RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
Hi Mani,
The truth is they do not want penniless, low caste people in hinduism, so the change of their mindset is very difficult, Whatever they cry wolf of conversions are for the sake of a fight. Really they want to shed the overload of poor people and people who want reasons behind rituals. They consider this people as dangerous but in reality they who can fine tune this religion and help to update to modern times requirement. It has become less soulsearching and more of chanting. But They know this but pretent as if they don't get it, With violent mobs shouting they don't hear what their heart say
RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Sanjay Jamdade on Sep 26, 2007 12:47 AM Permalink
You and many like yourself suffer from inferiority complex brother!
You are still welcome into the folds of Hinduism! What ever way you pray remember you shall always be termed by Outsiders like Chinese Japanese, Arabs, Italians as an Indian and not as a Christian!
You can't change your Indian genes!
You may have suffered torture from few upper class Hindus. But your Identity is always Indian--that you cannot change!
By the way why not one Indian Christian has become a Pope?
There are thousands of such questions. So from the frying pan into the fire- such is your fate.
Conversion is a political tool,it has nothing to do with God!
Remember Saint Chokhoba of Maharashtra and Saint Kanakdas of Karnataka did not undergo conversion. Their hymns are sung in schools and colleges do post graduate thesis on them!
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 26, 2007 07:50 PM Permalink
The history of conversion goes back to brahmins migration (Parasurama's clan) During the maurya empire they could not stay in North because of they became vegetarian and offering pattern has changed. They migrated to south India and slowly undermined the Saivaites who were earlier purohits by pleasing the kings with Yagna's and offering. Slowly they became priests and thrown the native Vellala priest out and hijake the religion. Only kings and rich were wanted and rest all become unwanted garbage. So the people were not living so many years without a God. So conversions took place to avenge the act Mind you The people who converted are not just beggers sort They were all hard working people and real backbone of country. Still you will never understand,
RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
I will never ever abuse any form of god The point is I am not aversed to seek the truth even if gods are involved. Gods cannot be so mysterious And also fragile as always Avinash or Sharma constantly rescuing him. YOu can abuse as much of Jesus and Its your problem and I dont abuse you back. A faith should have a substantial amount of intellect to grow. Thats all I have to say. Let there be Rama sethu, I don't have a problem But sethu canal is all we want As our CM said. Listen to Bhagwan rajneesh once and you will change a lot I guess
RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
@ albert
WHen you say "I will never ever abuse any form of god The point is I am not aversed to seek the truth even if gods are involved."
This is not what you have said and I have replied to a few pages back.
That said, when we say that we se the divinity in EACH AND EVERY living being and see the Lord in them, you twist it to say that the Lord/Gods are "fragile".
On the contrary, we feel our Lord cannot be affected by pathetic human beings, who are but a manifestation of him
You may or may not realize it, but what you statement implies, that is you are putting down Sanatana Dharma. I hope that it is true ignorance and not deliberate distortion
When you say "A faith should have a substantial amount of intellect to grow. "
What do you mean by that? Are you implying that Sanatan Dharma does not have that?
If so, I beg to differ, as it is the ONLY faith that allows individuals to grow in their OWN way, rather than making tham follow a rigid set of rules, any of which if you contradict, you are judjed to be "Blasphemous" or an " Apostate"
Am I not correct or are your intentions just Hindu-bashing.
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 26, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Mittal, I agree with you and sanathana dharma preaches plenty of things which could be able to practiced by Brahmin priest. The fruits of sanathana dhama not benifitted many other than brahmins. Thats the curse of the religion, but unfortunately you do not want to get rid off. Its your handcap that makes you complain about conversion and other religion If one practice what he preaches should not have been so much denigrating from this great faith. Touch your heart and say that your priests are deep rooted spitualists. Yuo have to agree to some extend. Like I agree chiristianity is not so perfect too But they keep the flocks together. Do you have guts to agree that your religion The moment you do some Vedanthi will issue a Fatwa Be carefull and we all want you.
RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Ganesh on Sep 26, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
Dear Albert, no one is abusing Jesus. Sethusamuthram Project is not a commercially viable project as it is not deep canal like the suez and 85% of the ships cannot use it. Only small ships can use the canal. Suez was built by the British to save shipping time and if this was plausible and viable, do you just think that they would have done it when it was ruling us itself. The pros and cons were against it from day one. The fact that this project has been discussed for 100 years and not materialised is due to its commercian inviability. Those who oppose it do not want to lose 2 million brothers and sisters by another Tsunami. CM does not care for them. He is only interested in the money that comes from the dredging contract for elections coming soon. Maran brothers are no longer there with him with lots of money. It all boils down to money and nothing for the country my dear. Never trust a politician to speak the whole truth.
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 26, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
@ albert
Thank you for your reply. At least you have some courtesy.
The preists are just that , priests doing ritualistic worship. The level of spirituality achieved by them is their personal quest.
Now, I could point out the pedophilia and rape on innocent minors both homosexual and heterosexual by the Catholic priests as a representation of the Christian faith as YOU have done. What would you think of that
Now, you say that people do not practice Sanatan Dharma.
I strongly differ from you on that or else the minority like your faith would not have flourished in India for HUNDREDS of years.
Your last two lines are unitelligible so I cannot respond.
It seems that one part of you may want to understand but the other part is bent on criticising the Hindu faith. That very nature is the paranoia created by the indoctriantion by your background.
You mention that if they make you a "Shnakaracharya" you will convert to Hinduism Do you realise that these individuals under TWENTY years of rigorous daily training living life in an austere spartan setting, cultivating Sattvic qualities so as to be qualified for the position.
It is easy to want something and say that you desreve this. Instead of making hollow statements learn to respect other and love them.
I am afraid that your posts do not show ANY love as you claim your faith teaches.
BTW, I was not born on "Brahmin" family but aspire t know "Braham Vidya" which is what makes a "Brahmin"
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 26, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
Ganesh, I think you are a Tamil, and six crore people wanting it is not a Joke. It develops so much ports from kanyakumari to nagapatnam, there will be good economic activity on coastel towns with new townships It saves roughly 1200 km of distance to chennai So don't get fooled by economies of BJP, and have faith in Tamil nadu and its people.
RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Perv Sharma on Sep 25, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
For the Last 15 years UP, Bihar have had only SC/BC Chief Ministers with a Majority ? Now why blame Brahmins then for UR Choice of Leaders ?
RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by pervinder_s@yahoo.com on Sep 25, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
U Live in Porkistan don't U? UR Both the points happen in India for your kind information ?
U contradict URself ? on 1. point U state to do away with Caste System and in the same point U want anybody to become a Brahmin or a Dalit ? Whenever there is no caste system then everybody can only be a Hindu - Idiot Moroon of Porkistan ?
