RE:Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
by palash ghosh on Jul 29, 2008 10:27 AM Permalink
The Hindu right and Muslim right actually complimet each other at the expense of Innocent Hindus and Muslims . Without the lunatic element like Togadia and others there will be no SIMI,HUJI etc and vice versa
No one can provide full proof security at every place. It is the system which stops/minimise all such happenings. Has the Police become masses friendly in the last 60 years? or why our democratic system is keeping loose ends in the governance for the sake of vote bank politics. Certain national issues do not require any agenda rather consent of everyone.
The details of Sheela bhatt on Ahamadabad blast is more confusing and as statements by regular writers and the media who have no guts to expose the real facts. Basically you cannot blame security agencies as they are not being allowed freely to probe terrorists by our secular politicians,minority commissions,human rights groups and finally our present weak judicial systems and punishment ect emboldened the terrorists to act and they will strike in near future also unless correction done but correction is not possible. The basic hurdle in India is our secular politicians who fully depend on local Muslim community in which majority are having faith on their religion than their mother land which feeds them.Unless the present UPA government who are the main culprits than the terrorists perishes, there is no solution now.
Sheela Bhat writes "The surprise element was missing when Ahmedabad was rocked by 17 bomb explosions because at the back of people's mind many knew that the Gujarat riots of 2002 may lead to such a violent reaction" How did she conclude that this related to 2002 riots ? Even if it is so, it cannot be justified in any court of law for committing a dastardly crime as this one.
Instead of condemning the terrorists who committed the act, she seems to more interested in finding or perhaps in creating a link between this incidence and 2002 riots.
RE:biased...
by All Right on Jul 29, 2008 01:27 PM Permalink
You are wrong Mukherjee.
These blasts were actually linked to the 1947 partition riots. In recent auditing, the terrorists figured out that some installments were still due, and hence the execution..
Following measures r required for dealing with the mad Islamic terrorists:
1. Good Muslims should gather courage and create public opinion amongst fellow Muslims against these terrorists, who r now not sparing even hospitals. They r worse than animals. Definitely Allah has not given permission to anyone to kill innocent and patients.
2. Muslim organisations should strongly criticise these activities and issue Fatwa against terrorist activities.
3. Govt should re-introduce strong anti terror law like Pota, which was removed just to please communal Muslims.
4. Govt should not further delay hanging of the biggest terrorist Afzal just for getting some votes of communal Muslims.
5. Govt should propagate one child family planning on the lines of China (doing it since 1979). Many poor Muslims hv lot of children. Hence they cannot b brought up properly. This also gives rise to terrorism.
6. Govt should investigate what is taught in Madrasas.
RE:Measures required
by shareef sa on Jul 29, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
I appreciate your thinking in this lines.
Definitely promoting education within the muslim community may help reducing such incidents. (Dont take an example of educated youths involved in this). Many jobless youths who are uneducated gets in to this type of act for no great reason..but by brain washing.
We need a fair and strong law to contain terrorism rather than going with Fatwa. If you remember, very recently, Fatwa was given by Delhi Masjid Moulana against this terrorism.
Pota was removed not to please communal muslims. Whole bunch of Human rights activists were against it, since this was mis-used by some political outfits for torturing innocents for their cause.
Having brought up in poor family does not really raises terrorism. It is the mis-guidance which leads to terrorism. If poor families become terrorists, 14 crore muslims in india should have become terrorists.
Providing a approved curriculam in Madrassas with the help of Muslim Religious leaders is the right approach in avoiding mis-use of such system by terrorists, if it is true.
RE:Measures required
by Rahul Dravid on Jul 29, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
I totally second you. No one these days is interested in finding out the cause and prevention for these problems. They are just repeating the same lines of 'Ahimsa' and not doing anything else.
The only police we see is collecting money on roads.There are some hawks praising Israel, forgetting the fact that recently Israel released militiants of Hamas in exchange of dead soldier bodies!! It has alo made peace with other militant groups like Fatah etc. The fact is that we have made our police corrupt by bribing and misutilising them.There is acute shortage of policemen in all states and the existing policemen busy in VIP duties levaing security at mercy of God. NDTV showed in Ahmdeabad close to 10000 policemen are short from sanctioned posts. We need to pay our taxes which is not done by all so that states are rich, stop misusing CBI and IB for political use so that they can focus and they also need to be modernised. We also must not forget one riot makes hundreds of terrorists o we should make every community educated
Create a network of surveillance cameras: Pump money into forensics: Give more work to the RTO: Shopkeepers as sleuths: National ID cards: National law on terror: Create a Department of National Security: National database of suspects: Bring in the CBI: Police the police:
RE:Save india
by rashi mishra on Jul 29, 2008 09:45 AM Permalink
I agree with what Kohina has said, in addition to this i would want to say that this act is a work of SIMI and not any other terrorist organisation like AL-qaeda...etc for the simple reason being the nature of blasts(gelatin rods were used) and the locations chosen....this is a handiwork of locals who are smart enough to involve fellow localities to this extent..If delhi blasts are to be spoken about, we can say there is a certain involvement of foreign hands.
