I didn't get the whole point. why should there be a controversy over Vandemataram at the first place? Why should somebody be against a song which praises the motherland? And talking people like mulayam singh or Arjun Singh or etc, I am really surprised to see that the country still treats these people as human beings.
RE:Vandematarm
by khaleel on Aug 27, 2006 05:01 AM Permalink
hi,
i am an indian muslim living in britain. mind u people, i call myself still an indian, though i am far from my country. inside me there is a heart which can only love my mother land no matter where i am and i still care for my people, whether they r muslims or hindus they r mine and i dont have to sing a song to prove it. i take great pride in saying that india is a democracy, unlike our neighbours. and people have the freedom to practice what they like and nothing is imposed upon anybody and this great traditon should follow no matter what the leaders say in the media for getting publicity, they rake up issues which wont take us anywhere. what i request my fellow indians is that u should take up issues which bind us and which will help to bring communities together but not something that divides us. if u people think that only a song can stir up patriotic feelings then i think otherwise, the mere mentioning of the name of my country is enough for me. its from inside me and it wont change whehther i sing a song or not.
RE:Vandematarm
by Ami on Aug 25, 2006 06:29 PM Permalink
Dear All
Please don't waste ur time in teasing Religions. all religions in the world are great and all of them hv tought us to love the mother land . Islam has given the lesson of loving the Country (Motherland).and please do not point out any thing about any one's religion if u don't know the teachings of the same. some said that its your religion(Islam) who always raise the objection for every thing . I would like to tell that Islam is a universal Religion in the world and the biggest differnce is Islam is a natural religion i.e not designed by any Human . It is Religion of Allah who has given This religion by sending the Messengers in this world. every thing is defined in Islam if something is against that, than we should raise an Objection . if Nothing is against ur religion than its ur fault that nothing is defined . and other religion can not be campared with Islam because Islam is well defined religon and have its own rules and regulation for its belivers if ur are not provided with rules and regulation by ur religion than it is shamefull. raising an Objection is common for every religion . Eating of Cow is illegal and it is not allwed by Holy Hindu Relegion &can raise .
RE:Vandematarm
by Neil Razdan on Aug 31, 2006 06:42 AM Permalink
Imam Bukhari, and all his followers always come up with anti-national statements. First of all, Vande Mataram is to pay respect to our Motherland, and it praises the Motherland. It DOES NOT bows in front of \"Durga\". Mother India is being praised as \"Durga\" (Durga is being referenced only as an Adjective here). Saying that the song is worshipping Durga is a big mistake. And I still have not seen anybody replying to my question - Why Pakistani army personnel salute the Flag, or even the President who is a human? Should muslims in Indian Armed Fources not salute Indian Flag, or Indian President, Prime Minister, or their superiors? The flags of the country represent the country, Head of States represent the country and its government also. If this is okay, then why this hoopla about singing Vande Mataram. The point is not that by not singing Vande Mataram, muslims will become traitors or anti India, the point is, every time they come up with one thing or the other that goes agains the sentiment of Indianness. Nobody is asking them to go to temples and worship gods and goddesses. And if singing Vande Mataram is anti Islam, then we don\'t want to hear Azaan on loudspeekers either.
RE:Vandematarm
by anand on Aug 25, 2006 03:35 PM Permalink
Hey Ajaysinh Rathore,
YOU are the people who are enemies of the unity of the country. What gives u the right to call an Ahmed a terrorist? It's too easy to point the finger at someone. It's the land of liberty. If we create a song now saying it's for the good of India, and that hindu gods who get milk- baths, rather than poor malnourished children getting to drink it, should be ignored, will you agree? Feeding our young and their welfare is the top priority of the country. Show ur patriotism through acts of protecting public welfare, women, children from exploitation, and not about a song. There are 100s of bollywood songs about 'patriotism' for fake-machos like u, sing all of them, and feel proud, without doing anything on ur own! Wake up and let people be themselves, DO something for the country, set an example and then ask Ahmad to follow.
