RE:Inspiration
by Kris iyer on Jun 06, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Yes, Islam, as interpreted by angry Mullahs in Madrassas. It is not the Islam of SUFI saints, even Hindus worship. At present, Islam has this capacity to "isolate" its followers from others. Turn them against non-muslims. I am not sure that it is a strength. What thoughtful muslims must notice is that there is no Islamic minority in this world that is happy with its lot. U.K., U.S.A., France, Germany, Spain, Russia, Thailand, Philippines - all have Islamic minorities. In each country, the muslims have a different grievance. In all the "white" or "gora" countries, it is the Iraq invasion by USA, in Philippines it is the Christian majority rule muslims do not like, likewise in Thailand Buddhist majority rule. Nothing like "communal riots" in Thailand and Philippines and yet a lot of killings of non-muslims by radical muslims is happening, even now. Hindus also are minorities in the USA and UK - countries that have supported Pakistan consistently over Kashmir, supplying arms to that country. Should Hindu youth wage "Dharam Yudh" in USA and UK. Pakistan and B'desh have reduced the sizeable Hindu minority to the present very low levels. Should Hindus form secretive "bomb units" to cause chaos in these countries? SIMI thinks they are the only ones with grievances, special grievances. justifying all this terrorism. They are wrong. Every group in India has some very strong grievances. They are not acting like SIMI.
RE:Inspiration
by deepak on Jun 07, 2008 12:09 AM Permalink
Most sufi saints were radical Islamist who worked with the back up of soldiers. None of these so called Sufis had any love for Hindus or Hinduism which they considered jahil & jahiliyat...it is said the Sufi saint Hazrat Shah Jalal who proselytized in Bengal dropped severed heads of cows in village wells...the soldiers would then blackmail innocent villagers to becoming Muslims who would otherwise be ostracized from the community. Deceit, force and lies have always been the main force for any predatory proselytizing religion, particularly Islam. Hindus worship anything with a hint of divinity, which is why they flock at grave sites of these mostly unedifying 'sufi saints'.
RE:Inspiration
by Kris iyer on Jun 07, 2008 07:12 AM Permalink
Deepak, Thanks for the info., on Hazrat Shah Jalal. It is crucial. I now recall reading about him converting Bengali hindus in the rural areas. I accept that conversion was a strong motive for many Sufis. All their travels around India, singing in villages, should remind one of Christian missionaries. The dropping of "Gow Manss" (cow meat) in village wells was a practice adopted by soldiers - well authenticated in Mughul records themselves.
You are right in your view, "Hindus worship anything with a hint of divinity". I went to the Ajmeer Dargha in Rajasthan, seeking inspiration. As I was claiming the ten or so steps to the Dargah, I was met by a man who took me to another man sitting at the entrance to the main hall. He came to the point straight away. "How much can you donate?" as he opened a Register, with his pen poised to write my name and the amount. I said I am travelling through Rajasthan. I need to make donations to the many Mandhirs I am visiting. Rs.80/- is all I can afford." He appeared to lose interest. He said, "Please give it to the man inside." Around the "samadhi", there were men standing with lots of rupee notes in their hands. To my surprise, there were three of them, one in each corner of the structure. I gave them each Rs.20/- (Rs.60/-), the other Rs.20/- I distributed to some people outside. To be honest, I had no time to focus on Saint "Chishti". I do not think I will go back there again. But I still enjoy some Sufi poetry.
RE:Inspiration
by Virgo on Jun 07, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
Kris, Sufism is nothing unique. All its main mysticism teachings are borrowed from Hinduism. All mainstream Muslims such as the Salafi, Wahabi, Deobandi, Sunni, Shiite etc. consider Sufis as non-Muslims as the mysticism they teach is not part of either the Quran or mohamad's teachings. You must read the books written by Anwar Shaik, a pakistani philosopher. where he analyzes the Sufi mysticism and debunks them.
I agree with Deepak. The sufis were proselytizers and anti-Hindu
RE:Inspiration
by Kris iyer on Jun 10, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
Virgo, Thanks for the info. This site is proving to be useful to me, in terms of exchanging views and ideas also.