In the last 1 years or so, religion has killed more people than anything else. Religion has outlived its use. It is time now that we dismantle entire religious activities from public space. Only then, there would remain nothing to kill or die for.
This century is an age of science and technology. We should invest our time and energy in scientific persuit and to build up a logical mind-frame.
If the public at large does this, the nasty terrorists will be isolated. They will be denied local base, and cannot carry out the "brave" acts of bombing at defenceless citizens.
RE:religion...
by anirban chakraborty on Jul 29, 2008 09:26 AM Permalink
I do not believe in a God which gives me misery while I am living, and enormous peace and happiness when I am dead.
RE:religion...
by kuttan on Jul 29, 2008 09:49 AM Permalink
But do you believe in something which controls your's and mine past,present & future?? Some times when everything goes as per your plan, something goes wrong, or when everything goes wrong, some invisible hand helps to put everything in right track?? What do you call it?? I had these experiences and I strongly believe, it is the hand of God!!
RE:religion...
by anirban chakraborty on Jul 29, 2008 09:58 AM Permalink
'hand of God' is what Maradona did against England in World Cup football 1986. In our day-to-day life, there is no hand of God. If there was indeed a hand of god, then why would a ram or a rahim or a john lose life in a roadside bombing for no fault of his? But yes, I respect your personal belief. I request you to respect mine as well. Just because our opinions differ, we are not going to bomb at each other.
Communists dream of an Utopian society. Such a society does not exist in the real world. Like day and night, pleasures and pains are two sides of the same coin and you cannot have eternal bliss for ever. God has not given everybody with equal wisdom. While some are destined to become top scientists or engineers or doctors, some other are destined to become headload workers and farmers working under the scorching sun. Look at the nature, how the God has decorated it with. Flowers have different colours and it smells differently. Animals - from smallest squirrels to biggest elephant. Some innocent animals like deer become prey to more cruel animals like tiger, leopard and lions. These scenes are all part of our world, and the God desires it to be so. When egoistic man says there is no God and IAM the super being in the worlds, it takes only a few seconds for God to make realize where he stands. A few seconds earthquake and the empire man built labourously will collapse in no time. most of the scientists whom you people are very proud of are religious and pay their respect to the Creator - God and you vouch in the name of those scientists that there is no God. What an irony!
RE:RE:religion...
by Ram Sharma on Jul 29, 2008 10:00 AM Permalink
U r almost right. Even in former communist countries like USSR, Yugoslavia etc, where it is taught that religion is an opium, religious beliefs did not die and there were some fights between people having beliefs in different religion. Islam was present in most of these fights. Even in Communist China it is like that.
Only very serious people can come out of religious beliefs.
RE:religion...
by Ram Sharma on Jul 29, 2008 09:56 AM Permalink
In this age of science, people should not take decisions based on religious differences. Religion should b something to b practiced in the house or in the mind. All religions hv lot of superstitions. While following one's religion, whatever is against scientific theories should b discarded.
RE:religion...
by palash ghosh on Jul 29, 2008 10:21 AM Permalink
religion is the opium of the masses. to remove ppl from this opiate we need education and with Indian ppl being desperately poor and unable to afford proper education to remove religion it will take a lot of time
When Pota was operational during NDA's time, some of the most audacious terrorist attacks took place
Track Record of Pota
- Parliament 4 killed - Akshardhaam ? killed - Raghunath Mandir ? killed - Air india flight hijack 1 killed - American Center 5 killed - Mumbai 48 killed - Amarnath pilgrims 150 killed
So attacks will take place, with or without such laws. Laws are no deterrent to attacks. Only 1 conviction under Pota.
