For most of them, it was their last WC series... They just wanted to show-up to gain more advertising offers when they retire, which yielded India only one victory (that too again Bermuda, the team which can even be defeated by Veteran Indian Team).
Next is sachin... NO... HE IS NOT GOING TO ANNOUCE HIS RETIREMENT... He will not leave the team because of such a drastic situation... because that will be a black mark of his career and affect all his upcoming ad campaigns...
So What Next... "Arrange a ODI Series with Bangladesh"... Smash them and white wash the series... POOR INDIAN CRICKET FANS will forgive & forget the world cup tragedy...
Then the so called Super Stars will retire... (They will retire only with good name & in a winning game)...
I think Chappel is just trying to save himself from the harsh criticism that he'll be facing after coming back to India. Thats why he is trying to find a scapegoat. I strongly believe that whatever he said is right, but the timing is not right. Had he said this in his autobiography 10 yrs down the line then it would have been okay.
When Chappel joined the Indian team as a coach couple of yrs back, he tried to impress everyone by giving 'Vision World Cup 2007'. He kept experimenting and kept losing matches. He then safeguarded himself from the criticisms of losing by saying that his main aim is to get world cup for India. Great planning.
Where do we stand after all this, we lost lot of matches in the last 2 yrs as well as didnt qualify for the Super 8s.
Chappel can be forgiven for all his experimentation prior to the World cup but he should not be forgiven for this pathetic performance of the Indian team in the world cup.
RE:Chappel just trying to save himself
by anuj kumbhat on Mar 28, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
Can't help if left parties and pawar weren't patient enough with young players! Huge uproar in parliament resulted in change in team selection. As an Indian Fan I only want that "if we have to loose, we want loose with a young team". There are two advantages - young ones will get required exposure and BCCI can save its back by saying "we fielded a completely inexperienced team".
RE:Chappel just trying to save himself
by VSS on Mar 28, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
Dude, What r u talking. Why do he has to lie. Everyone saw how pathetic the seniors have played. If bob woolmer can't do wonders with pakistan even after working with them for 4 yrs..then how can u expect chappel to do miracles that too with a team which is not his choice. It is something like giving a lame horse to a good jockey and then sacking the jockey just becoz the lame horse didn't win the race. Mind u, chappel has asked for a young horse with fit legs..if not a win atleast it wud have given a fight worth watchful.
RE:Chappel just trying to save himself
by sumit sharma on Mar 28, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
Dude I totally agree with u. These senior players should be sacked for their performance.
RE:Chappel just trying to save himself
by shankar venkat on Mar 28, 2007 03:13 PM Permalink
You are bang on! Chappel has time and again has asked for young legs. What we gave him was ancient legs who cannot even walk. Forget taking quick singles. they don't even want to play. They just wanted to get out and sit in the dressing room and warm the chairs there. Seniors and Juniors divide is very much in the indian team. We shoudl throw the Seniors out and show them they are despensible and not dependable any more. Our BIG MATCH PLAYER - SACHIN played one BIGGGGG innings against BERMUDA. And got a hundred against his name and a few brand endorsements as well. I do not understand why is he playing now. It's time that he should make way for young guns who are much better than him. Dravid - a good fellow- but good fellow does not win matches. You need to be agressive and if your interpersonal skills are bad, you cannot lead a bunch of 15 players. No one will listen to you. A scenario which is encountered every day by us whether in office of out of office. With Dravid as captain, i do not see India winning matches. Even if you have Dave Whatmore (current coach of Bangladesh) or Viv Richards as coach. It does not make any difference to the indian team. Chappel must be fuming now. But he was very clear with what he wanted as a team. As long as Sehwag was persisted with, India is bound to lose more matches. Kick all the old and ancient legs and get some fresh legs who can atleast run. Even if we lose, it's worth that gamble than playing these old horses!!!
RE:Chappel just trying to save himself
by manoj bistania on Mar 28, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
All folks, just answer me one Q, When Mr. Chappel had done no miracle, fetched no output from the young legs, like Kaif, Suresh Raina then hw wd u expect that he can give u dream team full of young players. And I think he is a coach and it shd be his ability to take out the goods from the players but in contrary the players lost wht they knows before, like Pathan. Its a collective failure but Mr coach hv to accept his failure..........
