"The Nuclear Illusion AMORY B. LOVINS AND IMRAN SHEIKH A widely heralded view holds that nuclear power is experiencing a dramatic worldwide revival and vibrant growth, because it’s competitive, necessary, reliable, secure, and vital for fuel security and climate protection. That’s all false.
In fact, nuclear power is continuing its decades-long collapse in the global marketplace because it’s grossly uncompetitive, unneeded, and obsolete—so hopelessly uneconomic that one needn’t debate whether it’s clean and safe; it weakens electric reliability and national security; and it worsens climate change compared with devoting the same money and time to more effective options. Yet the more decisively nuclear power is humbled by swifter and cheaper rivals, the web site rmi.org/images/PDFs/Energy/E08-01_AmbioNuclIlusion.pdf
RE:Here is another nail in the coffin of deal apologists
by Sebin JOHN on Jun 20, 2008 08:01 AM Permalink
Sameer,
Technology and politics are different. To evaluate all energy options it requires knowledge on all sources. Normally people get biased for a particular form of energy that he knows fully or partially still make authentic statement.
So an energy mix is the best option for energy secuirity.
Let us be positive. And maintain silence on issues we are not clear. Look beyond our life span.
RE:Here is another nail in the coffin of deal apologists
by Kris iyer on Jun 20, 2008 08:09 AM Permalink
Sameer, A timely reminder by you. "Nuclear generation" is complex, expensive and full of risks. Is it worth the trouble for the 4-10% contribution, it would make to India's total needs? In fact, in the 1970s, after the "three-mile Island" accident in the USA, UK and France "de-commisioned some of their nuclear reactors. The main issue is the disposal of the waste "rods". They remain radio-active for hundreds of years.
BUT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING OF "MILITARY" SIGNIFICANCE in this Indo-US deal for India, which cannot, obviously, be discussed in Public. Dr. Singh and the scientists closely involved in the negotiations KNOW MANY MORE DETAILS THAN WE DO. Even Professors K.K. Subramaniam and Brahma Chaleney, our excellent analysts of these issues, and whose articles are very persuasive, may not be privy to ALL the clauses of the Deal.
Some Uranium is available in India, but not enough. India may be hoping to use whatever little it can lay its hands on, for military use. It is this facilitation they may be looking for in this Deal. Of course, some new technology can be learnt and adapted to military use also. Some of our scientists, may look simple like Mumbai's "Dabbawallahs", but they have talents. All this is highly speculative, of course. I am interested to see how uncomfortable both China and Pakistan are over this Deal!! Why, I wonder.
RE:Here is another nail in the coffin of deal apologists
by Sameer on Jun 20, 2008 08:25 AM Permalink
I'd guess just the opposite knowing US intentions rather well. US has bene running a campaign against India for the last 40 years to sigh NPT. Having failed in doing that through Pakistan, Khalistan, North East, it has just changed tactics. When you want to sleep with US, use a condomn. And they make no bones about being selfish and cunning.
RE:Here is another nail in the coffin of deal apologists
by anil yadav on Jun 20, 2008 08:49 AM Permalink
well i wont say nuclear energy s very safe but yes safe enough secondly, we are nowhere close to get any other energy source wheather clean or unclean or safe or unsafe... and thirdly when the oil prces are reaching at all time high and there is no hope of easing of oil prices in near future we dont hav any choices but to adopt nuclear energy.... also with the global warming becoming one of the major problems i dont think we hav any option left......
RE:lalluuu...
by niraj kumar on Jun 20, 2008 08:10 AM Permalink
Hey, all Biharis are not laloo supporter man....do not generalize...most of the laloo supporters are big fool unlike laloo haters in Bihar.
In May 2001, The Economist stated that “Nuclear power, once claimed to be too cheap to meter, is now too costly to matter” — cheap to run but very expensive to build. Since then, it has become severalfold costlier still to build, and in a few years, as existing fuel contracts expire, nuclear plants are also expected to become severalfold costlier to run.[62]
Now all those who want India to sign the deal turn your backs and bend down..you too Loan shark
RE:Cost of nuclear power (From Wikipedia)
by ouch on Jun 20, 2008 07:42 AM Permalink
yes let us stop the deal and depend for ever on the arabs supplying oil and paying through our nose for a single barrel. Let the arabs use oil money to support more terrorists , abuse more mallus who go and work there as plumbers, electricians etc. It is better to be dependent on US than on Arabs
RE:Cost of nuclear power (From Wikipedia)
by ouch on Jun 20, 2008 07:53 AM Permalink
dude, even our power generation is dependent on OIL. how do you think steam turbines of NTPC operate , it needs oil or gas or coal all of which we dont have and most of which is imported from Arab. Coal is the worst possible source as fuel for power plants, it is most polluting, least energy efficient among all the sources of energy. Nuclear energy is a must for diversification. It will not solve all our problems but it will solve some of it and give us some time while we do some research. And we can always walk out of deal. It is not a permanent deal.
