This is very common in Kashmir...I was also subjected to this Humiliation during my Trip in 2005. How do we expect the masses to be with India. Military is not the solution.
Srinagar, Sep 7: Policemen and paramilitary CRPF men cordoned off the busy Lal chowk area on Friday afternoon and subjected pedestrians to an identification parade, witnesses said. They said CRPF men and cops sealed the exit points near Regal Chowk and near Ganta Ghar. Later pedestrians were asked to line up and prove their identity. Entire operation continued for nearly an hour. (GKNN)
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by raj on Sep 07, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
Mr.Imran patel . You heard of "Radical Isalamist" they put us in this postion.Imagine with out them?
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Vishnu Sharma on Sep 07, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
Once we seal the LOC or Take back POK then we can suspend all these checks and roadblocks and inspections.
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by MOHAN PYARE on Sep 07, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
In a disturbed area the security agencies have to check the identity of people to minimise the chances of teroor strikes. Government should issue ID cards to all the citizens and should advise everyone to be ready to produce the ID cards as when there is a check. Such checks are in the interest of the citizens. In China, if anybody wants to book a room in any hotel, a foreigner has to show his/her passport and a citizen has to show his/her citizenship card. It is mandatory.
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by Mouka Bihkari on Sep 07, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
Osama Bin Laden is India's best friend. gandhi and osama have a lot in common.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
Mr. Mohan Pyare, That is called a "POLICE STATE". China is a COMMUNIST STATE. And I have give you many example where this "POLICE STATE" policy has failed.
Look at the effect. We are having random searches in Hyderabad as well. There was a 9/11 here in the US. Why is there no random checking ? There were acts of terrorism in London and Madrid. Why is there no random Checking ?
We need to ask ourselves these question. Random checking is like a Band-Aid that comes off very fast. It is not a strategic plan to combat terrorism.
I do not want Kashmiri Pundits to be staying in the slums, I want them to have the opportunity to come back to Kashmir. The ARMY needs to tighten the borders to prevent any infiltration.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Sunit Kumar on Sep 07, 2007 08:15 PM Permalink
imran patel, you have point, i agree with your logic, it needs to be worked out by indian security egancies.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Dare on Sep 07, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
Imran-- You have sound logic.. The problem is transitioning to local police is easier said than done.. Kargil happened inspite of Indian Army guarding the borders.. The yearning for peace has to be dichotomous.. Not just Indian policy thinkers but also general Kashmiri population.. If the latter wants peace they want it as an independent state or with Paki (which is the distorted version we are getting because of ethnic cleansing and Paki nationals inflitrating our side), something India cannot agree. BTW, I dont agree with LOC as international border.. It is for now.. but should never be India's permamnetent position.. I do know that some PM, ploiticins are tinkering with that idea.. and all I can say is that is very denagerous at best.
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by kraft on Sep 07, 2007 06:48 PM Permalink
Imran appears to be wishing for the success of the terrorists belonging to his Religion!or else why he objects to the Police doing its duty?
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by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
That is the best you can come up with ? It is because of this thinking that we cannot SOLVE a single problem...be it Kashmir or the North East. I advocate the same approach in the North East.
People like you and I sit in our offices and decide these policies. But the reality on the ground is totally different. We need to see the effect of policies on the common man affected. Not someone from Delhi/Mumbai/Pune/US...
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by raj on Sep 07, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
Why you name US? MR. Imran Patel. By reading your opinion about Kashmir and adding US along with that shows you are a hard headed MUSLIM Radical. Let me tell you this . Once Isreali Prime minister said this,"All muslims are not terrorist but all terrorist are Muslims" Isn't that the truth. By the way as a democratic country ofcourse India will have good realation with its sister democracy. There is no way we Want India become "IRAN or your "Saudi". We are free people. Jai Hind
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by Deepak Gautam on Sep 07, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Imran, I somehow think you have a thinking head. Now considering the situation of Sep 7 Srinagar (which you have pointed out in last msg), Can you suggest the best solution in the situation that security guys should have taken?
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by arun dudani on Sep 07, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
Hi All, You are objecting to security men frisking up everybody in search of terrorists? I fail to understand why? "I am a TERRORIST" is not written on anybody's forhead. I would rather submit to frisking and get late by one hour or two hours rather than reporting to chitragupta and yamraj to find out whether i am going to spend the rest of eternity in heaven or hell.
To others, it does not matters whether I am in India currently or outside. It does not make anybody any less Hindustani. Why security forces frisk people is just matter of common sense which thankfully is independent of location.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
We need police, but the police needs to be LOCAL, NOT THE CRPF. I am from Maharashtra. I am perfectly fine with having Maharshtra Police in our cities. But I will not be comfortable to see CRPF or the ARMY patrolling the streets. Here is what I recommend,
- We need to identify the LoC as the international border through our parliament - Get international agreement and guarantees, and Pakistan will be the signatory to this UN resolution. There should be carrots (Trade) and sticks (Trade & Financial Embargo and also Military Options) - IAF needs to STOP the border infiltration. Use the latest technology. Benchmark best practises from other countries. Move some villages if there is a need. - Facilitate movement, but legally through immigration. That needs to be staffed and financed to make it effective. - Kashmir police force needs to be trained in data collection, analysis and surgical operations. It has to have a KASHMIRI FACE, NOT someone from other states. - Cut the Bureaucracy in the government systems. It is a big turn off. None of the government organizations in Kashmir are efficient. They are lazy and corrupt.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Let me paraphase Thomas Jefferson, he said, people who compromise their liberty for security, end up loosing both.
This is NOT the job of the military...ARMY is designed for Border Protection from enemy nations or for an Invasion. It is not equipped and trained to combat millitant. Lets make that dinstinction. You do not use a Hammer for everything. You have a variety of other tools. We need a different approach. Military is a heavy handed approach which does more harm than good. It alienates the masses and no insurgency/militancy can be defeated without the support of the local masses.
Study the change of US tactics in IRAQ. Working with the locals...
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Sunit Kumar on Sep 07, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
imran patel, with all due respect to your KASHMIRIYAT, can i ask you do u Kashmiri's ever think of the Pundits leaving in the slums of Delhi made homeless, ur right u compromised the liberty of the Pundits because u felt insecure and u lost it both, you cant be more right , congrats !!!
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
I am not from Kashmir. And I am NOT a fan to Kashmir being an Independent country.
I do not want Kashmiri Pundits to be staying in the slums, I want them to have the opportunity to come back to Kashmir. The ARMY needs to tighten the borders to prevent any infiltration.
