Now the anti-nationals like Karat, Bardhan, Yechuri, Raja etc. will scream their anguished lungs out. 'Betrayal' 'Dhokha' 'We won't allow it' Please shut your ears. The next press conference is coming.
RE:Brace yourself for another howling from the Left
by All Right on Jul 15, 2008 12:45 PM Permalink
John:
Can you please enlighten us what did Mr. Mukherjee and Mr. Singh mean when they said we will first get the trust vote?..... Or do you believe that minority governments can go and do their bidding as they please? It's an interesting situation, isn't it?... ;-)
RE:Brace yourself for another howling from the Left
by APS on Jul 15, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
IAEA voting will be on 1 august, 9 days after confidence motion. If government is defeated, then IAEA voting will be cancelled. the Government does not want to waste more, since Left (on behal of their Chinese masters) have already wasted almost a year.
RE:Brace yourself for another howling from the Left
by ransaran on Jul 15, 2008 11:43 AM Permalink
ANTI NATIONAL ARE PEOPLE LIKE U WHO LICK THE TOES OF USA
RE:RE:Brace yourself for another howling from the Left
by APS on Jul 15, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
You will probably try to settle in USA if you get a chance. You are not anti-USA, but angry only because you do not get chance to move to USA. Being pro-USA is not a bad thing in indian politics. Left will find this out in next general election
For the sake of the nation, Congress and BJP should forget their differences and join hands. If that happens, these obnoxious weeds - SP, RJD, Leftists etc will have no where to go. Amongst all the parties, COngress and BJP are closest in terms of ideologies, specially on the economic agenda, there is not much difference between the two. Only these 2 parties have the experience of leading the union government and India can progress well if Congress and BJP agree to put their best resources at the centre.
RE:BJP & Congress should join hands
by KMR Overseas on Jul 15, 2008 11:35 AM Permalink
N-deal would be the baby of new adminstrations to deal with both in India and USA. Commis opposed the deal as pretext for not getting enough milk from Cong. Cong got SP for for throw-away price! Take my words!
The 2 occasions we tested, we attracted sanctions. During Pokhran II (NDA tenure), the US additionally reacted by setting up the NSG - claming India's nuclear trade. As a consequence our nuclear reactors are operating below capacity for want of spares & uranium fuel.
So even without the deal what will happen if we test now?
Obviously we will attract sanctions again.
So what will happen after we sign the deal?
We will attract sanctions. There is a difference unlike the other two occsions. If India's neigbors, Iran, China or Pakistan blast a bomb, the deal entitles us to also test a bomb.
Myth 2: The deal favors the US rather than India
In fact the most stringent criticism and opposition to the deal are within the US. The feel US interests are sold out.
In reality, the deal is a compromise - a Win-Win agreement for both parties
Myth 3 : The deal fetters India's military program and do not recognize India as a militrary nuclear state.
The deal do not recognize India formally as a militrary nuclear power but do so indirectly by keeping our military program outside IAEA purview. India will be the only country the world to be conferred this right.
RE:Is it good or bad for Country ? What are likeley benefits and pitfalls? what interest US have is pushing Deal and what agenda of MMS. why BJP which initiated the deal and largely a pro US party is apposing deal now?
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 15, 2008 11:30 AM Permalink
- Why such a big headline?
RE:Is it good or bad for Country ? What are likeley benefits and pitfalls? what interest US have is pushing Deal and what agenda of MMS. why BJP which initiated the deal and largely a pro US party is apposing deal now?
by All Right on Jul 15, 2008 11:51 AM Permalink
KK you mean Sahadevan? It was inadvertent. Gosh imagine mistaken as Sahadevan!
RE:Is it good or bad for Country ? What are likeley benefits and pitfalls? what interest US have is pushing Deal and what agenda of MMS. why BJP which initiated the deal and largely a pro US party is apposing deal now?
