If Manmohan Singh's personal image is reasonably unsullied despite his obvious lack of qualification for the position he holds, it is because he is not regarded as a cynical, manipulative politician. In fact, many Congressmen believe he has not grown out of the bureaucratic mindset he inculcated serving the Finance Ministry during the Indira Gandhi era. They also say he has little political foresight, leave alone having a finger on the pulse of the popular mood. All political responses emanating from the Akbar Road headquarters of the Congress party are, therefore, attributed to the occupant of the neighbouring bungalow that bears a Janpath address. So it is intriguing that on something as politically complex as the nuclear Deal, it is the Prime Minister's doggedness that triumphed over the party's collective wisdom. By Chandan Mitra
RE:A Historic Blunder?
by menda vijaya on Jul 18, 2008 09:35 PM Permalink
What qualification you need to be a PM my dear? a killer? or a pocketmar ? or a religious fanatic !!! MMS is absoultely right. You will see when you spend some more years in this country!!.
RE:A Historic Blunder?
by Girish Rao on Jul 18, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
if the UPA government wins this trust vote and if OIL prices fall down as expected by many eminent economists, government can very well cut down retail fuel prices, RBI can cut down reverse repo and repo rate and loan interests might come down and so on and government can once again become the hero.
RE:A Historic Blunder?
by Bharat Kr on Jul 18, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
I think, if non-performing Congress-led govt survives by fraudism (by purchasing MPs), and they sign the deal againt the nation and majority peoples wish, then US will shower milk and honey over India for eternity. MM Singh is a loyal servent to the est, he can do anything for them. Only he needs few honorary degrees and awards. A British Univ decorated him with honorary doctor degree and he praised the British for invading colonising and ruling us 200 years. Such is the self-respect of this so-called honest man. It is cruel joke, he is honest. How can an honest person cheated President Kalam to dissolve Bihar assembly? How could an honest person bulldoze a calndestine deal, when majority of the parliament members and people oppose it? Those who call this man honest, first must learn the meaning of the word honesty and practice it.
RE:A Historic Blunder?
by adguru on Jul 18, 2008 09:23 PM Permalink
i think u are correct...
Actually many experts also suspect that uncle SAM (puppet's DAD) has promised him to make the oil available at lower price (tlll lok sabha elections) if the congis sell India.........
India signed a declaration in 2005 allowing US to make a Law for India to follow. US passed Hyde Act which is the enabling act for the 123 agreement which we signed later chaining India stand still in all future nuclear related programmes. Discussions (Secret) for Nuclear Projects of total capacity 40000MW is completed and waiting for signature in the opportune time. Shape of project and conditions incorporated are kept secret. These projects are slated to be completed by 2030 (10% of total). The availability of infrastructure in India for such huge and risky projects is doubtful. There is every possibility that prefabricated plants (Nuclear waste junks) will be brought here to reduce period of project's. The project cost is 3,20,000 Crores (appx) at the present rate and taking the inflation it will be 3 or 4 times more. We do not have enough capital to take up the project from our own resources for such large investments. We take foreign loan at the dictated conditions with several strings attached (Huge burden to the coming generations). The unit price for energy will be not less than Rs20/-. Taking into account the decommissioning cost ($3400million at the present cost-data per plant per year for 10-15 years) the unit cost will be more than Rs40/-.
RE:Avoid the harakiri
by N Venugopal on Jul 18, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
be patiant, till India notify, no nuclear plant shall be come under the inspection and there is no restriction on thoriaum based Nuclear plant. thats what i understood after going through the document circulated by India and IAEA. We are concern ab out near future energy requiremet till 2050, beyaond that India can mater the technology of thorium reactors....
Gopal - You are posting some misleading information and which itself is selfcontradicttory. Those figures are absolutely wrong and looks like highly manipulative to misguide common people.
I am not sure what is your interntion.
This is true that you have an assignment which was given to you and you are linked with some vested interst.
This Nuclear Deal will benefit India - Every Pandits of our country knows that very well.
It does not matter which Government actually signs the deal, Cong or BJP. It will help India to move to next level.
Please, stop misguiding people with wrong information. If your information is vetted by some organization of sictific society, please, give their reference.
RE:Avoid the harakiri
by Gopal on Jul 18, 2008 08:58 PM Permalink
We have the know-how for Uranium based technology. We sign the present N-deal for getting Uranium. Identified Uranium deposit (mainly Canada and Australia -50%) world over will last for 60 years from now at the present rate of use. By the time we commission our projects the availability of Uranium will near the end point. Then it will be the most expensive material which we can not afford to buy. But we can not sit idle after investing the huge capital. We will be forced to sign in 'dotted lines' to get Uranium. When the Uranium supply comes to an end within a few years what shall we do withthese plants? Mere waste of the huge capital invested and we have to find huge capital for decommissioning also. Nuclear waste disposal is costly. It is reported that it is to be kept safe for 10000 years. We have to buy the know-how at dictated terms and conditions. Many of the nuclear plants world over is due for decommissioning. Briton started it at Sellafield(Commissioned in 1957) The protection against terror attack is another problem to be handled. Considering the present modus operandi of terrorists it is near impossible.
RE:RE:Avoid the harakiri
by Gopal on Jul 18, 2008 08:59 PM Permalink
It is in the media that we are near success in the Thorium based technology. Just five years from now. We have 60% of world Thorium deposit which would last for 300 years.. Let us be pateint and wait for the development of OUR own know how to produce energy from OUR own Thorium. By this time the waste disposal know how will be available at affordable terms. We can manage the difference (10%) in demand by some other ways. Why should we carry the heavy burden of astronomically huge loans? It is a perpetual bondage!!!
