In Tamilnadu it is not Brahmin- Non Brahmin anymore, those days are gone. It is Other Backward classes- Dalits. These OBC fools think they are superior to the Dalits while they are considered shudra according to the Varna system. Not many people in tamilnadu beleive in the Varna system as it is most shaivite and least vaishnavite state, there is no Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vanniya, Shudra clear divisions. There are probably The Cholas fought against Vaishnavism for 1500 years to preserve a society where every family had a man trained to be a soldier regardless of caste. There were no untouchables under the Cholas. There was not a lot of superioty- inferiority between people and this why they where the longest and greatest empire in the world. Some of great Chola- Chalukya wars was simply about Shaivsm against Vaishnavism. They won many wars and destroyed dynasties that where numerically superior. Dynasties like Srivijaya in Indonesia to Kalinga in Orissa faced their wrath at different times for different reasons. But this new form of OBC- Dalit discrimination has nothing to do with Shaivism or Vaishnavism, this is about greed of the OBC's. If some of the great Chola kings lived to see what is happening today in TN they would be dissapointed. All those fools among Vanniyars, Devars, Naidus, Nadars....... need to stop the bullshit and start acting responsibly.
RE:TN caste politics has changed
by sibby mathews on Jul 20, 2008 06:11 PM Permalink
I do not know about the intricacies of the Varna system.
However, I do know from living in TN for decades that the OBCs, the Dalits as well as the Brahmins, the Muslims and Christians of TN have more or less the same racial ancestry if ancestry can be inferred from physical features and skin colour !!
While this is so, many Brahmins in TN (who can be referred to as Black Brahmins with Negrito-Australoid-Dravidian features as distinguished from the North Indian White Brahmins who, as per research in genome mapping done by various agencies, belong more to the Proto Aryan race) derive secret pleasure in saying and trying to lead others to believe that they are 'Aryan' unlike others who are 'Dravidian' !
While there are several nations where people practice segregation and discriminate against others based on race, colour and etnicity, we in India are unique in that people of more or less the same colour and race practice apartheid with equal zest !!!
The news story is a littl eoff the ground.It is published in all National dailies and shown in 24x7 channels.However the point missed is that most of the anti dalit stories from TN are picturised as Dalit Vs Caste Hindus(?) which is in correct. In many cases teh antio dalit groups belong to Most back word and other Back ward communities and some times even minorities whose caste back ground is either MBC or upwards.Sociogists and anthropologists have a to make a detailed study and feed the bancrupt and visionless political parties on what to eb done.
RE:Who is dalit and who is not?!
by Kris iyer on Jun 04, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
Arokia Raj, Most of the journalists and many contributors to this rediff site are like caged parrots. They repeat what they had heard once or read once, somewhere - many years ago. They will keep on repeating "Caste-Hindus vs. Dalits" or "Brahmins-this-and-that". They will not want to find out the truth by visiting these places. It is sad. They live with the "mis-information" for the rest of their lives. They separate themselves from reality.
RE:Tamil nadu is another Bihar
by S.Murugan on May 31, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
It is not correct to blame neighbouring state peoples for happenings at tamilnadu. Present chief minister Karunanidhi & his family/relatives were the most beneficial out of Anti-Brahmin or Anti-Hindu agitations at tamilnadu. If it is not there nobody knows who is karunanidhi. Similar system/problems were there at neighbouring states also. If they were the ones responsible, why it (Anti-Brahmin movement) is not there on their states. Tamilanadu is having the history of opposing all the Nationalised system whether language or Religions or any other national sytem etc. When these practice were not there at neighbouring states, how can they be responsile for these acts. some peoples from all sections at tamilnadu were responsible for these acts. It may have been right or wrong, but it went beyond limits at many times. Everyone at tamilnadu should hold responsibility. One more truth is, South especially Tamilnadu do not have much problems from other religions(when compared to North) thus having enough time for fighting sectionsIt is not correct to blame neighbouring state peoples for happenings at tamilnadu. Similar system/problems were there at neighbouring states also. If they were the ones responsible, why it (Anti-Brahmin movement) is not there on thier states. Tamilanadu is having the history of opposing all the Nationalised system whether language or Religions or any other national sytem etc. When these practice were not there at neighbouring states, how can they be respons
RE:Tamil nadu is another Bihar
by Pradip Parekh on Jun 01, 2008 11:08 AM Permalink
No no.The tamils say that bramins are instigating other communities to fight the dalits in all levels in tamilnad.
RE:RE:Tamil nadu is another Bihar
by Samosachat on Jun 03, 2008 06:40 PM Permalink
They will say anything to bash Brahmins. In mEenakshipuram it is the DEvar community that harassed the dalits. Brahmin population in TN is very small. When other communities are anti brahmin in TN why would they listen to Brahmins if they were intigating against Dalit as you are alleging. Why would Devar community listen to Brahmins?
Re: RE:RE:Tamil nadu is another Bihar
by Pradip Parekh on Sep 29, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
Devar community is being instigated by brahmins because both are forward community .Most important point is jayalalitha is brahmin and sashikala is devar community.
