There is a National Anthem...What am I missing here ?
This concept of "MATA" is derived from the Hindu belief in Godess...Parvati Mata...That is what we do not Believe as Muslims. Hence we reject the Concept of Bharat being our MATA.
Dont confuse issues. India is our HOME COUNTRY, COUNTRY OF BIRTH...
If tomorrow some poet were to come up with a Song that says "India is a blessing to the World from ALLAH", would you sing it...
Stop this crap of MATA and PITA. Follow the rules of the LAW, Pay Taxes and do NOT encourage Bribes. Bharat "MATA" will be more happy.
These are also communist ideas...Remeber "Mother RUSSIA"
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by Pandu Havaldar 61-62 on Sep 01, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
You should drop your Hindu surname if you have so much problem with anything hindu
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by imran patel on Sep 01, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
No...How is Patel a Hindu name...Why are we being so superficial and Shallow...
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by Pandu Havaldar 61-62 on Sep 01, 2007 11:07 PM Permalink
Dude you started it by bringing MATA etc. Thought to let you know Patel is Hindu name. Islam might not permit it... I really don't care personally if you use it. Since you are so much offended by MATA thing thought let you know
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by Transformers Transformers on Sep 01, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
I am Batman and rediff banned me frm posting for my Anti Communist and Anti Islam comments so this new Name Transformesr and i have seen a lotta Imran patels posts and hes one of the very few moslems who i must say write nuthn that would seem anti national or anti hindu. I thnk hes quite liberal whch is good.
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by imran patel on Sep 01, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
A person should develop more patience and respect for other by learning ISLAM. Remeber in ISLAM, ANGER is HARAM.
If that is not happening when people learn about Islam, then there is something wrong.
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by Transformers Transformers on Sep 01, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
U can be a liberal even aftre learning and reading Islam...
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by Serious on Sep 01, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
imran, you are wrong. the concept of MATA is not from hindu or any religion. otherwise, how will a word called "MOTHERLAND" exist at all? will you call this word also a hindu-word? please do not make the fact of "calling your birthplace motherland" a religious issue.
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by Transformers Transformers on Sep 01, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
i agree with Imran. If he loves his country and works for the benefit of India thn callin India Mata or nt should nt be the test to prove patriotism.
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by Serious on Sep 01, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
yes it is symbolic. like the word "mother tongue", that is used to indicate one's first language. i think there is nothing wrong in it. i am a hindu, but not a believer of the devi's. i would not like to worship DEVIs or (MATAs). but i feel it is okay to call the country of birth my motherland.
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by Anuj Kumar Singh on Sep 02, 2007 01:16 AM Permalink
I support Imran, If you cant say mata to mother land due to religion constraint, not a problem, because you love it.
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by Transformers Transformers on Sep 01, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
I wouldnt have agreed with Imran as i was a firm beleiver in the concept of bharat mata i wish it could be like that, bt when i see all the filth around, we dumping wastes and toxic chemicals on our land i feel ashamed to call our land Mata. It almost feels like insulting the grateness that bharat mata means. Its so bad.
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by Transformers Transformers on Sep 01, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
The truth is all muslims in both India and Pakistan are originally Hindus who were forced into islam by the arabd invaders. One look at indian and paki muslims and its so very clear they are just nt arabs who are the real muslims. Indians and paki muslims look distinctively diffrnt frm the arabs. So b4 sayn nethn wrng abt Hindus thnk of the suffering that ur hindu forefathers went thrhg at the hands of the arab moslems who forced their islamic religion un u guys
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by Transformers Transformers on Sep 01, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
Bt am sure u ll agree that ur forefathers were Hindus originally who were converted by the moghuls
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by imran patel on Sep 01, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
There is a possibility that my forefathers were Hindu/Christian/Athiest/Bhuddist/Jews/etc...There is a possibility that they were converted by force...
How does it change the FACT that I am a Muslim today.
What is important is that I am NOT FORCING anyone...
Allah knows, I will never betray my country...or pay bribes or try to evade taxes.
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by Transformers Transformers on Sep 01, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
I ll agree with you and lets close it here. This forum is about the commies sellling India to china and hw to get rid of the commies and nt a Hindu vs Muslim forum.
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by imran patel on Sep 01, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
As far as COMMIES are concerned...We need to minimize their effect by voting them out of power...and here my Community has let itself down by supporting Communist.
Commies are blood sucking parasites...It is failed ideology, failed policies and miserable Financial policy.
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by imran patel on Sep 01, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
You have no idea what situations I find myself in...I am in the US and have many Muslim and non Muslim friends. Many Muslim friends are from Pakistan...
I have other Muslim friends from India as well...It is great to see Muslim Indians support India against Pakistani Muslims.
The good thing is that all are educated. So the debates are very informative and well behaved.
I must tell you...There are people in Pakistan that are SICK for their country...Some were even hoping that the US will invade PAkistan...
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by Sunil Agrawal on Sep 01, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
Because Bharat mata, that's our culture, and tradition. A person can change any faith or religion but can not change his/her culture, tradition and ancestors.
"Bharat mata", that is the thing which makes India unique.
Anything coming from the West we consider secular but anything coming from Indian culture we consider as communal. These is just slavery.
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by imran patel on Sep 01, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
Sunil,
Look like you sleep with your eyes OPEN.
What Culture and Tradition are you talking about.
I came to India last year...Look at our tradition and culture in today's youth...I was ashamed...Look at the dress clothes of these girls today...In may days there was one or two girls wearing jeans in college...Not they are wearing shorts...
And How are you saying that person cannot change his Culture, traditions...
Look at our films...they more pathetic than western films...Check out the ITEM/MASALA songs...Do you still believe that culture/traditions are not Changing...
Some changes are for Good (Cast system, Sati)...some are bad...
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by Sunil Agrawal on Sep 02, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
Imran, Problem is with you is that you are too arrogant. You are mixing fashion, social-evil, and individual's action with culture. If a person wants to wear anything, what's wrong in that.
Fashion changes everyday. But you can't change your ancestors and and values.
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by imran patel on Sep 02, 2007 01:10 AM Permalink
No Sunil,
The reason I Pray 5 times, or bow in front of the Kabah are part of my religion NOT a tradition.
The caste system was a tradition that we have reduced.
Even in Islam there are many traditions that we need to reject. Example, the Burkha is not the dress code of the Muslim Woman. It was the traditional dress of Arab Woman. Islam says that woman should cover her body and dress modestly. Burkha may be a solution but it is NOT THE ONLY solution. Shalwar Khammez with Dupatta is perfectly fine.
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by Sunil Agrawal on Sep 02, 2007 12:29 AM Permalink
You are going on different track my dear. Let me explain you differently.
Why a Muslim pray 5 time not, why not 4 or 6 time? Why a Muslim name should be Imran why not Sunil Agrawal? Why a Muslim bend for namaj in perticular direction.
This is all I am talking about. That's a culture and tradition you get from your ancestors and make you unique. Some are faith based, some are country based, some are region based.
But, if somebody is rigid and determine not to understand other's idea then nobody can make him understand.
Cutting off limbs and hands and legs for crimes like theft in sharia laws, is that your values ? Not letting woman work and forcing her nt to have even her face exposed forevevr, is that your values ? destroying bamiyan budhas in afghanistan, is that your values ? killing innocnet people in the name of jihad, is that your values ? Givin talaq to women by just mere words without any rights for women, is that your values ? Teaching children only abt islam and nuthn else in madarassas, is that your values ? Female circumsision, is that your values ? Women requiring 4 witnesses to prove she has been raped whch is impossible, is that your values ?
B4 u say thnk and look into urslef wot fault lies in u
