After spending sleepless nights over the arrest of terror suspect haneef, let us see how UPA govt deals with this.First signs have already come.They may start denying such a kidnap,even if it may be actually there.Please note that some months back a man called subramanyam has been killed after kidnapping and govt seldom did anything for his release.Govt of india should consider every citizens life as invaluable .Lets get that into our own mind and make politicians understand.Also some organization or somebody shoud start one to help those indians whom Indian govt neglects, so that the killed/kidnapped indian's family gets some sort of monetary benifits.The best way is to contact the MP sitting in parliament from that contituancy and ask him for help.If he dont next time he comes for voting in election tell him in his face"NO VOTE FOR YOU" Jai Hind
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by Sunil on Aug 04, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
Are you kidding? Why would they run to America to save the life of a Hindu (assuming it is a Hindu person)?? Indian Govt. won't do anything. They will just sit and keep taking bribes and think about how to appease Muslims even more. That's all they are good for.
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by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 04:49 AM Permalink
We should have tried a commando operation, 95% of the worlds countries didnt recognise the taliban as a government. We might have only been able to save a few hostages, but it would have at least sent a message that we wont tolerate this in the future. If nothinng else we should have let the hostages die if nothing else had worked. You dont release somebody like masood azhar under any reason. Beacause when it is all said and done he might be responsoible for more than 200 lives. I pray not but my prayers dont mean athing here. What we need is action and we just gave in and we sent a message that it is possible to pull this off again. Although I dont think India has anybody close to the devilish mind of Masood Azhar in any of our prisons right now. But a wrong message was sent to our army and our enemy in that sad episode.
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by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 04:56 AM Permalink
I may be selfish, but if my family was there I will not be happy for a commando operation if there is a possibility of failure and chance that large casualities will occur.
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by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
Points one and two I 100%agree with you.I have gone thru the chat with Mr.Gill which says cammando operation was difficult in this situation quote from KPS Gill "Mr K P S Gill (Tue Dec 28 1999 5:40 IST) Veekay, Since international relations and laws are involved, a commando operation is not feasible or possible without the fullest cooperation and clearance from the Taleban regime. However, as far as the physical feasibility of a commando operation is concerned, it could certainly be mounted at Kandahar. However, a repeat of an Entebbe type operation has to be ruled out because of the necessity to overfly Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan, and the enormous geopolitical instability of the South Asian region. Any such attempt would have unforeseen and complex consequences."
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by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 05:38 AM Permalink
We dont give the choice to families, thats why we elect the government. If I had a family member then i dont know if I would be saying the same thing, but it is the government that has to make a decision because they are the one who have all the information. For a lot of families Maulana Masood Azhar is just another person but our government and army knows what he can do. Ex- Parliament attack and july 11 directly attributed to masood. We can only learn from a lesson which is.
1/ Speed up the judiciary. Masood was arrested in early 90s why did we take so long. Our judges where busy taking bribes so didnt have the time to think about judgements.
2/ The captain himself requested in amristsar that somebody shoot a tire so the flight wouldnt go from there and we could have mounted an attack in a favorable situation. the government was too late to react.
3/ In Kabul every effort should have been taken to take a commando attack.
But the bottom line is dont release him for any reason. Becasue if you let it happen once it is bound to happen again.
This is what KPS gill was saying about this whole thing on rediff many years ago.
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by Hoodoo Hunter on Aug 04, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
u mean just kike the spineless people running to america for their living?
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by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
You are partially correct.The situation then was india had no diplomatic relations with the then taliban regime.and govt dont want to risk the life of fellow indians.Your are rt in saying the speeding of judicial process.
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by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 03:16 AM Permalink
So how is the BJP government not wanting to risk the life of fellow indians be different from what the congress might do if an indian was kidnapped. Both can be termed as spineless. Sometime when you are in power you have to take decisions that are unpopular but are the right thing to do. In kandahars case the right thing to do would have been to pay any money or do anything except release Massood Azhar because every indian strategist knows he is the number one India hater in the world and he has the resources to do a lot of damage. What BJP did was spineless they just didnt want to look like murderers they wanted to be heroes but will convince the families who lost their loved ones in the July 11 th bombins cause by massod azhar. Will vajpayee and advani beg for frgiveness to these families ? and what about the future what else is massod azhar going to do?
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by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 03:29 AM Permalink
The only other solution was a commando operation and it is possible if and only if that contriy's govt is permitting.Taliban has already stated they wont allow any commando operation.This means if india attacked them there is a good probability that all the passengers would have lost their lives .But now we have 4 or 5 consulates in afganisthan.The situation is totally different.Regarding masood Azhar govt should have killed him in at least in a fake encounter.
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by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 03:39 AM Permalink
Balamurali, So you release the leader of Jaish- e mohammed the most violent of kashmiri organizations. After Kandahar Jaish has killed scores and scores of Indian soldiers, add the july 11th bombings and the future is a open question? Jaish is our Al-Quaeda vis- a vis america and Masood Azhar i our Osama Bin Laden vis a vis america. I guarantee you masood is cleverer and worse than Osama. Do you think if an american flight was hijacked with 200 passengers George Bush will walk alongside bin laden and return him like advani did with masood. I am trying to talk some sense but you seem to be intensely protecting the BJP. What is going on here?
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by balamurali ramachandran on Aug 04, 2007 04:00 AM Permalink
What was the other option according to you if the then taliban regime refuse to accept money and release the plane?
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by indiman on Aug 04, 2007 02:18 AM Permalink
The BJP wasnt any different going by the spineless way they gave away Masood Azhar in the Kandahar hijacking as exchange for the passengers. Masood Azhar masterminded the July 11th bombings and what not in the future. India should never give in to future terorist demands and it should speed up the judicial process, why was he kept in prison for so long. He should have been sntenced to death long ago.