Just as a myth was created that voting Modi and terrorists will flee, a new myth is created that POTA will end terrorism
The problem is more deeper. An advisory warning will not help state governments. In Karnataka the Police came across evidence of a blast in Channapatna - 50 kms from Bangalore, a day earlier and recovered a car full of explosives. The State government did nothing. This despite a central government advisory to be on high alert - 3 days before the blast.
The Centre gave an advisory warning to Gujarat 3 days before the blast. Despite Bangalore blast, the State government did nothing. The Gujarat government instead commenting on the Bangalore blast boasted on TV that such terror strikes would not hit Gujarat.
Instead of mainstreaming disgruntled sections of society - Naxalites, Muslims etc, the BJP and Hindutva follwers isolate them further. As long as this happens, POTA or even a stronger law will not help.
The Gujarat government complain that Central warning was not actionable. OK. Now that the bla
RE:RE:Just as a myth was created that voting Modi and terrorists will flee, a new myth is created that POTA will end terrorism
by Surender Ahluwalia on Jul 29, 2008 08:44 AM Permalink
When ever there is terror attack political parties start accusing to the rival party, specially, BJP Pvt. Ltd. and Cong Pvt. Ltd. These leaders should learn from other countries were the leaders join together and fight terror. They do not do business over dead bodies and injured countrymen. It is shameful to the leaders who are not properly educated about how to rule or lead. It is also shameful to the followers who do not understand their cunning and power hungry leaders.
RE:Just as a myth was created that voting Modi and terrorists will flee, a new myth is created that POTA will end terrorism
by Comment on Jul 29, 2008 09:52 AM Permalink
Dear Surender
Before taking just think, do you know you fav UPA has set precedent in the world by giving family of terrorists in kashmir pension. This is done by only one country in india.
RE:Just as a myth was created that voting Modi and terrorists will flee, a new myth is created that POTA will end terrorism
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 29, 2008 12:51 PM Permalink
Mr. Ahluwalia,
In other countries, leaders are somewhat sincere. But in our case, all political parties in our country plays either communal card or caste card. Congress indulges in minoruty appeasement, while SP and BSP openly play caste cards. Yet the so-called secularists see communalism only in BJP.
RE:Just as a myth was created that voting Modi and terrorists will flee, a new myth is created that POTA will end terrorism
by Ram Sharma on Jul 29, 2008 10:02 AM Permalink
Pota must b brought back, which was removed to please communal Muslims. Strong measures r required to tackle terrorism. This also includes immediate hanging of terrorist Afzal, as per SC directive.
After Ajmer, now comes Bangalore - both states ruled by BJP. Before that Akshardhaam - Gujarat, another state ruled by BJP. Even Modi could not stop terror. When the BJP led NDA ruled, the terrorist even had the audacity to attack parliament!
One has to be an idiot to buy BJP's slogan
Though links have been drawn between Bangalore and Ahmedabad blasts, the difference is also appreciated. In Bangalore, it looks as if it was a retailation. BJP goons celebrating their party in power, threw pork into a mosque, leading to communal tension. The government looked the other way naturally as their own goons were involved. So the Muslims took the terror route to warn the govt not to mess with them. Their intention was to warn not to destruct.
Gujarat was apparently different. This was a reaction to Godhra and Modi. No CM of any state except madman Modi challenges Terrorists to strike his state. Now they did and also made a point to maximally destroy Modis own constituency. So toll in Bangalore and Ahmedabad tell their own story. Bangalore 1, Ahmedabad 50
Modi remains the only CM in India's entire History to challenge terrorists to attack a state (Gujarat). This madman, Gujus try to sell to the rest of the country as PM material. Gujus have only themselves to blame for electing this madman
RE:Pop Goes Modi Model. Modi Becomes National Laughing Stock as Myth Burst
by PRASHANT NAYAK on Jul 29, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
you seem to be a congress agent
RE:Pop Goes Modi Model. Modi Becomes National Laughing Stock as Myth Burst
by Ram Sharma on Jul 29, 2008 10:04 AM Permalink
No doubt. He is repeating similar mis campaign to confuse people and divert peoples' attention from the real issues.
RE:Pop Goes Modi Model. Modi Becomes National Laughing Stock as Myth Burst
by rashi mishra on Jul 29, 2008 09:49 AM Permalink
i agree with u regd this madman
RE:Pop Goes Modi Model. Modi Becomes National Laughing Stock as Myth Burst
by Comment on Jul 29, 2008 09:53 AM Permalink
i think this would be better , most of the parasites woudl be removed from the world. this world will live happily