RE:RE:Tamil nadu is another Bihar
by Samosachat on Jun 03, 2008 06:50 PM Permalink
You should use your logic a little bit. Are you saying Brahmins instigated the Pillay community to build the wall?. If they had that muc power Karuna NIdhi wont be ruling today. You should be aware that in a colony occupied by Reddiyar community in Tutukurin they were complaining that stray dogs from dalith colony entered and there was lot of violence against them.Dont tell me Brahmins instigated the Reddiyar community. Only strange thing is in a state where Brahmin ladies are derogatively referred to as Pappathi they elected the worst pappathi Jayalalitha because she aws the mistress of MGR.
Re: RE:RE:Tamil nadu is another Bihar
by Pradip Parekh on Sep 29, 2008 06:33 PM Permalink
You say worst papathi is jaya and she has no brains and got elected only because she was MGR mistress? This is great insult to brahmin community.
Do pl abolish that "Lanka blames LTTE for bombing" video link. The Fighters have nothing to do with it.
And note you are missing most of important and true NEWS instead.
29.05.08 "Sri Lanka classified with Somalia, Sudan and Palestine"
UN human rights security Council warned that the Sri Lanka human rights violations have reached 'havoc' level, and classified it as among countries like Somalia, Sudan, Palestine and Columbia.
The Under Secretary General for humanitarian rights said at the Council meeting, hundreds of civilians have died and been injured in Sri Lanka this year alone, mostall killed by government and it backed troops.
While calling on all parties to resolve the ethnic conflict, it expressed grave concern over the civilian casualties who bear the brunt of violence. Continued violations, genocides and war crimes have reached 'havoc' proportions in Sri Lanka, it added.
"SL Defence Secretary threatens Media persons" A day back the Defence Secretary of Sri Lanka, Gotobaya called up lead Media Persons of the Island to his office and openly threatened them for writing the facts. i.e., if continued to write the facts of army defeats and human rights violations.
28.05.08 Sri Lankan Defense Secretary Gotobaya, brother of Mahinda, called up islands lead mediamen Sanath Balasooriya and Secretary Poddala Jayantha to his office and openly threatened them that they would face execution if they continue to relieve GoSL military failures and rig
RE:Rediffji??
by kullaa on May 30, 2008 08:17 PM Permalink
...and rights violations.
29.05.08 A correspondent of Sakthi TV Station, Paranirupasingham Thevakumar was fresh assassinated by GoSL assossiated in Jaffa because of often airing sensitive news like of rights violations and abductions of Tamils.
Readers, do you agree with me that "caste" in India, is losing its social and economic basis but is gaining "political strength"? With increasing urbanisation and the spread of education through ALL castes, the social and economic basis of caste has weakened considerably, even if it has not disappeared completely.
Now, the next step in my reasoning. Who has given "caste" its "political strength"? It is not you and me. It is the political parties, individual politicians like V.P. Singh and Arjun Singh. It is parties like the Congress that continually posture for "social justice" but are actually ensuring that the caste factor will be part of India for ever and ever.
Tell me honestly, in most situations, do any of us worry about the caste of the persons we meet at school, college, cricket club, chat-masala place, net cafe, kabadi match, birth-day parties, picnics? We do not care what caste they are. Vast majority of Hindus do not care what religion they are either. Only at the time of marriage, we worry that our sister or brother should get a good match from a good family. At that time we think we know, people of our caste better. I personally support the Gujjars in their demands. They are playing by the rules made by our politicians on reservation and how it has been applied. Col. Bainsla is right to ask for a review. Our politicians play with fire, thinking that they personally would only benefit but the harm may be several Gujjars dead in police firing.
The greatest crime of Casteism wasn't simply that much of what it claimed was false, but that it claimed to be the sole and utterly complete path to understanding life and reality. It’s history's worst ideologies a doctrine of historical predestination. There is nothing more gray, stultifying, or dreary than a life lived inside the confines of a theory of Casteism. Let us hope that in the era of science & technology Casteists learn humility to accept the truth. No nation can move forward unless its children are taught to look squarely at their own history, the good and the bad, the evil and the pure. Our Constitution recognises that `casteism' is a centuries-old vicious ideology founded on hate, violence and exclusion from equality, opportunity, empowerment and resources. The Protection of Civil Rights Act 1955-1976 and the SC and ST (Atrocities) Act 1989 underline this commitment.
RE:Greatest Crime
by stav on May 30, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
as a natural order there is varnashrama, in kali almost everyone is a shudra. caste is determined by character not by birth we are in dwapara not in kali anymore..
Before Vedic era, the indian natives broadly classified themselves as agrarians, weavers, potters and sailors. The whole indian society was classified by this 4 and india thatime was merely speaking just 2 languages, a proto-southindian and proto-north Indian.
Here around 4000 years just when vedic regime was evolving, a group of central asians arrived and assimilated with a north-western Indian SECT but whom were working for vedas, sanskirt etc...
Later this New Merged sect moved all over india to implement this Vedic Style of life and further assimilated with local sects. But retained the Brahmin tag.
Confusing but that is what it was and only so you see the above 3 contents (central asian, north-western, regional) in bramhim caste people today.