For a year, Chappell got everything he wanted. Then, his team lost 4-1 against W. Indies, made 1st round exit in DLF cup as well as the Champion's trophy and was whitewashed 4-0 in S. Africa. After that, any sensible selector CANNOT give him free hand. And who all were included against his will and who were excluded? Of course, he didn't want Ganguly and Zaheer. But after their performance silenced him, he rather TOOK CREDIT for making them what they were! He never opposed their inclusion in world cup. Then, what did he grumble about? Suresh Raina, in stead of Sehwag and Power, in stead of Kumble. Could that make any difference? Incidentally, Sehwag top-scored for India in world cup and Raina, who had failed match after match, has an overall average of 27 and away average 18! I never heard anyone (other than wicket-keeper) being included for fielding alone, not even Jonty Rhodes. But Guru Greg wanted that! Then, Power, if included, would have warmed the benches as Kumble did. So, had he been listened to, what difference would have it made? In stead of giving excuses, he should learn from Moody. That man didn't talk big about "process", didn't wage war against the "seniors". Rather, he picked up the best team and trained them as best as he could. "Aging" Sri Lanka, with Jaysurya (38), Atapattu (35), Murali (35), Arnold (34) and Vaas (33) has given a drubbing to India. Under Moody, even a lousy Murali had taken that astounding catch. Talking big about youth is one thing and spotting, grooming young talents is another (and more difficult) task. Till Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid and Sehwag continue to score much more than Raina, Karthik, Uthappa, the former will occupy the positions whether anybody likes it or not. That happens to all teams. Chappell had a number of budding talents at his disposal. He groomed very few, destroyed many more. And the situation will remain the same, till he is told a polite "thank you!"
RE:Chappell's SMS
by VSS on Mar 28, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
""He groomed very few, destroyed many more"". I cleary understood that U r referring to ganguly. Nothing much has changed since his return except that the fielding starndards have gone down a bit. He played for himself and score a few 50's to save his place. If bob woolmer who coached for 4 yrs couldn't help pakistan then how wud u expect chappel who coached just for 18 mths to do miracles. When john wright was coach..it was ganguly and dalmiya who selected the team. Not the coach or selectors. It was becoz of the performances of dravid,laxman, yuvraj, kaif, balaji ..india has excelled. no credit goes for ganguly or john wright. john is a very dumb coach who just nodded to whatever dalmiya or ganguly has to say.
RE:RE:Chappell's SMS
by Ppt on Mar 28, 2007 03:35 PM Permalink
Ah! nothing much has changed .... kya baat hai bhai.... i) His return saw Team India averting a clean sweap ii) Smashing win against the lankans just before they were flying to fight for WC-07 iii) "Man of the series" after coming back after 15 odd months
Aur kuch batana parega kya bhai?
Dude can you answer these few questions please:- i) He tried to do lot many experiments with Irfaan Pathaan..where was he during the matches?
ii) The visible strenght is batting... God favored by awarding you the toss ...then why Dravid quickly said "We will field" ....
iii) Dravid the great wall.... never came to number 1 position ....
RE:Chappell's SMS
by VSS on Mar 28, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
India can win matches, if they groom match winners like dhoni,karthick who have shown lot of maturity in crunch situations and saved india from defeat. Except for that one innings where he single handedly won the match in sharjah ..sachin never played responsibly in crunch situations. He always chokes on big occassions. He might have scored max hundred and runs..but still, he doesn't have the potential to consume pressure and win matches for india. The problem with india is..it appreciate only the top order bats who score hundreds..while the one in lower order are the real hardworkers who always r discriminated.
RE:Chappell's SMS
by nikita bhatia on Mar 28, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Why the feeling is that you poeple start with Saurav & end with Saurav only?? Pl come out from such thought & give your opinion in a appropriate way. Thanks
RE:Chappell's SMS
by Rehan Khan on Mar 28, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
To Nikita My opnion
The much-awaited wedding of Abhishek Bachchan and Aishwarya Rai will take place on April 20. It will be a small family affair.
"The families met and the decision was taken yesterday," a source told PTI. "The wedding will be a small private affair with only close family and friends in attendence. It will be held at the Bachchans' residence in Juhu (a Mumbai suburb)."
Media speculation on the wedding date has been high ever since the couple got engaged on January 14.
Let it be any coach or player, INDIA has never been/can never be constistent. Take any game INDIA has never been dominating, they won matches in patches. So dont take them personally. Just enjoy when they win
RE:Hard truth
by on Mar 28, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
What perfect bee desai, its not ppl like sen but sadastic genius like you who give spur to such touching issue.... sen has highlighted the fact and ppl like you should be man enough to digest the fact .... sen koo baad mein sikhana phale get your basic right you baffon... pagal admi (I don't know if I got that gender right for you) its becasue of this hero we gave a smashing defeat to lankan's just before team India left for WC -07 and its onl becasue of him that team India could show some resolute during the recently concluded South African series (test match) ....stop living in a fool's paradise !!
the coach in the context of the Indian team is nothing more than a showpiece.