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 15, 2008 11:53 AM Permalink
RE:Is it good or bad for Country ? What are likeley benefits and pitfalls? what interest US have is pushing Deal and what agenda of MMS. why BJP which initiated the deal and largely a pro US party is apposing deal now?
by All Right on Jul 15, 2008 12:57 PM Permalink
MY CLONE:
Myth 1: NSG was formed after Pokhran II..... Reality: NSG was formed in 1975 after Pokhran I.. I suggest you do your research and not spread more myths than you unravel..
Myth 2: There is criticism to the deal within US. Reality: Those myths have been dispelled by US department of State. Visit their site and you'll see: "As part of the overall initiative, India will expand international safeguards, adhere to international nuclear and missile export guidelines, continue its voluntary moratorium on nuclear testing, and ensure that all civil nuclear trade will be used only for peaceful purposes. Because India will place a greater number of its reactors under safeguards, it reduces the nuclear infrastructure available for its weapons program. These commitments constitute significant gains for global nonproliferation efforts." :) Again, research before multiplying the myths further.
Myth 3: The deal recognizes India as a military nuclear state, and India is the only country in the world where military program is outside IAEA purview. Reality: Any nuclear or non-nuclear material procured by India under any agreement that falls under safeguards, automatically comes under safeguards. Go through the IAEA safeguards text. :) Do you research before spreading more myths.
I also hope you have seen Article 23(d) and 26(d) of the safeguards text, and also Articles XII A-7, XII C., and XIX of the Statute of IAEA..
I think we should agree that excepting a few people in this country , NO ONE is actually understand the details or brief about Nuclear Deal. In our life, we got very few good Hon'ble President of this country. When Dr. A.P.J. Kalam ji is in favour , we foolish people should not make hue and cry. BJP' s role is not coorect in this present situation, If BJP is opposing this deal for the sake 'CHAIR', then it is not a mature policies in politics. I hope all central leaders of BJP should not behave like " AAG MARKA COMMUNIST " WHO OPPOSE USA BUT SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO USA FOR STUDY, JOB. THAT TIME THEY EVEN FORGOT THE NAME OF CHINA & PAKISTAN". I personally fee, India should make this agreement of N/deal at the earliest in the interest of Country. I may be incorrect, if our Hon'ble Kalam Saaheb is incorrect. Hope, BJP & Congress and other good minded parliamentarians will help by supporting this agreement in the interest of People of India. My best wishes to all. ===== SHYAMAL INDIA
RE:BJP SHOULD SPEAK & SUPPORT N/DEAL
by Sachidanand Shetty on Jul 15, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
Congress party brought down BJP's govt in 13 months without any reason, after that also can't make the govt, country goes to poll within two years. BJP govt's nuclear test also not supported by Congress. Now the want support from BJP for N deal. Why should BJP support sense less Congress?
The BJP is not fully against the deal, first you understand!! it wants to renegotiate certain class, but from first day onwards congress ignored the BJP even it did not include the co ordination committee, instead it included left.
the problematic area is the inspection of our areas even without our knowledge..
We want to develop our thorium, which cost is low and abundant in India. But America wants that India should lick them always for wanting of uranium!!
what will happen to our research till date? What about the mentality of our scientists? is it sin to develop something on our own?
In 2032 our power requirement is 8 lac megawatt and thru this deal we only get 30 to 40 thousands MW, then why so much hurry?
RE:BJP SHOULD SPEAK & SUPPORT N/DEAL
by All Right on Jul 15, 2008 11:55 AM Permalink
Omar Adbullah Minister of State of External Affairs of the then NDA government went to record in Big Fight, NDTV the following:
1. The NDA Govt was negotiating a similar treaty 2. The terms of which were perceptibly worse 3. Though the terms were perceptibly worse, the NDA was prepared to sign.
Further Talbot, US Ambassador at the time of the NDA tenure, in a book revealed, the NDA government had secret negotiations with the US to sign NPT, CTBT, viz. internationally agreeing to permanently give up our rights to test a nuclear bomb.
