A lie told to oneself hundred times over becomes the truth in the subconscious mind.....or so it seems as per psychologists.....at least that is my interpretation..
If Krishna had already decided as part of a plan to conceal the real truth, then it is posible that he is lying and his corroboration should not be taken as the gospel..
Here are some discrepancies : 1) If the Talwars had been at home(as claimed by them)it is impossible that 3 nepalis would have even attempted to enter Aarushi's room......Nepalis by nature are very cautious, secretive and risk averse.....
2) If as reported, they were having drinks, then Talwars would have woken up to the sound of 3 men in the house....
3) Aarushi attempted to stave of the assailants, as per Krishna's description...she would have screamed or atleast there would have been a muffled sound..how come Talwars did not hear anything??
4) As per forensics, Hemraj was murdered first and then Aarushi...however, Krishna gives an opposite view saying that aarushi was murdered first....and all the while Hemraj went along with them?? Very strange considering that Hemraj loved Aarushi like his daughter....
4) As per forensics, Aarushi was murdered by hitting her with a heavy object on the head...and that 20 minutes after her death, her throat was slit.....then how come the blood stains were found on the open door at a distance of 7/8 feet?? if a dead person's throat is slit, the blood would barely gush out....it is a sign that
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by Loan Shark on Jun 19, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
1. krishna and rajkumar are not nepalies ... if rajkumar killed arushi after attempting to rape her, let's not blame nepali servants.
2. not unless they were making noise while having drinks
3. often one scream isn't enough to wake someone up from deep sleep ... maybe the assailant thought that arushi would surrender, or consent, but when she didn't he muffled her sceam and then had to kill her
4. maybe she wasn't dead after the heavy blow, just driven unconscious and then she died ... slitting will result in blood outflow as long as the heart is pumping ... also some blood will ooze out of recently dead person when a blood vessel is cut ... it may have stained assialant's hand who left the blood marks on the door.
No offense .... just doing timepass to screw your theory.
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by David Coverdale on Jun 19, 2008 01:20 AM Permalink
1) Krishna is a Nepali......Rajkumar is a half nepali half UP guy....
2)They are humans and not limp rags for them to move around silently or glide in the air like a butterfly.......
3)One scream is enough to wake you up from a deep slumber....esp. if the scream(even if muffled one)is in the same house barely 4 feet away.......have seen the layout and followed the mock drill on aajTak...
4)Going as per media reporting of forensics investigation...she died 20 minutes before the throat was slit....in which case, the blood would barely ooze out...a dead heart does not pump blood vigorously...LOL!!
Hey no offence meant...just some tp to dismantle your theory...
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by David Coverdale on Jun 19, 2008 12:30 AM Permalink
4) As per forensics, Aarushi was murdered by hitting her with a heavy object on the head...and that 20 minutes after her death, her throat was slit.....then how come the blood stains were found on the open door at a distance of 7/8 feet?? if a dead person's throat is slit, the blood would barely gush out....it is a sign that the struggling Aarushi had her throat slit when she was very much alive and that the torrent of blood thru the jugular flew out with extreme force...
5) Who deleted the photos in camera?? uneducated nepalis?? What are the Talwars trying to cover?? If it were a simple case of lust killing by servants, why are the Talwars behaving so suspiciously all along??
All this proves without a shadow of doubt that this story has been concocted by Krishna to protect someone powerful.....
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by raj on Jun 19, 2008 12:36 AM Permalink
more than anything else. like you said. what did the talwars have to hide ? what were they waiting for all along if someone else had killed their daughter ? we dint see the rage in them, instead we saw guilt in them, and almost as if the murder hadnt happened. they were all in a grief about the mess they had at hand, but no rage. ANY other sane family would have come out and screamed it aloud! instead of cookng up stories and coming up with several inconsistencies all along!!! also - krishna said that talwar was nervous a few days before the incident, and sent him early. so what all this nonsense of a theory they cooked up now ?
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by All Right on Jun 19, 2008 03:43 AM Permalink
Raj:
You may have SEEN the guilt in them, but remember you are not the judge nor the jury.... and since you have made up your mind already, you'd anyway be barred from being on the jury..
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by Raman D J on Jun 19, 2008 01:12 AM Permalink
Talwars behaving suspiciously????? It is the media which is making them look like this.
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by Your Persona on Jun 19, 2008 12:53 AM Permalink
Just curious:
1. How did you arrive at a generic and racist conclusion on "Nepalis" being cautious, etc.?
2. Do you know the layout and architecture of the house to be able to comment on whether or not the Talwars would have heard three men who obviously were trying to do whatever they were up to, quietly? Is it necessary that three men drinking beer at night need to be making a lot of noise?
3. Perhaps Aarushi did try to scream, which explains why the murderer chose to silence her.
4. Do you have access to forensics, other than through the very unreliable media reports? How can you claim forensic report states that Hemraj was murdered first or that the throat was slit after 20 minutes of death? Did you know blood splashes to a lot more than 7-8 feet, particularly when the murder weapon (whether a blunt object or a knife) is being swung?
