This piece of information given by my guruji i am putting for awareness of readers and spreading truth which is the duty of every individual.If you read articles by swami dayanand saraswati and paramhansa yogananda, you will find this information similar:This is a truth that even today every religion decide the truth or untruth based on its religious holy book. This is also a well known fact & world accepts it that in the world's library (in Britain also)there are four Vedas as the ancient holy book of the world. Yajurveda chapter 31, Rigveda Mandal 10 sukta 129, Atharvaveda 8/11/3-6 & Saamveda 617 already say that the knowledge of four Vedas is direct from Almighty God at the time of creation. Knowledge can be given only when someone gives knowledge to others. That is why before more than 5000 years Rishi Patanjali told in Yog Shashtra Sutra 1/26 that almighty God is the Spiritual master of all human beings. In the Vedas there is no mention of any sects & caste system. We the mankind are the children of only one Almighty God, our father. Manu Smariti is also a holy book written by Manu after studying Vedas. Manu Smariti give the proof in its chapeter one that the present time of the Earth is 7th Manvanter uptil now 6 Manvanter have passed. Those are Swayambhar, Swarochish, Ottmi, Tamas, Ryivat & Chakshash, now its 7th Manvanter. 71 Chaturyugi=1 Manvanter. There are four Yug: Satyug, Treta, Dwapur & Kaliyug. Satyug = 17 lakhs 28 thousand years Treta = 12 lakhs 96 thousand years Dwapar = 8 lakhs 64 thousand years Kaliyug = 4 lakhs 32 thousand years
The total of four yugas comes to 43 lakhs & 20 thousand years which is equal to one Chaturyugi. 71 Chaturyugi i.e., 30 crore 67 lakhs & 20 thousand years equal to one Manvanter & 6 Manvanter have yet passed whose calculation comes to one Arab 84 crore 30 lakhs & 20 thousand years. This is 7th Manvanter & 28 Chaturyugi & the present Kaliyug has passed its time of 5002 years. So uptil now the age of the earth & Vedas is one Arab 96 crore 8 lakhs 53 thousands & 2 years. Bhagwat Geeta Shaloka 8/17 also says about this fact. ManuSmariti Shaloka 1/64 to 1/80 also says at that time there were no any sects or caste system. And there was no any word Hindu at that time.
The word Hindu is also not mentioned in holy books, Upnishads, Shashtras & Valmiki Ramayan, Shatpath Brahmin Granth etc. And in these holy books there is no any word Hindus or sects or caste system, where as it is clearly mentioned in every chapter of thereof that there is only one God of the Universe. Yajurveda chapter 31, Rigveda Mandal 10 Sukta 129 Mantra 1-6, Saam veda Mantra 11/8/3-6 says that this Universe including Earth and all human beings is the creation of one Almighty God. Manu Smariti Shaloka 1/21 also says that cow, horse, mankind etc., made by God and its name were made from Vedas. Shaloka 1/136-141 & 2/17 says that on whole of the Earth, the man & woman took birth only in Trivishtup.
Those who have good qualities they were named Arya and who were entangled in bad deeds were called Dasyu (dacoit or Asur). The whole of the mankind at that time were called Aryans and Dasyus accordingly. After so many years the Aryans came down and where they started living they name the place Aryavrat and long afterwards it was named as Bhartvarsh. Bharat means Vedvani that is Ved Mantras in four Vedas as mentioned in Rigveda Mantra 3/53/12. The meaning of said Mantra is that Almighty God does protection of all those who know and respect the Bhartam (Ved Mantras).
So untill the voice of four Vedas is there in Indians, there will be automatically protection from God because Ved Mantras is the knowledge originated in the heart of selected four pious souls of previous Earth at the time of the present creation, there names are Agni, Vaayu, Aaditya & Angira Rishi. Vedas are thus not books, this is knowledge generated in the heart of the said four Rishis.