If Talbot's book is not believe, then there are official recordings of Vajpayee (1999) and Jaswant Singh (2000) speeches to the Gen Assembly of the UN. They promised uni-laterally and permanently that India would give up its right to test.
So who is anti-Hindu, anti-India? Who is opposing an agreement that is termed anti-Muslim and appeasing Mullahs. You might be a knickerwallah. But the doublespeak BJP speals for itself
RE:BJP SHOULD SPEAK & SUPPORT N/DEAL
by hiral joshi on Jul 15, 2008 01:09 PM Permalink
Talbot was not US ambassador he was foreign secretary of clinton admin. Ignorant people are unfit for any comments. Omar Abdullah was never a part of any negotiation between USA and India during NDA rule. NDA has initiated strategic partnership with USA and not business deal. None of the leader made any claim of permenantly giving up the rights of N-bomb test and if they made what socalled patriots of congress were doing? Check Vajpayee's speech (however it was in 2000 and not in 1999 as you suggested) where he used word "Voluntary Moratorium" means delay or postponement by our own will and not on any condition-as this deal is imposing. India was willing to sign NPT and CTBT conditionally but openly unlike we are doing in now in the disguise of this deal.
I think we should agree that excepting a few people in this country , NO ONE is actually understand the details or brief about Nuclear Deal. In our life, we got very few good Hon'ble President of this country. When Dr. A.P.J. Kalam ji is in favour , we foolish people should not make hue and cry. BJP' s role is not coorect in this present situation, If BJP is opposing this deal for the sake 'CHAIR', then it is not a mature policies in politics. I hope all central leaders of BJP should not behave like " AAG MARKA COMMUNIST " WHO OPPOSE USA BUT SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO USA FOR STUDY, JOB. THAT TIME THEY EVEN FORGOT THE NAME OF CHINA & PAKISTAN". I personally fee, India should make this agreement of N/deal at the earliest in the interest of Country. I may be incorrect, if our Hon'ble Kalam Saaheb is incorrect. Hope, BJP & Congress and other good minded parliamentarians will help by supporting this agreement in the interest of People of India. My best wishes to all. ===== SHYAMAL INDIA
RE:BJP SHOULD SPEAK & SUPPORT N/DEAL
by Sachidanand Shetty on Jul 15, 2008 11:35 AM Permalink
Congress party brought down BJP's govt in 13 months without any reason, after that also can't make the govt, country goes to poll within two years. BJP govt's nuclear test also not supported by Congress. Now the want support from BJP for N deal. Why should BJP support sense less Congress?
The BJP is not fully against the deal, first you understand!! it wants to renegotiate certain class, but from first day onwards congress ignored the BJP even it did not include the co ordination committee, instead it included left.
the problematic area is the inspection of our areas even without our knowledge..
We want to develop our thorium, which cost is low and abundant in India. But America wants that India should lick them always for wanting of uranium!!
what will happen to our research till date? What about the mentality of our scientists? is it sin to develop something on our own?
In 2032 our power requirement is 8 lac megawatt and thru this deal we only get 30 to 40 thousands MW, then why so much hurry?
Confidence motion on July 22. But Confidence is not there; only there is motion... Loose Motion after Nuclear Motion! Congress is in a pathetic situation after suffering from Nuclear Diorrhea.
RE:Confidence motion on July 22. But Confidence is not there; only there is motion... Loose Motion after Nuclear Motion! Congress is in a pathetic situation after suffering from Nuclear Diorrhea.
by Sachidanand Shetty on Jul 15, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
After July 22 loose motion for Commies, & there is division among the Communisty party.
Time of land grab and rule over others is over. US conquered Afganistan but who is ruling an Afgani, similary in Iraq who is ruling, again a Iraqi, like Rama gave Kishkindha to Sugriv and Lanka to Vibhishan, I do not understand, why Left and few other fanatic parties think nu clear deal a dominance of US. Are we so immatured.
