Run your Railway with in Maha. Marathi should be with in Maha. Remove Governor and President from other places and through him. Don't ask money from Center for Mumbai/Pune infrastrucure. Remove all central institution from Maha. Your contribution for India only 5% as per 2008 Budget.
RE:For Ashish Kanekar & Peter Parker
by Peter Parker on Mar 21, 2008 11:36 PM Permalink
Ok fair enough. Let us maharashtrians run everything in maharashtra. Please withdraw your army, air force and navy along with all other central institutions from our borders. And dont slam the door on the way out.
RE:For Ashish Kanekar & Peter Parker
by Kumar on Mar 22, 2008 09:12 AM Permalink
Also let's build a land bridge from Karachi to Mumbai. The kshatriya-wannabe pindari ghatees will pee in their pants.
RE:For Ashish Kanekar & Peter Parker
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
I think you have missed the point. Indian defense forces exists in Maharashtra mostly in Mumbai and near by cities. Mumbai is the business capital of India. It needs to be protected, specially the port. Mumbai is the property of the Gov. of India. And so it belongs equally to its citizens.
RE:For Ashish Kanekar & Peter Parker
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
Mumbai is the property of the Gov. of India. And so it belongs equally to its citizens and not just to a group of citizens.
RE:For Ashish Kanekar & Peter Parker
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
Mumbai is the capital of Maharashtra and not the property of the government of India.We are not staying in a communist country for anything and everything to be a government property.The Government is elected democratically by the people of this country.It is not the master and the masses are not its servant.
Pouring in Han Chinese into Tibet(at higher strata of society) to disturb the demography there or pouring in Biharis and UPites into Maharashtra (at lower strata of society) to change the demography in Maharashtra are two sides of the same coin.
This is a matter of survival for Maharashtra and the local population has realized it. Maharashtrians are not as mild as Tibetans and this insidious effort to rule us will not succeed.
I ask rest of India to be careful about these tactics. You sow the wind and you will reap the whirlwind. You have no idea of the fury being generated in Maharashtra.
RE:Demographic warfare in Tibet and Maharashtra....
by Kumar on Mar 21, 2008 11:18 PM Permalink
I am not rest of India. But I will make sure that the noble idealogy of Jyotiba Phule, Vinoba Bhave, Sahuji Maharaj and Ambedkar is spread to Maharashtrians and Indians who are not yet awakened. The game of vested intrests who want to keep the majority population of India as slave will be exposed once people get education. Maharashtra and rest of India is on it's way to glory.
RE:Demographic warfare in Tibet and Maharashtra....
by Ashish Kanekar on Mar 21, 2008 11:38 PM Permalink
Practicing basic hygiene in Mumbai and spending a part of the money they earn by whatever means by the migrants on toilet facilities will be a starting step. Let the migrants do that first and then we can worry about "noble ideologies" and "glory".
There is no dignity in living like an animal on footpaths of a city and using open spaces as a toilet.
Think small and then big. Think of taking care of the family( have small families i.e not too many children), then neighborhood, then city and then state and country will take care of itself. Dreams of glory need small steps in community - this is how Maharashtrians think though am not sure about the rest of India.
RE:Demographic warfare in Tibet and Maharashtra....
by Kumar on Mar 22, 2008 08:53 AM Permalink
The muslims brought the toilet aka a hole in the ground to India. The British brought the toilet aka a hole on a chair to India. Indians were not as clean as you dream. Indians didn't even know how to sew cloaths, the muslimes thought them. Indians didn't have script, the Maurayans brought them from the persians.
RE:Demographic warfare in Tibet and Maharashtra....
by Ashish Kanekar on Mar 22, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
I don't care about who brought what where. All I know is that cleanliness is not a bad thing. Living on footpaths in Mumbai in Maharashtra rather than in your own house in your own state tells me that the home state is worse than the footpath.
Defecating in the open is an act of utter desperation and shamelessness. No amount of fancy talk can change this fact.
