DON'T CONVERT, DEMOLISH CASTE SYSTEM BEING INSIDE HINDUISM.
We saw in the past several people converting into other religions to escape, denounce and demolish caste system. Now, I think, the climacteric or critical time has passed, where even Brahmins are voluntarily joining to demolish this evil caste system. So there is no need to run away from Hinduism. Just kick the door from where you stay, the caste system will come down crumbling.
The gradual removal of caste system will benefit both India and Hinduism.
But there are a few lunatics who think Hinduism cannot survice without caste system. The fact is opposite: Hinduism will degenerate with caste system. It is the caste system which opened easy paths for the foreign murderers and looters who came to India in 8th Century.
Gazhni Mohammed used to invade India just with 5,000 troops and killed each time 50,000 people [according to his own records]. He successfully invaded India 17 times.
So unite and eradicate divisive evils like caste system.
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by Sanjeev Verma on May 13, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
I agree that caste system is number 1 enemy of Vedic Faith. Maharishi Dayanand had proved beyond doubt through religious debates that birth-based caste system was never a part of Vedic teachings. Caste system was used by Hindu priests to exploit poor people for thousand of years. Ignorant have always been exploited by so called custodians of religion. It is true with every religion in one form or the other. Cureently, Islam has been hijacked by its custodians by taking the name of Jehad to kill lot of innocents around the world. Time has come for Hindus to go back to true Vedic Religion by joining Aryasamaj Movement.
Read following article from Swami Agnivesh-especially on "Caste system Disorder":
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by Sanjay Hemmady on May 13, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
Most of the bramhins knew that birth based cast system was never a part of Vedic Teachings. Even though I am a Bramhin, i want to question all the other Bramhins, why did the bramhins keep quiet for centuries. They were quite happy with the Shudras, Dalits etc. as slaves to them. Now that Dalits are at the top, Bramhins should keep quiet and face the music.
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by anand ganesh on May 13, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Yes Sanjeev. I completely agree with u.
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by anand ganesh on May 13, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
Why gradual removal. No gradual removal. We should launch a campaign immediately. God knows how and from where this Manu Smruti came. It said castes were craeted by god from his mouth (Brahmins), shoulders(Kshatriyas), thighs(Vaisyas) and feet(Shudras) and asys that mouth is the purest organ. This goes completely against Gita where Lord said that caste depends on person's deeds and qualities. Is this Manu a greater authority than Lord Krishna??? Why Hindus neglect Gita and follow this Manu?
Let alone passing the test of modern Constitutioal values and humanism. This Manusmriti does not even confirm to Gita. Scientists like Oppenheimer, Einstein have gained from it a lot odf inspiration. While we dumped Gita and followed that useless Manu smriti.
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by Sanjeev Verma on May 13, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
I agree with you. The funny thing is that even Manu Smruti has also been tampered at a number of places to introduce caste system by cunning Brahmins. The truth is that even Manu Smruti ( untampered version) is against birth-based caste syetm. You should read Swami Dayanand Sarswati's "Satyarath Prakash". He has shown lot of contradictions in current vesion of Manu Smruti. Manu Smruti says somewhere that a Shudra can become Brahmins through hard work. This completely goes against the theory of birth based caste system. The caste system was very clearly introduced through lot of manipulations and cunningness of some selfish people and time has come to expose them.
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by Errampalle Jawahardatham on May 13, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
I think, we should be more clear about the caste system.
Yes, caste system has its orgins in Karma theory, which beleives that according to one's karma he is born into a caste. A person who has accumulated bad karma in his previous birth is born into lower castes or into animal species, whereas the one who accumulated good karma is born into higher castes. In fact, it is based on the birth only from the beginning.
But anyway such evil things are there in every religion in diferent forms. But once it is realised it is evil, we need to change.
Manu Smriti came into existence before Gita. So Manu Smriti does not mention about Gita. Gita does not say that caste is not based on birth. But nevertheless there is certain amount of flexibility in Gita. Gita says although caste is based on birth, the person's role becomes perfect of his caste only when he follows the rules laid for his caste. Anyway compared to Manu Smriti, Gita offers some positive definitions with respect to caste, like:
1. A wise man treats a Brahmin, an elephant or a Pariah with equal eye.
2. Irrespective of his caste he who comes to God will reach heaven.
3. Caste is limited only to body. The soul is pure and equal, whether he is Brahmin or the other.
According to Gita, caste restrictions must be followed, but that should not go beyond the limits to illtreat others.
Whereas Manu Smriti is purely restritive, authoritarian and controlling in its nature.
Anyway, irrespective of what religion said, now we realise that this caste system should be totally but systemmatically dismantled for the welfare of the nation and society.
Most important thing is there is need to raise the cultural, confidence and thinking levels of the weaker sections. They should be trained how to compete and how to improve their motivation level. They should given some out of the curriculum training, which should include communications skills, English language skills, personality development, etc.
Simply distributing quotas for different castes does not bring any permanent change. These disparities will continue further prolonging the reservation system. People who are very weak need reservations. But that should not be a pre-planned permanent thing.
Caste system is an evil. To undo that evil reservations were created. But, today, thanks to our politicians, we are living with two evils--caste system and reservation system.
We need more scientific and systemmatic approach to reform the caste system.
PS: The above are personal opinions. Some of the above written things may need improvements or corrections.
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by Sanjeev Verma on May 13, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Hello,
I agree with most of what you say. However, we should try to understand hinduism. How can one say whether the verses in Manu Smruti and Gita are authentic. Birth based caste system was cleverly introduced by cunning priests. They tampered with Manu Smriti and other religious books for this purpose. Maharishi Dayanand challenged on these orthodox Hindus through religious debates. These cunning priests could not stand before Dayanand in these religious debates. Finally they killed Maharishi by poisioning him. Dayanand believed that Vedas are the book of true knowledge and he saw lot of contradictory verses in Manu Smruthi and other books. It was very clear to him that these books have been tampered with since these verses went against Vedic philosophy. He took his message to people. We need someone like him, who can expose orthodox Hindus through religious debates.
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by Sanjeev Verma on May 13, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
Now, it seems that atleast few of us believe in caste less Hindu society. This is a good news! I believe that a strong movement is needed to take this message across length and breadth of India. I was born in an Arysamaji family and hence I never believed in caste system. I was introduced to the noble principle of universal brotherhood. It was good for me as an individual. However, one of the principle of Aryasamaj says "One should see one's own greatest welfare as residing in the welfare of others" http://aryasamaj101.googlepages.com/10principles
We can all write to these message boards to educate our fellow netizens. However, I feel that this is not enough. We should launch a movement to educate others so that Arysamaj movement comes at the centre stage. I have seen that Swami Agnivesh has already taken some steps in the right direction. One possibility is to contact him and do something serious about taking this movement forward. I have been shocked that Aryasamaj movement is not even known in certain parts of country and some people know about this noble institution through a single paragraph in history books. Maharishi Dayanand did not have the luxury of TV and Internet to take his message across. However, we have that luxury and we are duty bound to take his message of universal brotherhood to million of people.