To all intelligent people here discussing Nuclear deal, can we have some really objective analysis about deal. Is it good or bad for Country ? What are likeley benefits and pitfalls? what interest US have is pushing Deal and what agenda of MMS. why BJP which initiated the deal and largely a pro US party is apposing deal now? Please pure analysis, no crap.
RE:To all intelligent people here
by shah jafar on Jul 15, 2008 11:20 AM Permalink
Though Nuclear Energy is not actually very clean.But with this deal India will be part of Nuclear Club. declaring a Nuke state is not really going to make mush difference.
RE:To all intelligent people here
by aman on Jul 15, 2008 11:20 AM Permalink
Where is the debate? I didnt see anything except within Mr. Manmohan's head.
Also Can you tell me when we will get the real benefits of this deal if its passed through? 10 years? why cant we wait for another 10 months, why so much opposition?
RE:To all intelligent people here
by pjothilingam on Jul 15, 2008 12:24 PM Permalink
please read the wonderful articles on nuke deal by Brahma Chellaney,Dr.A.Gopalakrishnan and some articles which appeared in the HINDU of July14,15.
RE:To all intelligent people here
by soorma on Jul 15, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
Thats good 1. I think US wants india to behave responsibly. Don't allow AQ khan type network. US doesn't want india to conduct unprovoked nuke tests. If provoked, india has the right to conduct tests, US has no major objections... 2. Deal is good as it will not only bring fuel/reactors but will allow our scientists to have a collaborative research which shall help us in speeding up thorium based reactors.... 3. As per deal, india is not counted as nuke weapons state. That shall no worry us as whole world knows, we have weapons and can make more....
RE:To all intelligent people here
by Venugopalan on Jul 15, 2008 11:04 AM Permalink
Excellent analysis. In short we need the deal so that we do not face any major energy crisis in the coming days. As we all know nuclear energy is clean. But we should also admit that no deal will be 100% favour of India.
RE:To all intelligent people here
by USamanta on Jul 15, 2008 10:55 AM Permalink
India definitely need N-deal and civil nuclear reactors. But this deal will break India's bone. The present form of deal is nothing but CTBT and NPT. Unless US-Allies declare India a nuclear state, the present form of deal will totally break India's bone. Then China and Pakis will also even be stronger than India in near future over India's Nuclear-self-reliance.
RE:To all intelligent people here
by shah jafar on Jul 15, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
But deal will help India build its Nuclear weapon stock pile ,which otherwise is not possible. I believe its good overall may at the cost of some adjustment. Further in highly polarised world India needs to be in some block to really prosper.
RE:To all intelligent people here
by USamanta on Jul 15, 2008 11:02 AM Permalink
As I said, Unless US-Allies declare India a nuclear state, the present form of deal will totally break India's bone.
RE:To all intelligent people here
by Bonaventure on Jul 15, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
We should discuss the positives of the deal and the benefits it would have in the long run. Of course you need to give away something to achieve 99%. No deal is unilateral and one-sided.
Iran is a nuclear state even without USA-Allies declaring that.
This is a challenge to all those die hard communist fans. Please list the contribution that the leftist parties (CPI, CPI-M, CPM etc) have made to India's growth.
RE:List Communists Contribution
by ransaran on Jul 15, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
LEFTIST GREATEST CONTRIBUTION IS THAT THEY HAVE REMOVED HUNGER FROM W.BENGAL,WHERE AS EACH STATES IN INDIA IS WITNESSING HUNGER DEATH,DEBT RIDDEN FARMERS COMMITING SUICIDES.NO ONE HAVE HEARD SUCH CASES IN WEST BENGAL,KERALA AND TRIPURA. ALSO THESE STATES HAVE WITNESSED NO COMMUNAL DISTURBENCES AS HAPPENING IN OTHER PARTY RULES
RE:List Communists Contribution
by bharat on Jul 15, 2008 11:16 AM Permalink
"Removal of hunger" is can be achieved by statistical means. It depends on what you define as "removal of hunger". What is more important is whether these parties have created opportunities for people to earn a living in the states they rule?