If the Norties are gone, Maharashtra will decend into a caste war. People need some excuse to fight, if it's not language, it's caste. You should thank the nothies for giving you a language identity and dissolving your caste identity. But I am sure the irrational people would have no clue regarding what I am talking about. Thank Jyotiba Phule, Vinoba Bhave, Sahuji Maharaj and Ambedkar for what Maharastra is today otherwise if Tilak would have successeded Maharashtra would have been same as Bihar, zero difference. People need to carry the message of Jyotiba Phule, Vinoba Bhave, Sahuji Maharaj and Ambedkar to all states of India. It's a duty of the awakened ones to awake the others.
RE:A message to reasonable Maharastrians (= majority)
by Ashish Kanekar on Mar 21, 2008 11:07 PM Permalink
A reply to you...
We will never accept that our state be changed to Bihar and UP. We will never accept Lalu and Mulayam and Maya over here. You can keep your Lalu's, Mulayams and Mayas and we will keep our SB Chavans or Vasantdada Patil or Bal Thackeray. You keep your values and we will keep ours.
India has enough problems. Don't pick a fight over your right to destroy our state. Let Maharashtrians worry about Maharashtra - you have more than enough on your plate to worry about Bihar/UP.
RE:A message to reasonable Maharastrians (= majority)
by Kumar on Mar 21, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
Don't worry the success of Jyotiba Phule, Vinoba Bhave, Sahuji Maharaj and Ambedkar and the failure of the castiest idealogy will ensure that Maharastra will not become UP or Bihar. Even without your buy-in, the pro-India idealogy of Jyotiba Phule, Vinoba Bhave, Sahuji Maharaj and Ambedkar will be spread to the entire country. The people who have awakened have a duty to awaken the rest. Jai ethics, Jai justice, Jai compassion, Jai education, Jai hardwork!
RE:A message to reasonable Maharastrians (= majority)
by Peter Parker on Mar 21, 2008 11:47 PM Permalink
The party is over. Wake up and smell the coffee before you get cold water thrown on your face.
RE:A message to reasonable Maharastrians (= majority)
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
Your thoughts are based on the false ideology of the son of the soil, which is not acceptable in India.
RE:A message to reasonable Maharastrians (= majority)
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
It may not be acceptable to you and the SC.But when the Central Government created linguistic,it was an acknowledgement of the existence of the Bhoomiputra.If Punjab is not meant for Punjabis,Gujarat for Gujaratis,Maharashtra for Marathis and Tamilnadu for Tamils, then are all these linguistic states meant for being flooded by the UP/Bihari bhaiyyas?
RE:A message to reasonable Maharastrians (= majority)
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 05:17 PM Permalink
You have created your own concepts, which are not true.
RE:A message to reasonable Maharastrians (= majority)
by Kumar on Mar 21, 2008 10:57 PM Permalink
Jai ethics, Jai justice, Jai compassion, Jai education, Jai hardwork!
Anti-Indian's have marked my message for abuse! But that is okay since it only makes our resolve stronger. I am sure, the rediff moderator will soon 'diable the report abuse' button.
RE:Anti-Indian's have marked my message for abuse!
by Kumar on Mar 21, 2008 10:52 PM Permalink
If the Norties are gone, Maharashtra will decend into a caste war. People need some excuse to fight, if it's not language, it's caste. You should thank the nothies for giving you a language identity and dissolving your caste identity. But I am sure an irrational person like you would have no clue regarding what I am talking about. Thank Jyotiba Phule, Vinoba Bhave, Sahuji Maharaj and Ambedkar for what Maharastra is today otherwise if Tilak would have successeded Maharashtra would have been same as Bihar, zero difference. People need to carry the message of Jyotiba Phule, Vinoba Bhave, Sahuji Maharaj and Ambedkar to all states of India. It's a duty of the awakened ones to awake the others.
RE:Anti-Indian's have marked my message for abuse!
