Does it mean that the Hyde Act says that you first get nukes of both sides under control, we can never fight a nuke war against one another, and that any wars will be conventional only. That means that a more economic sanctions can then be imposed on us and that US can then play a dual role - supplying arms to both Pakistan and India. China and Russia may supply arms to us or Pakistan and then we can have a grand 5-year or 10-year war in which we lose all of our big moeny to purchase of weapons and go into deeper and deeper debt - as it is we are apparently short of food - end result - India becomes the next Africa. So, the horrors of war now wiping out Africa and Iraq will shift to India and Pakistan and whatever extra mileage US gets out of this kind of situation, they can launch terrorists into Tibet and create problems from China thereby alienating us from China further - it's one grand dream of a decade-long aub-continental war between India, Pakistan and China. I might sound out of my mind, but that is exactly what has happened with the Middle East - Israel and Palestine, Kuwait, now Iraq - and exactly what is happening in Africa for decades. In all cases, it is some mineral at the root of the disaster. What mineral do we have which makes us prime candidates for such a policy? More so if they found out that our nuclear reserves are really good for us to develop. Finally, is it the Iran gas pipeline that is causing great American frustration?
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by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 01:23 AM Permalink
Whether we like it or not, the world is swayed by the three big-money forces, the secular corporate world spanning US, China, Japan, now also Russia, [many indians in it now], the islamic caliphate moneybag and the catholic christendom moneybag. US offers the nuclear deal to india only bec it has an interest in india's energy security bec many large corpos have shifted their crucial operations to india to take advantage of a young and intelligent workforce available at low costs, besides nuke-power expertise in our scientists. They also do not want india tied to islamic energy from iran, since they have no control oover iran, after the shaw was removed; saudis cooperate with the USA, since their monarchy itself reqs american protection. Catholics are fishing in the troubled waters, mainly for the conversional harvests to please the pope. Esssentially, the spirits of kubera [corpos], ravan [mosl] and kumbhkarn [church] are in fight, God just watching the fun. For Him, the hindu india is just karma-bhoomi, place where all sinful souls converge to work out their 'karma', to evolve into Godhead. Hence He allows sonia to work for the pope here, the commies for iran, god-minded manmohan only frustrated. Do not worry too much, God knows how to handle the demons and save His devotees for real unselfish all-welfare happiness, when their karma is worked out. The process is painful, no doubt. We can only try to do our best in the right direction and leave the results to God's will. That
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by Sameer on Jun 22, 2008 02:04 AM Permalink
I must admire you for understanding the subterranean currents and power behind the events. I have a couple of disagreements. Russia is still not accepted in the secular corporate world. Russia tried in 1990s but was spurned. In my view, that has been the biggest blunder by the secular corporate forces not realizing the importance of Russian power. I also believe that had Russia been taken on board, Iraq would have never become a problem. Second point is that one billion Hindus stil have no place to go. The secular corporations want them but are not ready to make a space for them. That is another important fault line which makes secular group weaker. For nearly forty years, Pakistan has been used to neutrlize India rather successfully but it has not helped the secular group but it has strengtheend the 2nd and the third groups. Secualr group has to realize that not all nationalists are bad. I don't see that changing soon. India will be at the recieving end.
Last, the secular group is losing money power rather dramatically. If the trend is not reversed soon, it would lose to other two. No money, no power, no game.
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 06:58 AM Permalink
Sameer: The points you have made are quite valid. I only said Russia is also entering the corpo-world. The unemployed and unemployables in india are a major problem, that could upset things seriously. Lot more has to happen before full fairplay with justice comes to the world's growth as a whole. At least, after 9/11, the secular corpos are firmly lined up against the islamists, Bush offers nuke-fuel-deal only to india, not pak! Bill Gates prefers productive hindus to disruptive moslems. Obama has both anjaneya and the cross on his chain! Catholics are confused whether to support corpos against moslems or moslems against hindus, Sonia has a problem, loses all votebanks. Church wonders whether Christ is with it! Good for humanity as a whole, if God lets kubera the first son of visravas, to triumph over both his younger brothers ravan and kumbhkarn. But then, the corporates should also leave 'sarpa-reeti' and go for 'sarva-reeti', operate as omni-benovolent aadi-sesha instead of all-devouring pythons. If both the jihadis and the conversionists both realize that Almighty is not with them, world can forget about Huttington, concentrate on using corporate effiency and productivity in all sectors including food production and distribution, in a peaceful world, diverting defence money towards defeating ignorance, poverty and economic disparities, going for a fully democratized UNO for the world. May God guide the world to wisdom!
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by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
I really dont know why you mess up so much ........you said they need intelligent peopla and low cost from India becoz of large corps present in India ............... what do you think they are giving us free of cost ...........offcourse we dont need .........I they are tensed about their corps onnly .........then why they are checking domeestic Nuclear stockpile ......... as we are paying for what they are giving........ go and read carefully Hyde Act text ........ You will realize what they want ...........good night meet you tomm'w ............never come up with such mixing of topic ...............Be clear and precise ........
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by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 07:26 AM Permalink
Hate: I do hate your name. An unfortunate feature of the american demo is that it allows lobbies to function, especially in Washington. Unlike in India, senators and congressmen in US cannot become 'ministers' in govt and make money for themselves, kids and grandkids. President and governors appoint job-savvy secretaries. But politicians get money from vested interests, both national and extra-national and try to put in legilation to tie up the president's decisions in favour of the lobbies financing them, if they can. Pak-lobby financed by saudis, is a very strong one. Most of the hyde act and 123 elements are pak-lobby creations to make things difficult for india to accept the deal. If bush had offered a similar deal to mush also, things would have been different. But pak record on prolif has been too bad. Well, all that india can do is to accept the deal and hope the lobbies are not able damage the proceedings later on. Once most senators see the corporate advantages in the deal also, the corporate lobbies will silence them, hopefully. Anyway, if the deal becomes painful, india can always opt out, as a sovereign state, go for self efforts after that. BARC boys are quite competant in that also.
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
Its simple they dont want any Nuclear Power ............ as Russia can give them Gr8 competition ............If India and Iran also get nuke power and become together it will be tough for them to survive ..........thats y they force every body to sign NPT In 1990-2001 Russia gave the proposal of Nuclear Disarmament ...........at that time US strongly denied it ......... its hsow that they want every body under them ........whether it in way of Iraq or In way of India-US Nuclear deal
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by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
NPT prohibits only nuclear arms development, not nuclear power development in trans-national transparency.
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by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 02:11 AM Permalink
I was talking of arms only ..............its by mistake i forget to write ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, dont be too silly looking to be foolish
