The step of TTD towards considering Dalits does not glorify Dalits as we are all equal bfore the Lord and remember hearing vedas does not accord any holy status to anyone and do not send 'em to heaven. It's Salvation that is more important and nothing of such things can bring that. It's complete surrendering to real God (creator)and His forgiving of our sins takes us to Paradise. Just remember who spilled the blood to forgive all our sins. People pls wake up to the Truth...
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by Guest on Jul 14, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
>> surrendering to real God (creator) as long as there is only "one real god" , there will be people killed at his alter. its kind of strange that the followers of the most famous victim of the "one real god" (>> Just remember who spilled the blood to forgive all our sins.) are singing the same tune.
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 14, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
Mr. Pramod Chaitanya,
How do you know that your God is the real God and others' God is not? Muslims also make similar tall claims, but offer no proof.
According to the theology of your great religion, someone like Hitler will be forgiven and granted heaven all his sins as long as he accepts Christ, and someone like Gandhi will be sent to hell, simply because he did not accept Christ. It is you who needs to wake up to the truth.
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by Pramod Chaitanya on Jul 14, 2008 04:24 PM Permalink
Hey I've no religion. Never will a person who has committed crimes can make it to heaven without getting punished to the fullest. Repentance before Christ and punishment are the must for any mistake and every human being might have erred at least once in his lifetime. The path is not easy, it's the toughest one. Living righteous life is the most important point to achieve this. My ideal, Gandhiji should have certainly made it to the heaven bcos of his xtreme righteous life - heaven could not have lost him.
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by Gud Samaritan on Jul 14, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Dear Deva, The presence of an orderly and perfectly crafted nature (environment), say ecology and the very life on earth are created by a Supreme Being whom we call God. We can not deny this fact. Repentence if not before Christ, it is a must atleast before any one who has the capability to forgive all your sins. I pronounce that religion has nothing to do with God (there is nothing like ur God and my God). Our rationality and intelligence are God's gifts and He is above everything and everyone. No doctrine of Christianity can claim that Mahatma is in hell, damn that if it really says so. Accepting God needs understanding true Love and devotion, not getting awed by some myths. Mythology can not lead to spirituality and devotion. Here the discussion is the step taken by TTD. I appreciate if it helps in practically developing Dalits and making them good citizens but what I say is it will not elevate them in God's view as everyone is equal before Him.
RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Devavrata Satya on Jul 15, 2008 07:20 AM Permalink
Mr. Samaritan,
There is no evidence that either nature or life were created by a god of some sort. In the absence of evidence, we cannot deny god, but it is upto god or his believers to amass evidence.
If nature and life requires a supreme being to create it, how did this supreme being itself come into existence? If this being can come into existence by itself, so can nature and life.
I admire your progressive views, but I am sorry to say that they have little to do with Christianity and everything to do with your being a good human being.
Accepting God in the absence of evidence is itself getting overawed by myths. Spirituality is not about accepting God but being in search of God - not believing what has been handed down, but looking for oneself.
It is nice if you believe that the God you believe in views everyone equally. Just for comparison, the Christian God does not view believers and infidels equally.
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by ted haggard on Jul 14, 2008 04:42 PM Permalink
bravo !!! if you are good you go to hevan and if you are bad you go to hell, do you need a god at all. do you do good things because you are scared of hell or it is because they are worth doing ??? i am not a thief, not because i am scared of police because i find the idea repungent
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by Pramod Chaitanya on Jul 14, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
Dear Bravo, Whether we need or not, there is God who created us. Just like how father of a family judges our deeds, so does the God. What u said is correct, we must always do good and even think good. But we all know - to err is human, to forgive is God. We've to face His judgement and our soul remains for eternity either in heaven or hell based on His verdict. We may be good according to us, but not according to the Supreme and Holiest being, the God. God's perception is far more superior and sensitive than ours. He loves us so much and we have to just acknowledge that - He will guide us...
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 14, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
Mr. Chaitanya,
How do you know God created us? There is no evidence for this.
Assuming that God created us, why does he make us do wrong deeds? Apparently, he is an all-powerful God, capable of producing humans from nothing. Surely ensuring that these humans do nothing wrong must be child's play for him?
It is interesting how you talk with so much authority about God - I am wondering if you have a direct telephone line to him?
Please stop being overawed by bronze-age myths and the books that contain them. Learn to think critically and rationally.
