not only dalits, why should TTD organise VIP darshans if all are equal before god?...first remove paid darshans and VIP darshans and make alll equal before god.....even VVIPS should be made to wait queus for darshans.,...
RE:TTD darshan
by alice springs on Jul 14, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
yes i accept ..but there will be immense trouble if VVIP stand in the same queue along with common man as there will be huge security cover and this will increase the discomfort of ordianry man ..better these VVIP can have a separate queue
RE:TTD darshan
by Siddhant Swaroop on Jul 14, 2008 04:05 PM Permalink
But then what bout the revenues these so called VVVips generate by paying for the darshan .it helps the poor. Separate lines is a better idea.
Has ever anyone heard that a 'HINDU' (meaning a follower of SANATAN DHARMA ,AS 'HINDU 'IS AN ABRITARY NAME GIVEN BY THE BRITISH HISTORIANS ) HAS GONE TO CONQUERE LANDS AND CONVERT PEOPLE INTO 'HIDU FRAME'? NEVER! 'BHARATBARSA' preached the vedic messages to sall but NEVER CONVETED! THE WRETCHED CONVERSION' WAS STARTED BY THE INVADER ISLAMIC BARBARIANS FIRST AND THEN THEIR SEMETIC BROTHER THE CHRISIANS KNOWING THE INNER STRICTNESSES OF RITULS IN SANATAN DHARMA! THEY CAPITALISED ON IT! TODAY ON SAME BASIS THE NEHRU CONGRESS THE FIRST GOVT AFTER INDEPENDENCE LIBERALLY TRIED TO WIPE OUT THE RITUALS OF SANATAN DHAFRMA BY MAKING LAWS! ALL MISDEEDS OG CONGRESS ! WE FIND TODAY'S 'HINDUS' ARE AGAINST PRACTICING HINDU CUSTOMS! BRAINWASHED SO MUCH! NO COMPULSIONS! PLEASE GIVE UP 'HINDU RELIGION' BUT ALSO GIVE UP THE HINDU NAME WHICH WILL HELP PRACTISING HINDUS! SO, EVEN IF THE FOLLOWERS OF SANATAN DHARMA GET LESSER IN NUMBER NO PROBLEM!THEN THEY (FOLLOWERS OF SANATAN DHARMA ) WILL GET THE 'MINORITY STATUS' EASILY AND WILL LIVE WITHOUT A CRITICISM ON THE GENUINE PATH FOR SALVATION! 'SANATAN DHARMA'(HINDUISM) TEACHES THE PATH OF SALVATION ALONGWITH LIVING THE LIVES TO MAT3ERIAL PLEASURE!UNLIKE THE RELIGIONS LIKE ISLAM , CHRISTIANITY THAT TALKS VERY LESS OF SALVATION! THE FIRST GOVERNMENT CONGRESS, HAD IT BEEN WISE, COULD PUT EVERYTHING TO RIGHT TRACK BUT INSTEAD DID SUCH A MESS IN EDUCATION THAT THE MASS ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS HINDU HATING! SO ITS A CALL
RE:Has anyone heard?
by mumbai on Jul 14, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
all in upper case letters? you are shouting too much. be cool take rest. is AC working in your room? if not just come out and breath fresh air. most of the people do not know what is sanathan dharm. first educate people with calm cool head. not shouting like this with upper case letter what is sanathan dharm and its principle. people may understand you
RE:Has anyone heard?
by MM Gupta on Jul 14, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
THE INACTIONS AND ANTIACTIONS BY THE GOVT WHO FRAMES /FRAMED LAWS TO CURB THE FREEDOM IN HINDU ACTIVITIES ARE GRAVE MATTERS! WHISPERING LIKE A NEWLY WED BRIDE IS NOT HEARD HERE ! ONLY THE COMMUNISTS' ROAD BLOCKAGES, GHERAOS, ETC ALL FORCEFUL ACTIONS WERE HEARD AND SO TE LEFTISTS HAVE A STAKE IN DICTATIING TERMS THOUGH ARE IN LEAGUE WITH CHINESE! What are you tryin g to say? AC is a common man's need? Your approach is not very polite ! Teaching is the job of the Govt NOT OF A COMMON MAN LIKE YOU! Today rubbish materials are made subjects of teaching!I will control it? or you? The country has not received a true education at the hands of the CONGRESS RULE! So people are in a dilema! !