RE:List Communists Contribution
by ransaran on Jul 15, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
yes grant of land to tatas,salim group of indonesia,providing exelant situation for the groth of trade and commerce. beside there is no communall voilence like guzrat
RE:List Communists Contribution
by George E on Jul 15, 2008 10:46 AM Permalink
1] growth in number of holidays due to hartals/bandhs, especially in Kerala. 2] growth in dissent and horse trading among politicians. 3] growth in the number of good policies opposed. 4] growth in the number of street agitations. 5] growth in the amount of people dis-satisfaction in the Left ruled states. 6] growth in the amount of delay of the various projects to be implemented and under implementation. 7] negative progress growth.
RE:List Communists Contribution
by Guest on Jul 15, 2008 10:56 AM Permalink
None of the so-called leftists have ever fought a popular election and have been MPs through Rajya Sabha. Moreover, all are old and growing senile. Hence they do not have any idea what Indians on the street require. They only know to handle power but not responsibility. It is unfortunate that when countries such as Russia, China are moving away from Communists, we are still humoring them.
A PM who has not obtained people’s mandate ever is going bull with a nuclear deal with abject disregard for people or parliament. 25-30 crores are offered to each M.P to switch loyalty. MMS is the biggest abettor of the Mavoists since present Indian politics is the best proof for them to convince angry young men that the largest democracy is in fact a farce and that big money Indian and foreign drives it.
RE:RE:stop this bull
by santosh bhattacharyya on Jul 15, 2008 10:45 AM Permalink
MR. WHY THE PUBLIC AND cOMPLAINER IS NOT GOING TO ANTICORRUPTION DEPPTT.CBI ABOUT THE HUGE 30CRORES BRIVE,THE COMPLAINER WILL GET LOYALITY BINOUS FROM THE DEPPTT.SO,I FEEL THAT GOT SOME BONUS FROM THE DEPPTT.
RE:stop this bull
by bharat on Jul 15, 2008 10:40 AM Permalink
Bulls do lot of useful things for man kind. So, don't stop any bull. It is more important to root out obnoxious weeds like commies. They only suck food from those who work hard to earn it and do not make any positive contribution.
RE:stop this bull
by rajesh kumar on Jul 15, 2008 11:04 AM Permalink
every body shopuld note taht only Communist are really against the deal. other party like BJP , Shiv sena and others are in favour. they are only opossing it only for opposition sake. so most of MPs are with deal but our learned politians are not having corouage to say right a right and wrong as wrong. they just want to see the managing quality of Manmohan Singh.it is really pity that democracy depends upon such coward politians
If one see the MMSingh and Congress Govt at the center, one should say barbaric Chinese Govt is 100 times better. Congress Govt does not take approval of Parliament and people's voice and notorious Chinese Govt also do the same.
RE:stop this bull
by soorma on Jul 15, 2008 10:48 AM Permalink
A PM is a PM because he enjoys special priveliges... Most of indian population is idiot(like you) which chooses criminals as its leaders... PM don't need parliament approval if he is convinced its good for the country...
DO you think NDA should have taken parliament/peoples approval to conduct Nuke tests?????
RE:stop this bull
by soorma on Jul 15, 2008 11:06 AM Permalink
Nuke tests was a very important decision. It brings sanctions against india which adds to suffering of people. Why not take people in confidence by your logic????
RE:stop this bull
by Sahadevan KK on Jul 15, 2008 11:12 AM Permalink
Confidence motion on July 22. But Confidence is not there; only there is motion... Loose Motion after Nuclear Motion! Congress is in a pathetic situation after suffering from Nuclear Diorrhea.