Why this 'undue haste' to sign this deal? We are a democratic society. Decisions are taken based on some democratic values and principles. We have an elected Parliament. It is the prerogative of the Parliament to enter into any agreements with foreign countries. Here the deal was kept a secret from the Parliament. There were no in-depth discussions in the AICC and Council of Ministers and with ruling partners. Just casual briefings which everyone listen and say YES. There were assurances from leaders that deal will be signed with consensus from various sections of people. But the government failed to arrange a discussion in the Parliament and media. How dare the government to go ahead with the deal? Where from they get the courage to sign a deal with hidden agenda in an undemocratic and deceitful way?
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by Gopal on Jul 18, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
' Most Western nations, save France and Japan, now avoid new nuclear power plants'. Everyone fear the problems connected with waste disposal. Listen CNN news.The government should be in the know about this. But keep silent.
The rush of huge investments with in a period of just a few years will make the Indian financial structure loose balance and break. This leads to complete chaos in every field of life in India. 'The high priests of the nuclear religion are specialists in the art of misleading public opinion'. Why not the present government have a rethink on the subject? Let there be proper debates in Parliament and the media. Leave it to the next government or the government of the time to decide on this. Avoid this undignified speedy mendicancy. Avoid the 'harakiri'.
RE:Avoid the harakiri
by Girish Rao on Jul 18, 2008 09:13 PM Permalink
every power source has side-effects. Will you stop driving your car to office because it releases C02 to the atmosphere. Heavy concentration of C02 in the atmosphere is sure to lead to massive and unprecedented climate change. Even the so-called wind-energy, solar energy bio-fuels have lot of side-effects. So we have to choose what to compromise on. Indian financial structure will not be killed by nuclear reactors. It will be killed by the heavy subsidy on petrol and diesel. Just imagine a rich guy who can afford to pay the full rate for diesel is paying just 1/3rd of the price for diesel. And after giving subsidy, government taxes diesel/petrol, thus creating a possible nightmare of accounting fiasco. The government is systemically killing the navaratna giants like IOC, HPCL etc and yet like the same broken record insist that western powers will destroy India. Man stop worshipping chaddi knickers and come back to reality.
RE:Avoid the harakiri
by Govardhan Brown on Jul 19, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
Girish, who stopped the Government of India, headed by an eminent economist, no less, from raising petroleum prices and ensuring demand goes down? The same will and resolve that they are showing for this nuclear deal could have been used to rationalise oil-fuel prices. You don't have to be an "eminent economist" to realise that if a public sector company is losing @ Rs. 400crores a day in subsidies, very shortly it will be bankrupt. A very senior bank official to whom I was making this point, said cynically, "toh kya hua, IOC, BPL, HOC khokli ho gayi toh Reliance ko bech dhenge!" I burst out laughing. Such is the cynicism that rules India today.
RE:Avoid the harakiri
by Deepak Sr on Jul 18, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
We have the highest deposit of Thorium, and you find out what thorium can do by then, it just needs a little bit of uranium to get thorium to use
The Amarnath land row in Kashmir has proved that if Muslim politicians of the valley feel strongly about something they can make the government bend and accept their demands. So it is hypocrisy when they complain in some summits in London that Delhi doesn't heed them or they have less power to rule the valley 'appropriately' and hence need more autonomy. They fought on the streets and denied a piece of land to Hindu pilgrims to be used for facilitating a night's stay and food in that snowy area just for two months. The land was barren; not a single tree grows there and not one person was to be stationed there permanently. Yet the votaries of Kashmiriyat, who would announce day and night how keen they are to see Kashmiri Hindus return to their localities and how their religion stands for love, compassion and peace, stood firm, spreading lies to ensure that Hindus do not get an inch of space for a temporary shelter... read on TOI (by Mr Tarun Vijay)
The SP and the BSP are the two parties this Trust Vote only depends upon. As of today the SP is on a losing wicket as their party does not seem to be with them. The BSP backed by the UP's Govt and the money is in a better position to take their MPs and thus the Trust Vote may be lost and the PA Govt may fall.
Are FIIs watching this? Why invest in stock market. Here is the suggestion. Invest in buying law makers/MPs/whoever matters, and wait for a situation like this. No need to bother about war, crude prices, inflation... Bet, you will find it very very attractive
UPA confident - BJP sulking by RAVINDRA BHOSALE on Jul 18, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink KAUTILYA AAP KE NAMSE LAGATA HAI AAP DADAMUNI LALKRISHNA ADVANI KE AIRCONDITIONED RATHMESE PESHAVAR JAKE JINNHA UNIVERSITY SE PADHKE AAYE HAI
by Kautilya on Jul 18, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink Chnglya Analysis la chaan bololo, Tula raag ka aala
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by Kautilya on Jul 18, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
UPA confident - BJP sulking by RAVINDRA BHOSALE on Jul 18, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink KAUTILYA AAP KE NAMSE LAGATA HAI AAP DADAMUNI LALKRISHNA ADVANI KE AIRCONDITIONED RATHMESE PESHAVAR JAKE JINNHA UNIVERSITY SE PADHKE AAYE HAI
RE:UPA confident - BJP sulking by Kautilya on Jul 18, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink Chnglya Analysis la chaan bololo, Tula raag ka aala