RE:Vandematarm
by kamaal on Aug 24, 2006 11:56 PM Permalink
He dude, its me again
Praising and worshipping are different things. I will Praise my motherland India as " Saare Jahaan se acha Hindustan hamaara Ham Bulbule hain iske, ye gulsitaan hamaara" But never ever will worship India, it is not required for me to do. do you have any problem in it? Yes, you'll have. You just want to confront minority in any possible way you can. If any politician, whatever their reason is, tries to support muslims, you brand them as vote-seeking. But man, how much you want, you cannot tell us what to do, don't even try to do that. And finally, brother, India is a democracy, and you should respect other's beliefs and views. By forcing your views and confronting others, you are proving that you are the biggest traitor. Thanks!!!!
RE:Vandematarm
by Sumit Chhabra on Sep 01, 2006 08:45 PM Permalink
Religion was created to divide uneducated people and rule them. The ones who created religion did it for the purpose of feeling powerful, being followed, becoming popular and basically exploting the idiots for their own benefits.
So if you are educated, take this religion crap out of your mind. It does not matter what religion you are from, they all stem from the same cause as mentioned above. To hell with the Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Parsi, Christian, etc. religions, they don't teach you jack, there is only one truth and that is -there is GOD and he does not give a rat's asssss for your religion.
So pls guys rise above this......but again if you are uneducated, its not your fault, you may continue.
India comes before everything, even before your parents and relatives. You should be ready to disown your own mother if she is 'in the wrong' when it comes to India.
whether a song is in hindi, urdu or gurbani, if it is considered a national song, you must SING or LEAVE, its that simple and pls grow above religion.
Pls do not play into the hands of fanatics whether they are Hindu or Muslim.... there is a reason why we call them that.... pls show that u are educated
RE:Vandematarm
by Deepa on Sep 01, 2006 03:17 PM Permalink
Mr Kamal wrote: ----------- Praising and worshipping are different things. I will Praise my motherland India as " Saare Jahaan se acha Hindustan hamaara Ham Bulbule hain iske, ye gulsitaan hamaara" But never ever will worship India, it is not required for me to do. -------------- Even Bhagavat Gita says never to bow before anyone other than the Almighty. But I don't mind bowing before my motherland. I can only pray... "Eswar Allah tere naam Sabko Sanmati de bhagvaan"
RE:Vandematarm
by jassi on Sep 02, 2006 07:10 PM Permalink
Youa re right Deepa - The true colors of the Islamic Fanatics are shown here when they chose religion over the nation. If there is another war between India and Pakistn, these zealits dont mind supporting Pakis since "their religion says so" - To take a hike Kamaal, Assad and their likes
RE:Vandematarm
by Assad Al-Hind on Aug 27, 2006 05:35 AM Permalink
@ Punjkaj panda(or whatever)... First, who are you to ask anyone to leave India...you sound more like a traitor, an extremist hindutva zealot of the RSS/VHP type trying to impose their religion on all of India! It is people like you who should be kicked out of India for your fascist ideaology! It is not a Muslim or Christian who is trying to impose anything on others, it is people like you who are imposing a Hindu Bhajan on Indians of all religions! Yes, Vande mataram is a Bhajan, a hymn for your goddess durga. Go read the history of the song and its writer! The song itself down the stanzas mentions durga by name! The whole issue of the song is hindutva zealots like you trying to impose an unacceptable religious hymn on the secular and democratic people of India. The good news is people like you are far outnumbered by true Indians who respect each others religion. So go take a hike!
RE:Vandematarm
by mun on Sep 04, 2006 10:42 PM Permalink
I dont know why we are supporting that which we cannot understand. Tell me how many people understand sanskrit 5%, 7% or 10%. How many people can undertand bangali 10% 20% or 30% not more then that but most of us can undersatnd urdu/hindi may be 80% 90% people understand hindi. It is our national langauge too so why we are not accepting "saare jahan se accha hindustaan hamara" as national song. Let people understand what they are singing or what they are listing.
RE:Vandematarm
by NAG on Aug 29, 2006 10:22 AM Permalink
@Assad Al-Hind ....
MAN, don't use religion names...when ur talking. We are educateds....we need to build the country ...Don't ever try to use any religion name while talking ...