Long after that is after one Arab & more than 86 crore years this knowledge which was being learned by heart generation to generation by mouth was written on Bhoj Patra by Vyas Muni & in 18th century it was published. Most of the Indians have forgotten this eternal & Supernatural Vedas knowledge wherein there is only one GOD of the Universe who creates, nurses &destroy the Universe & again after destroying HE creates again. This is faith on Vedas as is the faith of every man or woman in their respective religious book. The Aryavrat countries are is in North Himalaya, in South Vindhyachal, in East & west ocean & river Saraswati, in west Attak river & in east Drishdawati river which is originated from east Nepal mountain and goes to Assam(East Bengal) and from west of Burma to South ocean which is now called Brahmputra. From north moutains to south ocean where Attak river is mixed with ocean. From Himalaya Equator to moutains of south upto Rameshwar & in Vindhyachal the whole area was called Aryavrat country whose present name is Bhartvarsh or Hindustan or India in English. Mahabharta also tells about the same fact. In view of this it is proved that all mankind took birth in Tibet. And there was no any sect at that time.
Mahabharta or Bhagwat Geeta was written by Vyas Muni about 5084 years back. And Valmiki Ramayan was written about nine crore years back. In these authenticated holy books there is also no mention of any sect or caste system. We all mankind were called Aryans upto 5000 years back and thereafter too. The Indian philosophy who has given so many philosophies and views forbenefit of mankind and human beings uptil now. There were Takshila & Nalanda University where the students from all parts of the world used to come to study Vedas & other subjects. Those all were called Aryans at that time. First time Greeks & Unanis used the word Indu for Sindhu ocean and the public lived on the bank of Sindhu. Thereafter Arabians & inhabitants of Farasstarted saying word Hindi to the Aryans lived across Sindhu river. So whosoever was living across the Sindhu was called Indu. & now Hindu either Muslim, Christian etc. So Hindu word was used for all who lived across the Sindhu. When there was no any word Hindu except Aryans before 5000 years and thereafter too then it is clear that it is being used for the last 2-3 thousand years back.
Within these years too Islam, Jain, Bodh, Christianity, Sikh religion came into existence & who were after Vedas Shastras, Upanishads, Brahmin Granth, Bhagwat Geeta, Ramayan were studying as before have been named with word Hindu instead Aryans. Whole of the world knows about the fact of origin of these religions. So whole of the world can't be considered Hindu now at this belated stage. The study of all religions conclude that no any religion preach hate or war or quarrelling etc. Every religion speaks about love together, worship of one Almighty God, live and let live and to promote brotherhood internationally. The whole mankind thus try to remove the ravages of hatred at all level.
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by rashmi sahu on Apr 21, 2007 04:37 PM Permalink
Dear Sudhansu i knowpeople like u will find this funny , if the same information would have been given by a westerner in any university u would have said is that so.but now when i search on net i found most westerner more educated on sanatana dharma then indians.there is a magazine called hinduism today written by all western monks adopted hinduism,their monastery is in kuaii, similarly,atmajyoti ashram.b'coz this is atransition phase of india once it is over then we will awake to realise truth by then we west would have mastered this.My guru ji who is an engineer by profession from a forign university was asked to continue as a professor of hinduism in Ny but he refused.stilll in india you find true yogi's.Please do get reducated in your civilisation.First search for truth and then ridicule it.read autobiography of a yogi,vivekananda,sai babab, swami nityananda,swami ramtirth, ramkrishna paramhansa, mahavtar babaji and lahiri mahashya and then come back to me. All the best.
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 21, 2007 07:14 PM Permalink
Good explanation rashmi. Once a person experiences divnity, there exists no chance for any other doubt, but to accept the truth and follow. The truth is that GOD IS ONE, GOD IS GREAT & GOD IS EVERYWHERE. Until one experiences this truth by own experiencs, the maya or the satan or saitan mentioned in other texts will always trick one in to seeing the indivisible all pervading divinity as having divided. Just as the modern science re-affirmed that, material that the naked eyes see as individual entities, are in essence one and the same in their sub-atomic form.
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by surajit som on Apr 21, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
now mythology is one thing, science is another. the clash between religion and science is very very old.in america ,many die-hard chritians wont believe evolution even today . some of them even want it to be stamped out of text books!!! yes believe it or not.
the above comment completely negates evolution. what are we to accept-evolution of pure mythology? one must hasten to add another clarification. mythology,religion ,history etc are not identical but they tend to coalesce togather. take moses' life , ramayana ,mahabharata for example. and this has caused enormous problem for mankind(take contemporary ayodhya for example). the best solution would be to separate mythology, religion, history, science etc . but the above article indicates that that would never be possible and therein lies the danger.