Take the context
The selectors pick a team that is suites to their interests
You burden the team with a bunch of depleted old guys and some of the captains favorites who are exhuasted and have little to contribute (sachin tendulkar and Harbajan singh are examples)
Others in the team are concerned about the endorsements and on making the most of their dwindling careers. What do they do - Try save their their skin with a one off performance that serves the team no good rather - Case in point Ganguly and Sehvag
Predictably the team gets the results it deserved
Whats Chappel got to do with this mess, If the coach needs to take ownership so do the selectors. Would they be prepared to step down if Chappel is removed... Naaaaaaah I dont think so
The best option would be to persist with Chappel and give him a free reign, that would bring in the results
RE:why make chappel the scapegoat
by manoj bistania on Mar 28, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
So u mean that a coach work limits till team selection and nothing after to motivate or train the players...............so it would be applied to every player too, if the player is not sent as per his desired order then he also cant perform and then u cant blame him........good way to hide ur mistakes
We all know that it will be a while before we forget our sad exit from the WC.
But to put things in perspective, after seeing SA, NZ and AUS play do we really think we stood a chance even if we had qualified for the SUPER 8's.
All the teams I have mentioned are playing cricket at a completely different level, batsmen from SA and AUS have proved that big shots matter but what matters most is the singles and the twos , everytime a ball is hit in the gaps they are up for two immediately , how many of our stars can truly run or have the will to run singles????
With context to the Bangladesh game, one inings has 300 balls and our innings had 150 dot balls , how on earth can you put up any score of any respectability if you have 150 dot balls ,,,, even if we had scored 55 from the 150 dot balls we could have won the game.
Our approach and our attitude was and has been lacking for a while now,, I dont see any major changes happening in the team we will go along with these same stars , with a few scapegoats, im certain Mr. Uthappa will be shown the door and Kumble is retiring so you have two changes that are easily justified , Agarkar mmmm might be out but not for long
We will go to Bangladesh in May trounce them (hopefully) and everything will be forgotten
I think the pathetic Indian Cricket team performance can not be blamed of selection issues.
IS THIS CHAPPELWAY?
If Chappel failed to impress the Captain and Selectors, on the choice of players they should take in the world cup, then its a SERIOUS problem. In this scenario we can not expect more that what is achieved by Team India (exit before super-8). Moreover this was not the Chappelway, we know.
BANKING ON YOUNGSTERS
The youngsters failed to show repeatedly, on the numerous opportunities given to them. So Chappen any way, can not get favors banking on them.
THEN WAHT ARE THE REASONS??
Probably, the team is failed in AAPLYING THE CRICKET BASICS. Not rotating the strike, allergic in running between the wickets, great players playing for themselves, Dravid's failure as a leader and MOST IMPORTANTLY, not showing sense of urgency and die hard attitude towards respecting the TRICOLOR.
SOLUTIONS
Send a strong message to those, who should have taken responsibility/mentoring role and they failed in creating IMPACT (Sachin, Saurav, Sehwag, Dravid, Agarkar, Harbhajan). If allowed to play further, we are going to have repeatedly the similar episodes in future.
Get systems right, get people involved, who speak their mind and do not avert taking tough decisions.
RE:This is not the CHAPPELWAY
by madan prabhu on Mar 28, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
The Team tried too much of basics.As seen during recent time the way the game was played has changed.We still cannot bank on our old basics.
Trying to put your head down and stick to the wicket till the 40th over and then throwing the wicket to catch up on the runrate is not a good strategy at all.
The attitude that indians showed was very poor.They were on the defensive right from day one.No aggression and this is mainly due to the presence of vintage players.
RE:No Coach!
by manoj bistania on Mar 28, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
That is the main thing, no one has PASSION for the game and they are just doing it like sarkari babus are doing their job. If passion was ther in them na then they would have felt more BAD than us on this exit from WC, but they are commenting to hide themselves..........
People whose diet contains emotion cannot digest intelligence. Thats why they chant Sachin, Sourav etc..These people would have been thrown long back if it was some other country. Greg chappel and Dravid should be retained for the good of Indian cricket. Ganguly, Sachin, Agarkar, and Bhajji should be shown the door.