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
We are proud of Lokmanya Tilak,Babashaeb Ambedkar,Mahatma Jyotiba Phule,Maharshi Karve,Vinoba Bhave and Shahuji Maharaj.Don't try to unnecessarily belittle Lokmanya Tilak as without his contribution,he would not have got the Title Lokmanya.And UP/Bihar has descended to its current thanks to its own falling standards.A case in point is that Bihar has degenerated from the likes of Rajendra Prasad to Laloo Prasad and from Jayprakash Narayan to Nitish Kumar
RE:A message to reasonable Maharashtrians (= majority)
by Kumar on Mar 21, 2008 09:29 PM Permalink
Jai ethics, Jai justice, Jai compassion, Jai education, Jai hardwork!
more than 65 percent of migrants to mumbai are from other parts of maharastra. The anit migrant movement is a load of nonsense. many maharastrains are aware of this yet support the shivsena and mns as they want an issue to remind themselves of being a force in mumbai.
RE:immigrants
by milind sabnis on Mar 22, 2008 11:32 AM Permalink
As per Mr. Singh's(from TISS) findings , 37% (or 2 million) are Maharashtrians, 25% from UP/Bihar and rest from other parts of the country. This implies a whopping 73% of migrants into Mumbai are non-Maharshtrians! This finding seems to be a contradiction to the front page headline that Maharashtrians constitute 67% of migrants into Mumbai.
It should also be noted that the last census survey (as opposed to a sample survey) has been carried out in 2001 and a good 7 years have passed hence, with the population in Mumbai rising at a high rate. A direct impact of this, as any common man can vouch for in Mumbai, can be felt in the inadequacy of Mumbai's infrastructure to handle the increased population despite new projects being launched.
Further, in my opinion, it is imprudent to ignore or underestimate causes taken up by shrewd politicians on either side. Today's politics is based on vote-bank numbers which are based on ground realities and not purely academic surveys.
Lastly the results are based on a sample survey and not a census count and that too it is not a 'random sample' and very likely may not ha Lastly the results are based on a sample survey and not a census count and that too it is not a 'random sample' and very likely may not have enough data vis-a-vis the huge population size to make a meaningful conclustion on the specific hypothesis of non-Maharashtrians migrating to Mumbai.
RE:immigrants
by milind sabnis on Mar 22, 2008 11:41 AM Permalink
This is what the migrants from UP/Bihar do...
stay in slums (built on encroached land) start hawking/vending business without licenses, thus clogging the road do not pay tax xerox-copy a single taxi/auto permit and drive 9-10 autos/taxis on that single permit and clog traffic and create pollution break the above rules, earn profits at the expense of rule-abiders, thus showing following rules is stupid and thus create a lawless state in other words, convert Maharashtra into Bihar. Go one step further, bribe corrupt govt officals to get ration card, get name into voters Id. take advantage of this and get a free flat Get politically active (with increasing mirgation) and start flexing political muscle by calling Amar Singh, Lalu Prasad. foist their appointed politicans in municipal and local assemblies These politicans then regularize their illegal activities with the help of corrupt bureaucrats.
RE:immigrants
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 11:41 AM Permalink
They are migrating from within one part of Maharashtra to another.So what's the problem with you.Is every resident of Calcutta born in Calcutta and nobody migrates from the villages to the state capital.Be it Madras,Hyderabad or Bangalore,the bhumipootra of the state has every right to settle in the capital of his state.
There will be huge investment in the name of infrastructure for Metro's but after investment and prosperity, locals will start agitation against migrants. Why locals are not getting jobs? UP & Bihar badily ingnored by Central eventhough they are contributing 30% of GDP. Why??? After doing Engg from My state, I am working in US because there are less opportunities in my state. We should develop all the states to avoid migration. Skilled Migration will be a problem for any country or states. There will be huge possibility for local to loose jobs against skilled worker.
There will be huge investment for infrastructure in the name of Metro but after investment and prosperity, locals will start agitation against migrants. Why locals are not getting jobs? UP & Bihar badily ingnored by Central eventhough they are contributing 30% of GDP. Why??? After doing Engg from My state, I am working in US because there are less opportunities. We should develop all the states to avoid migration. Skilled Migration will be a problem for any country or states. There will be huge possibility for local to loose jobs against skilled worker.