5. Is there anything to suggest that the photographs in the camera contained anything related to the murder?
6. I understand investigating agencies do not rely on a single form of lie-detection testing to arrive at answers. In case you are familiar with the process, questions are structured to identify inconsistencies, and at least three different methods are used to map the answers that seem most consistent.
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by David Coverdale on Jun 19, 2008 01:12 AM Permalink
1) Generic yes, not racist...racist generally pertains to negative views about a culture....though not necessary that it remains restricted to negative views...
2)Yes, i know the layout and architecture to be able to draw the conclusion(though not sweeping one)that i drew...generally 3 strangers inside a small house would alert the denizens of the house...a small pan falls in the kitchen and i have seen people waking up with a start...
4)I have access to forensics through media reports...i trust CNN/IBN and Times NOW as top notch news reporting agencies...how do you know tha inflation is right now more than 8% and climbing?? Thru print and electronic media!! If you start seeing media with jaundiced eyes, or worse still, you pigeonhole all media channels into one bracket without showing the neccesary commonsense and intelligence to discriminate between the reliable ones and the sensation seeking hyperbole focused ones, then you will never be able to pick and choose the right media outlets for relevant information...you would be the worse for it...
5) Nothing to suggest that...it is strange that 28 snaps are taken and 23 get deleted...tough to believe that Aarushi(who was gifted the camera on that night after dinner)would take 28 snaps and then choose to delete 23 out of them immediately after having taken them...
6)"I understand investigating agencies do not rely on a single form of lie-detection testing to arrive at answers."
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by Demo-crazy on Jun 19, 2008 01:25 AM Permalink
Hi David, Let us not take everything that is placed in the media (whatever label they may be), as the Truth. For that matter, you need not trust even this story of Vicky! Almost all channels have covered it widely for their TRP rating / eyeballs, but none of the channels have been thorough in reporting. They have focused on the scandalous part, or building up hype for catching more ads.
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by Your Persona on Jul 07, 2008 10:25 PM Permalink
1. Dictionary meanings of Racism:
- The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
- Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
2. Clearly, you have witnessed people waking up with a start in a tiny house or one without a noisy air conditioner. There also exist tons of situations where the opposite happen.
4. Reports of the forensic tests conducted by the CBI team, which includes eminent forensic scientists, have not yet been released to the media. What you have access to are the earlier reports based on inadequate ground works, and reportage through unreliable sources. Also, FYI, inflation, and other economic indicators are compiled and released to the media through what are called "Press Releases". The same agencies you mentioned had got the name of the culprit wrong in the recent Neeraj Grover murder case. It's nice to be appreciate of any commercial organization, but it would be wise to use your own judgment.
5. Valid point. However, you are talking of a 14-year old that gets a new digital camera. There is a good possibility she clicked away photos as soon as she got the camera, then deleted them.
6. The Central Bureau of Investigation stated during a media interaction session that it would be conducting multiple forms of tests to map the answers. (Unlike the media's own interpretation of the redundant forensic reports.)
RE:It is possible to lie in a narco-test!!
by Demo-crazy on Jun 19, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
Let us consider if this happens or not. 1. If one of the servants is alredy working at this house, and the other happens to be an employee (compounder at the clinic, and a regular at their home), how is it difficult to gain entry? 2. What if the parents were asleep when these guys were drinking? They probably saw only one (Hemraj) and the others may have entered, one by one, silently. 3. The girl may have been killed first. The forensic report of Hemraj being killed first could be wrong, given their ineptitude in capturing the details of discharged fluid from private areas. 4. Could be the blood of Hemraj? Or could be of Arushi too. If the girl was gagged, she could not have been able to cry for help also. Remote chance of her putting up much resistance also. 5. What if photos were deleted by Arushi, may be she did not like what she clicked? May be it was at the shop testing the camera? We do not have much details (as general public) about all the small crucial details.
So, we can only guess. Let the CBI do its job. A dentist and his spouse can't be so powerful to dictate to CBI. In any case, they are not related to 10, Janpath!
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by Godwin on Jun 19, 2008 01:52 AM Permalink
Human brain is a garbage,it takes in lots of input both good/bad thinking & events,nacro test is made only to analysis the sequence of events on a persons brain,eventhough you train your brain to say a lie its difficult for a common man to handle.During the test,there would be lots of question which would be very difficult to anticipate for a common man to keep his lie.The person will be in a deep trance and even though he practises his subconscious brain to fake an event,there will be many more questions which he would not have thought of to tackle,that too in a trance he has no chance to fake it.Remember CBI has top class personals with huge realtime experience with them, they would dig it out with out a persons knowledge. For point 1. To me the Talwars would have been very busy professionals so that they have to believe the servant blindly to keep the routiens in their house. Hemraj was trusted so much by the Talwars, there is a possibility that Shambu and Krishna took advantage of Talwars trust on Hemraj. 2. After Talwars went to sleep, Krishna, Hem & shambu would have started their beer. 3. there would have been some noice which would have penetated a closed room with AC's on. 4. yes this is strange 5. she would have been alive even after taking that blow.hence they have decided to slit the throat,they would have been caught by surprise when the blood flew a distance.I guess the Talwars would have NOT involved in this crime.How come a parent kill their own daughter?