RE:Intelligence and Indian fans
by Neo Prince on Mar 28, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
Same sentiments exactly, Sir.
It's like blame and bash the teacher, if the child fails in the exams!!
How come people do not see the HIGH-HANDEDNESS of the seniors, in the statement "Even in the last selection meeting, I fought for youth. The senior players fought against it and the chairman went with them out of fear of media, if youth did not perform,"
RE:Intelligence and Indian fans
by Rehan Khan on Mar 28, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
To Dr Shivago But sir Sachin & Sourav has better batting average then Dravid and number of match experience is more then Greg Chappel
RE:Intelligence and Indian fans
by Pankaj Kapoor on Mar 28, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
Mr. Rehan, hi how r u. i hope u r fine there.
Just remember Ind played agst. B'desh Saurav Ganguly made 66 runs in 129 balls. Saurav Ganguly cannot convert a single into twos, twos into threes. I m sorry but he is not physically fit to play cricket. We have selected 15 players for WC. But as per media reports, out of 15 players, 8 are not fit. How can u expect them to reach in super8. Rahul Dravid said absolutely right in a press confrence after loosing agst. SL "WE DID NOT DESERVE TO WIN". So, pls. think about the reality.
RE:Intelligence and Indian fans
by Ppt on Mar 28, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
Pankaj babau ....dada nee to 68 bana bhi liya ...aur kisne kitna banaya ....kya chate hoo India 100 run bhi naa bana paye kya ?
RE:Intelligence and Indian fans
by Pankaj Kapoor on Mar 28, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Sir, pls. do not misunderstand me. I have just spoken that ganguly made 68 runs in 129 balls, which means he is not playing good cricket. They are/were playing WC n not a test match. I am not talking about others. I am talking about those such players, who r not physically fit but playing ODI. As per media reports, out of 15 players in WC, 8 players are not physically fit to play cricket. I am not targeting ganguly. I am only saying that about his running between the wkt. is not so good. u know the singles are very impt. in ODIs. Every player should know his job in the team. Everyone play their natural game. There is no need to do make himeself/themselves in so much underpressure. Thats it Sir.....
RE:Intelligence and Indian fans
by nikita bhatia on Mar 28, 2007 02:35 PM Permalink
You are absoletely correct Dr Saheb.I want to add one more thing on your observation. The Basic difference between Australian & Indian Cricket is that, Australian Cricket retires when they are on Peek whereas our cricketer will remain liability on the team & they will leave cricket only on kiked out as the case with Ganguly, Sachin,Agarkar & Kumble.
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by Pankaj Kapoor on Mar 28, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
U R ABSOLUTELY RIGHT MS. NIKITA BHATIA. I AM 100% AGREE WITH U. BUT NIKITA I THINK BCCI SHOULD TAKE THE HARD DECISIONS ON THEIR MEETING ON 6/7 APRIL 2007. I THINK BCCI SHOULD KICKED OUT THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS FOR THE SAKE OF CRICKET. I AM NOT JELOUS WITH THEM BUT THEY R TRULY NOT DESERVE TO PLAY FURTHERMORE:-
RE:Intelligence and Indian fans
by Pankaj Kapoor on Mar 28, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
My dear Neo Prince, how r u. i hope u r fine there. Dear frd. i am sorry but i m not shouting. I am just making my views n did agree as nikita said.
I have mentioned my cell no. becoz if someone has in a doubt, pls. call on cell instead of writing.
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by Ppt on Mar 28, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Team India was prepared with WC - 07 on mind and enough time and liberty was given to dravid - chappel duo... please let us not deny these facts ...Army camp.. rowing .. specially desgined yoga class and what not... not to forget experiments done with irfaan pathaan... complete revaamp of the Indian Team is the need of the hour .... If we want WC - 11 then Sachin, Ganguly, Kumble, Agarkaar and Dravid will have to go now.... Only guys like Viru , Yuvi, Kaif, Raina, Piyush Chawla, Zaheer, Munaaf, Dhoni, Bhaaji, Irfaan, Dinesh Karthik should be allowed to form the core ... Strict rules & regulations should be in place for one and all ..... No forgein coaches ... rather allow Sachin, Ganguly & Dravid to share and mentor the team ..no not as a players ...but in capacity of coaches ... managers etc etc ... these three hero should unite and rebuild a young team india an unstoppable team india .... if something of this sort happens we have the next WC for sure
RE:RE:[object]
by shankar venkat on Mar 28, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
Sandeep, You should use more civilised language in a public forum. You need not show your up bringing in a public forum.