RE:Has anyone heard?
by Pramod Chaitanya on Jul 14, 2008 04:07 PM Permalink
"Sanatana Dharma" means having only one dharma that preaches "Service to mankind". Yes it's too good, but u can not truely love (first love and then comes service) the humans who were created by God unless u understand the immaculate love of God. Love Him, accept Him and u can accept anyone selflessly. Have God's love and grace and then try giving them to others, for it's only God who can save us. His love on us is the real bliss
RE:RE:Has anyone heard?
by MM Gupta on Jul 14, 2008 04:45 PM Permalink
There are several factors in SANATAN DHARMA to mention them its inhuman task but some important ones are -- 'Brahma' thought HE IS ALONE and WANTED TO BE MANY!then creation started with the creation of MAYA what is nothing else than Brahma in another form, and like that after the whole creations as we ,see visually or meditate for invisibly or imagine as to be present or we cant perceive due to our limitationsand so on upto a limitles perception ARE ALL FORMS OF GOD ! Sakara or Nirakara!Thus comes that all men are forms of God and be respected and served in many styles!Upanishads, scriptures like Ramayana , Mahabharata Srimadbhagabatgita and all repeatedly tell how the behaviours should be! The Dharma rests on four pillars that GOD himself has devised! What is crticised a 'casteism ' is a perversion may be because of individuals' forced supremacy BUT THE DOCTRINES OF 'BARNASHRAM' OR THE DOCTRINES of 'mutual respects and behaviours ' and omnipresence of GOD everywhere and in every being cannot be ruled out! The matters to discuss is so vast that without an educational support from the family,the societies the schools the rulers and all,the common men are going to become confused as many things are matters of BELIEF TODAY THIS BASE OF BELIEF IS BEING ATTACKED BY MEN IN POWER FOR SELF INTERESTS! LIKE NEHRU IN SELF INTEREST MADE 'HINDU MARIAGE ACT' AND HELPED BREEDING OF DESTRUCTIONS TO HINDU HOMES! MANY INSTANCES ARE AVAILABLE TO QUOTE! PEOPLE NEED DHARMIC'RULE NOT THIS !
.. irrespective of their caste and community. Open the gates of Pathshalas for every one. Time has come to reveal and share your threasure and wisdom. Thealien rulers have gone now. There is no need to be over protective.
RE:Allow all, who want to study Vedas..
by Kris iyer on Jul 14, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Satyarthi, That has been done. For some years, many Veda Patasalas are very happy to admit people of any caste of Hindu. A lot of temple priests in TamilNadu and Kerala are not necessarily from Brahmin families. Everyone is happy about this. Many Swamijis in India now are not brahmins. But everyone listens to their Prasank.
I agree with some fellow members who have expressed their thoughts about this move. There is NO division of people before god. All are equal. This is politically motivated by the congress. This guy Karunakar Reddy has no brains. All people irrespective of caste/creed visit the aboard of the lord at Tirumala. This is totally uncalled for. We should kick such people, who politicize and bring in such divisions or rather classifying them as such. Thumbs down to TTD. Only Lord Save them !
The step of TTD towards considering Dalits does not glorify Dalits as we are all equal bfore the Lord and remember hearing vedas does not accord any holy status to anyone and do not send 'em to heaven. It's Salvation that is more important and nothing of such things can bring that. It's complete surrendering to real God (creator)and His forgiving of our sins takes us to Paradise. Just remember who spilled the blood to forgive all our sins. People pls wake up to the Truth...
RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Guest on Jul 14, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
>> surrendering to real God (creator) as long as there is only "one real god" , there will be people killed at his alter. its kind of strange that the followers of the most famous victim of the "one real god" (>> Just remember who spilled the blood to forgive all our sins.) are singing the same tune.
RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Devavrata Satya on Jul 14, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
Mr. Pramod Chaitanya,
How do you know that your God is the real God and others' God is not? Muslims also make similar tall claims, but offer no proof.
According to the theology of your great religion, someone like Hitler will be forgiven and granted heaven all his sins as long as he accepts Christ, and someone like Gandhi will be sent to hell, simply because he did not accept Christ. It is you who needs to wake up to the truth.
RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Pramod Chaitanya on Jul 14, 2008 04:24 PM Permalink
Hey I've no religion. Never will a person who has committed crimes can make it to heaven without getting punished to the fullest. Repentance before Christ and punishment are the must for any mistake and every human being might have erred at least once in his lifetime. The path is not easy, it's the toughest one. Living righteous life is the most important point to achieve this. My ideal, Gandhiji should have certainly made it to the heaven bcos of his xtreme righteous life - heaven could not have lost him.
RE:RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Gud Samaritan on Jul 14, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Dear Deva, The presence of an orderly and perfectly crafted nature (environment), say ecology and the very life on earth are created by a Supreme Being whom we call God. We can not deny this fact. Repentence if not before Christ, it is a must atleast before any one who has the capability to forgive all your sins. I pronounce that religion has nothing to do with God (there is nothing like ur God and my God). Our rationality and intelligence are God's gifts and He is above everything and everyone. No doctrine of Christianity can claim that Mahatma is in hell, damn that if it really says so. Accepting God needs understanding true Love and devotion, not getting awed by some myths. Mythology can not lead to spirituality and devotion. Here the discussion is the step taken by TTD. I appreciate if it helps in practically developing Dalits and making them good citizens but what I say is it will not elevate them in God's view as everyone is equal before Him.
RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Devavrata Satya on Jul 15, 2008 07:20 AM Permalink
Mr. Samaritan,
There is no evidence that either nature or life were created by a god of some sort. In the absence of evidence, we cannot deny god, but it is upto god or his believers to amass evidence.
If nature and life requires a supreme being to create it, how did this supreme being itself come into existence? If this being can come into existence by itself, so can nature and life.
I admire your progressive views, but I am sorry to say that they have little to do with Christianity and everything to do with your being a good human being.
Accepting God in the absence of evidence is itself getting overawed by myths. Spirituality is not about accepting God but being in search of God - not believing what has been handed down, but looking for oneself.
It is nice if you believe that the God you believe in views everyone equally. Just for comparison, the Christian God does not view believers and infidels equally.
RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by ted haggard on Jul 14, 2008 04:42 PM Permalink
bravo !!! if you are good you go to hevan and if you are bad you go to hell, do you need a god at all. do you do good things because you are scared of hell or it is because they are worth doing ??? i am not a thief, not because i am scared of police because i find the idea repungent
RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Pramod Chaitanya on Jul 14, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
Dear Bravo, Whether we need or not, there is God who created us. Just like how father of a family judges our deeds, so does the God. What u said is correct, we must always do good and even think good. But we all know - to err is human, to forgive is God. We've to face His judgement and our soul remains for eternity either in heaven or hell based on His verdict. We may be good according to us, but not according to the Supreme and Holiest being, the God. God's perception is far more superior and sensitive than ours. He loves us so much and we have to just acknowledge that - He will guide us...
RE:RE:Right or wrong gesture - it takes anyone nowhere
by Devavrata Satya on Jul 14, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
Mr. Chaitanya,
How do you know God created us? There is no evidence for this.
Assuming that God created us, why does he make us do wrong deeds? Apparently, he is an all-powerful God, capable of producing humans from nothing. Surely ensuring that these humans do nothing wrong must be child's play for him?
It is interesting how you talk with so much authority about God - I am wondering if you have a direct telephone line to him?
Please stop being overawed by bronze-age myths and the books that contain them. Learn to think critically and rationally.
I think Christianity has lot of potenial to make quick money. Look at our brothers in Kerala and NE region. Now, you don't need to change your name. Just visit church once in a week and distribute some fliers.