RE:Cost of nuclear power (From Wikipedia)
by tathya on Jun 20, 2008 08:28 AM Permalink
Sameer,thanks for the different info. you are providing.And as far Mr.Ouch!this argument that coal is worst fuel etc,and we can walk of the deal etc is naive.For ur info coal contributes to the max.power generation in India and west dos'nt have coal reserves as India has and hence this propaganda.Secondly walking out of deal is not that easy.We are tied almost in perpetuately.U must have read about the anology of crawling and bending.The best option is walk stright..Dependance on Oil is also equally bad.There are reports that Indian brains are equaly contributing to developments of clean fuels(like Hydrogen etc)in US varasities and research institutes etc. Once this all hangama over N-Deal is over it is responsibility of Scientist,planners and think tanks(more importantly Media should do probing studies,built pressure on issue than sensationalising news for TRIP Tating etc.) to sit and think seriously on how to go about for energy security.This is easily said than done knowing well our Indian mindset.But then there is no choice....So tighten the belts .....
RE:Cost of nuclear power (From Wikipedia)
by ouch on Jun 20, 2008 08:00 AM Permalink
you read my post and see why nuclear power plants are a must. And why depending solely on OIL,Gas and Coal is dangerous for a country like India.
RE:manmohan is a good fm not a pm
by Srinidhi Tirunagari on Jun 20, 2008 07:38 AM Permalink
make Dr. Singh as FM, Lalu as PM, chidambaram as Railway minister.
PM putting max pressure on Sonia :) Are you kidding me :) Who wrote this article. Mr Manmohan Singh is the weakest PM we ever had. Thc commies are enjoying the most power in India than ever before. I have an advice for you Mr PM. Why don't you please resign :) Let there be early elections. I hope people will vote more intelligently this time around.
RE:PM putting max pressure on Sonia :) Are you kidding me :)
by summer on Jun 20, 2008 07:50 AM Permalink
What is leverage behind the pressure everyone is talking?
RE:PM putting max pressure on Sonia :) Are you kidding me :)
by Sam on Jun 20, 2008 07:38 AM Permalink
Dude Madmohan is weak prime minister thats why the best he can do is to threaten to quit.. and thats what he is doing.. if he has been the strong PM then he would have said that he is gonna sign the deal and is ready for mid term election.
Ideally PM should be offered Pink Slip, however looking at his report card for past 4 years & the turmoil that he has put the people into for past 6-8 months he should honorably put in his papers.
Also, not only him the other morons called; 1. FM-not frequency modulation-Finance minister 2. HRD - Kalyug's Duryodhan - Mr Arjun Singh 3. Petroleum/Oil minister - Who drinks less H2O but more Oil. 4. Aviation - The Patel who can't Fly anymore...
RE:Quit ....Pink Slip
by BHASKARAN GANESHAN on Jun 20, 2008 07:31 AM Permalink
Yeah. That's Great. Beautifully coined. Chidambaram is also called the lungi mama, the rogue finance minister not only cheated the Central Government employees but bribed the unions across all sectors last but not the least as u term him "kalyug ka duryodhan" who should be hanged.
everyone is talking about nuclear deal but what about the uranium reserves, we hardly have any to go ahead. how about performing a nuclear test before signing the deal.
RE:nuclear deal
by Raj on Jun 20, 2008 07:19 AM Permalink
Sighning deal will ensure that we get regular supply of uranium from the international producers.
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A spokesman for MidAmerican said Tuesday the company informed local elected officials of its decision on Jan. 25, posted the notice on its Web site and sent letters to Payette County residents.
"Consumers expect reasonably priced energy, and the company's due diligence process has led to the conclusion that it does not make economic sense to pursue the project at this time," Bill Fehrman, President of MidAmerican Nuclear Energy Co, said in the letter to Payette County residents.
RE:American proposed nuclear plant scrapped due to cost
by Shivam Sharma on Jun 20, 2008 07:08 AM Permalink
Cost is depend the money you earned and money u spent..when u have good bussiness oppurtinity due to power, so there will be better earning also. so where is cost matters!
RE:American proposed nuclear plant scrapped due to cost
by Loan Shark on Jun 20, 2008 07:16 AM Permalink
nuclear energy has low operational cost than a coal power plant and it does not produce any greenhouse gases .... so it is better for the environment.
RE:American proposed nuclear plant scrapped due to cost
by shiva on Jun 20, 2008 07:24 AM Permalink
Sameer,
PM Brown is talking of 1000 nuclear plants across Europe. France produces 80% and Britain wants to increase their capability. China takes all from Australia. When we get the plants running after ten years (we may take twenty), where is the guarantee there would be fuel and then, at what price? Uranium is only in two countries Australia & Canada. We may have or may not. At the end of the day, we still are dependent on others for energy and can be in a rude shock. Already, solar is starting to make waves. So we have the options, but we are barking up the wrong tree & wasting time.
We have to see the issue from national interests. That looks to be a pipe-dream.
RE:American proposed nuclear plant scrapped due to cost
by Sameer on Jun 20, 2008 07:39 AM Permalink
Brown is smoking the stuff his British troops are getting from Afghanistan. These are just boasts. Solar, wind, Geothermal..there are so many renewable source why go for costly, expensive dangerous nuclear.
RE:RE:American proposed nuclear plant scrapped due to cost
by Loan Shark on Jun 20, 2008 07:41 AM Permalink
wind and solar energy is not reliable .. you will recall that you had to eat your words the other day ... LOL
It's time u hung up your Pagdi.Give the PMship to someone else who is politically smart.I admit he is a honest man.But what good is being honest and not being able to do any good.Time for AVP to make a comeback.Abki bari phir se Atal Bihari.