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by sudhanshu shekhar singh on Apr 21, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
Seriously, no offense intended, but I knew people like you, with an engineer guru ji from some foreign university, could not have reacted in any other way. I also had a guruji at one time. He too was an great researcher (Believe me, he was a B Tech from IIT, did his PHD from a top US university, had been among leading researcher in Computational Fluid Dynamics in the world at one time). He seemed to be a great soul. even after experiencing the best physical life one would imagine, and being capable of earning a lot of money, his only priorities were spiritual. I was very much impressed by him. He also told me all the history you wrote in our comment..and even more. He even told the future as predicted by the scriptures, till the advent of lord Kalki and finishing every thing up. I did not find all that funny at that time. I was very serious about spiritual life. And tried very hard, and very sincerely to completely assimilate it. He also said the same thing - you can not know what spiritual life is unless you get into it. No one an explain it from outside, you have to see it from inside to know what it is. And I did that. After spending two years in trying to be spiritual, I realized all he was doing was to recondition my mind, from its material state to a spiritual state by putting the right kind if thoughts in it. All he was doing was to recondition my mind to accept everything that his cult thought was true. But I guess I was too free spirited to be bogged down the rules of that so called spiritual life. I found it too much against by true basic human nature. In an attempt to get closer to god, in an attempt to get closer to the truth which nobody really knows, I was going farther and farther away from the realty, that I am a human. After two years I realized that things were getting too dogmatic, and I was easily accepting those dogmatic ideas, which I would have never accepted if he had not conditioned my mind for it. I just looked at myself once, as an outsider, what I was before, and what I had become. I was essentially the same person inside. Just the way I represented myself to the outside world had changed. I was the same person, with or without god. I realized that I did not need it at all to be good person, and hence left it. And do you know why I got interested in that stuff in the first place, because when I first heard of it, I was just eighteen, and had never seen any other paradigm of life but the prevalent material one. I found their ideas very interesting. just like you, they also said "if the same information would have been given by a westerner in any university u would have said is that so". They said that everything we see around is created by something. How could the world have been produced by a big bang. they gave me all sorts of interesting argument like that. And I was convinced. They said that perfect knowledge can be imparted only by someone who has it. And it has to travel in disciplic succession. With the limited capacity human mind, we can never decipher all the mysteried of nature. We can know them only when the one who created it (god) explains it to us. And to test its truthfulness, one has to follow it, there is no other way. I decided to follow it. I decided to be proud of the spiritual culture that India has for so many years and follow it. But later on, when I looked at it as an outsider, leaving aside my positive bias towards him, I realized that he did not really convince me about the correctness of his way of life. He convinced me of the uselessness/futility of the material I had before I came to him. All he said about spiritual life was that it is sublime, and I can understand it only once I am in it. I realized what a trap it was. The power of control over minds of people is very alluring, even more that that of money or political power. Thats what the guy was doing. Misleading young, impressionable minds to increase his and his cult's influence. thats what all these guyz do. They seem to be very logical, very nice, they talk of making you nice people, of making you god's people (Well, they have to offer something alluring, otherwise no one would follow their unnatural suppressive life style), but they are just trapping you. We humans have fears, we are very afraid of the unknown. these guyz take advantage of it. Just think about it once. Nobody knows what the absolute truth is. Some people claim they have seen it, but the claim can not be tested. When you go to these people, first they give very convincing arguments about the futility of material life, then they train your mind to accept their philosophy. You see other people following their philosophy, they all seem to be following it so well, you think you are the only fallen one who is unable to follow the right thing. You feel wretched, and vow to follow your guru's teaching even more strongly. every time this happens, your gurus hold on your mind becomes stronger. When you get deep into it, you become friends with other guyz, who seemed to be following it so well, you find that they have their own problems. even they havent realized god, but they believe that the guru has, and following him, they also will. But the fact is, you never come across people have attained the truth, accept your guru and some of his closest people. Others only feel the ecstasy sometimes. Read about/experience hypnosis, and you will know what it is. I have experienced hypnosis, I know what it is. I do not know how you will react to it, but thats the way I feel about these things. Its good to be connected to your roots. I am an Indian, sone of Mr so and so, a hindu by birth etc. But these are facts about me, which are not in my control. They can be used to track me physically, these do not define me. they are a part of me being, but not my identity. It is what I do that defines me, not the physical facts about me. When One starts confusing these things with his identity, one becomes vulnerable target people who like to control other's minds.
