball and claiming a wicket is not the same as giving a 'hard stare'. And the umpire would have given him out? You are dillusional on that, someone can not be run out on a dead ball, no matter how much the appealer jumps up and down like a clown.
RE:While I'm here...
by on Oct 18, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
this is for the original poster and not all the flaming that is going on in the middle.
to understand the indian mentality, you need to be an indian. the passion and craze for cricket over here is irrational. also, i would put some blame on the media. these ppl who resort to acts like riots, burning, stoning, etc..are doing it more and more today because it gives them their 15 seconds of fame. that is one reason there.
another reason is that indians are horribly emotional. they'll either make or break the team/player. do understand that cricket is the only source of relieving stress for many, so when they feel let down, they act in such a manner.
i dont personally support it but there ya have it. - tanya
RE:While I'm here...
by True Indian on Oct 18, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
Chris, let me explain to u the our nature and the way we eat/drink cricket. Cricket is more than a sport to us. Its more like a religion. We either love our team when they win (remember the T20 world cup win celebrations) or hate them when they lose (the last world cup lose in WI). Indians are too extreme for u guys to understand. For you guys sports is only a matter of enjoyment, have a beer and njoi the game. For us it is attached to ur life, its a way of distraction frm ur routine life. Its is said that u hate someone only when u love them. Though going overboard in the criticism like burning houses and rioting after we loose doesnt click for me, but thats what happens when u have a large following of the game. Not like in Aus where the fans are distributed between cricket and other sports like aus rugby and football.
RE:RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
You seem like a level headed person, and you are of the opinion such behaviour is extreme and doesn't click for you. Fair enough.
RE:While I'm here...
by chris on Oct 18, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
I thought you deduced that I was a girl, because I sleep with a girl and am Australian, and somehow that automatically made me female.
RE:While I'm here...
by B Ramamurthy on Oct 18, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
Mr.Chris, In India people are very much attached to cricket, its just like a religion. I dont think so the height of respect, glory ,money what our Indians provide the Indian team .. the australian cricket team would have never got it from australians. It all depends on how much you are attached to a thing, it may be sports or anything... Iam really surprised you are just making comments on Inidans... hello..... what do you have to say about Cricketer Symonds, he has abused Indians in writing and also he was the one who initiated the fight. So dont you think Australian cricketers are uncultured people.. Well in that case Indians are far better than them... Since Symond abused Indians hence we reacted in that way.. well it is as per Newtons Third law - For Every Action there is an Equal and Oppposite Reaction.
RE:While I'm here...
by kapil nautiyal on Oct 18, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
well said ramamurthy..but when we go to australia and they call sreesanth and bhaaji monkeys...we should accept this too...everyone is lord in their country
Wikipedia's definition for racism has been dominant, "where the belief that members of one culture or one religious group are superior/inferior to another culture/religion."
My question is does Monkey chants automatically qualify as racism??? Am for not one moment trying to justify the treatment meted out to Andrew(yeah Symonds).... But to paint it the ugly face of racism??? I'm not sure. Here's why---
1. I feel Andrew Symonds has been the most aggro of the Aussie lot..and hence the crowd felt the need to give him back a bit of his own medicine....
2. Boos and Jeers are a part of any game, Indians themselves got jeered at once they were six down for 66.
3. Ask the other Aussies - Particularly Brad Hogg, Brett Lee(another vocal guy), Hodge, Haddin etc. I was at Wankhede yesterday and all these guys were adored even cheered when they made some terrific saves.
So, it's not a question of being racist to the entire team. Even Brett got jeered at when he stared down at Zaheer, who paid him back in his own medicine, but if he had been booed then, wud it also be racism?
That these %u201Cgentlemen of the game%u201D Aussies, Indian and all others like England, SA, Pakistan included often opt for a verbal duel to unnerve their opponents is well known, but some are in the spirit of the game%u2026.. But it%u2019s NOT racism.
I feel we%u2019re using too strong a term to classify a nonetheless heinous act of calling someone a monkey or doing acts to suggest the same. After all that was one guy
RE:Was it racism???
by anil babladi on Oct 18, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
well said saunak. Truly well said. Symonds saying "Shh to Dhoni" in 20-20 is still clear in my eyes. And his eyes, behavior, and talk everything is rude. Being rude is not competitive. That is racist behavior also. ICC seems to come up with their own definition of racist. Come to think of it, How much of a worst captain is Ricky. Of all the captains in the world, no one will come out and joke in the presentation saying someone else is a cheat. Ponting's words about Murali as a joke is nothing but a crude fact that Oz do not like to lose and cannot digest it. Last match there were many dubious decisions, what do you say about that? India should have 3-3. I am sure they are planning for a great welcome to Indians in Oz but don;t worry mite!! we are prepared to give it back in kind.
RE:Was it racism???
by saunak ghosh on Oct 18, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
Right...The world beaters need to also know how to digest defeat. Their over aggro attitude may translate into terrific performances, but off it...I've little to say... Abt Murali's call, yeah... 6 wkts was indeed a joke.. Wish we come up with lots of such jokes in the future.
We've had enough of you and your whining! Get outta her u C*nt! No one in the crowds called him black or nigga or anything like that so how the hell does he even have the guts to take it this far. and to the ICC please ask the australian cricket board to write a statement about misbehaviour in every match first and than ask us!