See, no body do really knows the truth about the absolute truth. One can not be logically sure about the right way of life. One can put faith in anything one wants, and follow it through out his life. What one can be sure about is this life one has - one has to decide himself what he wants to do. Going just by logic, not by any faith, nobody knows what will happen if me and you follow any religion or not. It doesn't even matter, i guess. As far as western people adopting indian ideas is concerned, well Yoga is definitely a good thing, and it is bound be popular on the whole earth. as far their their following Sanatan dharma is concerned, well, they are as susceptible to falling it these spiritual traps as we are, they are also humans.
Some last notes: I do not like anybody preaching his lifestyle to me, or me preaching mine to others. But when I see such things as you comment written for public viewing, I feel compelled to present my side of it to people. People should know the tricks commonly used by religious sects/cults to trap them. So that they do not get trapped, instead they are able to do what they wanna do, with an open mind.
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by surajit som on Apr 22, 2007 12:18 AM Permalink
the comment is an eye opener.
people may remember the waco massacre in the usa. the guru,david koresh, could recite the Bible by heart. he had a huge following. ultimately there was a clash with the state. all of the followers died in a horrifying clash.it was found out later(?), among other facts, ,that the Bible-clutching Guru was regularly bedding his unsuspecting young female followers. then there was one in Guyana where literally thousands were forced to committ suicide. the list is endless. so much about the modern day gurus. many of them would put Hitler's Secret Service to shame when it comes to control people. at least hitler did it in the name of the State. many modern day gurus do it only for themselves.
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 22, 2007 02:17 AM Permalink
DEAR SUDHANSHU, YOUR TRUST SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN MISUSED BY YOUR GURUJI OR SPIRITUAL GUIDE. I AM SORRY FOR THIS THAT YOU HAD TO ENCOUNTER A FALSE OR HALF KNOWLEDGED GURU OR MASTER. I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. I THINK, once you read the book "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA, YOU WILL FIND GOD and even experience ALL PERVADING DIVINITY. THIS WILL END ALL OF YOUR THIRST FOR THE SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE OR ENLIGHTMENT. Here is the free online version of the book:
I can stand-by of what I am saying here to you. I am not using any fake ID to post this posting. Out of my own spiritual experiences and out of my own life experiences, I am telling this to you. Please read the book. This is also available in most book stores and in major indian languages and also in world languages. Here is the acclaims that this book gathered from the western world, that is known for its way of adopting by way of testing and not just by faith.
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by stav on Apr 25, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
hey i read that book you are stating, it was wonderful all this yuga stuff made much more sense after reading Autobiography of a yogi. I find these enormously large conventional time scales which match up with the life of earth itself rather stupid. The time scale correction in Autobiography of a Yogi is the only sensible ans scientific time scale i think and it also matches up with evolution of known history. it seems this error in number also came up in Kali Yuga according to this book.Good you mention this, hope more people read it.
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by sudhanshu shekhar singh on Apr 22, 2007 03:09 AM Permalink
I will definitely read the book...but with a skeptic approach. I do not find any spiritual ideas appealing anymore. Anything that i think is not in harmony with my human nature, i disregard as crap. I no longer desire to become a great person, I am satisfied in being an ordinary one.
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 22, 2007 06:53 AM Permalink
Dear Sudhanshu, thanks a lot. My sincere advice to you and to anyone is to experiment and test and only then accept something or someones words especially related to spirituality. Also, one more thing is to keep the mind calm all the times, no matter what happens. Disturbed mind doesnot even be able to solve the obvious of the worldly problems. Then, how can a disturbed mind be able to solve the problems like that of life and death, secrets of the subtler worlds, and that of the divinity e.t.c. The more ones mind is calmed down, the more that one will start understanding the true nature of self and also that of the all pervading nature of divinity. Infact, the entire religions and spiritual practices are aimed at this single most objective of calming down the mind.
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by rashmi sahu on Apr 22, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
Dear sudhansu , hai in india and in this world there are many people who fool you on the name of religion and spirituality.i agree with you, but this was always there but more in kaliyug, till the the time you really meet somebody trually spiritual and gyani.You can not measure every body by the same yard stick.we all are educated god has given the highest intellect to human beings but under the veil of maya and ignorance we all commit sins and spread false hood we all should stop sdpreading falsehood and promoting truth.To learn authentic things learn sanskrit and have pure heart and finally pray god to give you a spiritual benefactor.Every soul in the process of evolution has to realise god and you too will meet your guru i am sure.I have also experienced all these things in life but my faith in god was never diminished and will never how many people will come and deceive me or bad experience i know till the time you follow ethical standards and purity in life you are protected by God , he will protect u even u r asinner just you have to rely on him.Just refer this site www.vedmandir.come.Further you are well off try to get knowledge on net search for truth and truth will come to u.May god bless u in your endeavours.
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by sudhanshu shekhar singh on Apr 22, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
Well..the fact is, I never really believed in god. Just look around you. There are all kinds of people out there in world. Some believe in god, some do not. Some are very good, some are not that good Nobody has a perfect life. some are attached to mundane/material desires, some to spiritual - but all have desires. When the desires are unfulfilled, everybody feels bad. Some just can never come out of it. Some learn to leave the past behind and proceed with life expecting a better future.
I do not really know what is tight and what is wrong. Nobody knows that. everybody's right and wrong depend on his conditioning. What I know is that I am not interested in any sort divine things. I believe, that divinity is the greatest illusion of all. I am happy in being an ordinary human. I do not want to follow any religion or spiritual ideology. They are confusing. If all the religions preach the same thing, then why are there so many religions. Not only many religions, so many sects within each religion. All of them think they are right, and in public, say that every other one is also right. then why dont they just dissolve these differences and make it all one thing. If they believe that all the the means to same end, why do they try to preach their thing to people and convert them? In theory, each religion is great. why in practice does they get so much distorted?
I guess this page will not up for long, so reply to me at sudhanshu.shekhar.singh @ gmail.com
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by sridhar gorantla on Apr 22, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
Dear sudhanshu, the problems that we face in this world due to multiple religions clashing is purely because of half knowledged people trying to lead others. Its like a blind trying to lead other blind ones. This will only lead to even more chaos. In indian vedic traditions, there are clear directions on evaluating the spiritual enlightment of a person. These evaluations are done purely based on the experiences one attains in his/her spiritual endaveors and nothing else. Once a person experiences the divinity, everything will be clear. This will remove all the confusion that ne otherwise sees in the world. Read the book. I think, you will start seeing things clearly.
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by rajesh bsr on Apr 23, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
good one mr. singh.very good observation or realization I must say.the particular sentence which you'v said was one of the greatest fact one has to realise. "The power of control over minds of people is very alluring, even more that that of money or political power." it's purely a selfish deed. It's very important that unknowigly they should realise that they are giving birth to fundamentalist,revolutanaries missionarie & so on... In the end only hate prevails. real love is disappeared amoung humans.
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by deleep s on Apr 25, 2007 02:40 AM Permalink
Mr Singh...Very well written, but I must mention this, you were a victim here who trusted your guru... It's a perfect time to mention this saying by buddha "You don't need to a guru to be know about self-realization. A so called guru/saint is all human and his views/opinions could also be wrong. Self realization is something which must be attained by your own self, not by seeking a guru". Once you've reach a stage you will be able to realise the person who knows most. Then you will be able to follow him.
Please remember, to attain spiritual bliss you need to find answers to your questions of your own. A guru is one who just shows the path.
Buddha, vivekanandha, ramakrishna, adi shankara, ramana etc...became great people cos they sought the answers of their own. Learnt them from nature. The human mind has all the answers. We just need to self-introspect ourselves...
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by sudhanshu shekhar singh on Apr 25, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
Sure it does. after my misadventure with spirituality, I decided to put effort in understanding myself, by myself. I guess once one starts understanding himself, he can put everything into the right perspective. Before trying to comprehend god/absolute truth, one needs o comprehend himself. Introspection is the only way to do that. One might read infinite scriptures, might follow infinite rituals, might listen infinite satsang, but unless thats useless unless one understands himself.
