Myth #11: India needs more nuclear power to assure its energy future.
by Suraj Singh on Jul 14, 2008 11:02 PM Permalink | Hide replies
Myth #11: India needs more nuclear power to assure its energy future.
Fact: Nuclear power has been virtually insignificant in India’s energy mix in the past, and will be no more important in the future. India has been generating electricity with nuclear reactors for more than 40 years. Yet, reactors supply only 2% to 3% of its electricity today. India has not built more reactors because they have not turned out to be as safe, or as clean, or – most important – as economical as originally thought. Even if India were to achieve a 50% increase in nuclear power generation (which is unlikely) such a step would only increase India’s overall electricity output by one percent at most, and would only increase India’s overall energy output by a fraction of one percent. That is not a significant increase in the energy available to India and would not decrease India’s demand for oil and gas.
then let Vayalar Ravi and Abhishek Singhvi tell us the right price.
by parvinder on Jul 14, 2008 10:37 PM Permalink | Hide replies
We know that politicians are most corrupt people and we have already seen when congress did the last time during rule of Narsimhan Rao. They can go to any height to do the same .. whynot they have looted India for so many years and they got the money.
RE:then let Vayalar Ravi and Abhishek Singhvi tell us the right price.
by tamil on Jul 14, 2008 10:42 PM Permalink
ask Karnatak BJP Ministers .. they hav the updated figures
RE:then let Vayalar Ravi and Abhishek Singhvi tell us the right price.
by mariappanpm on Jul 14, 2008 11:28 PM Permalink
Today your BJP president Rajnath sing has said that NDA would do every thing to oust UPA govt. Mr.parvinder what is meaning of the word 'everything'. Is it not included horse trading?
RE:if being an INDIAN makes us FEEL proud... these politicians makes me feel like HELL
by tamil on Jul 14, 2008 10:44 PM Permalink
wat makes u proud and not the politicians... politicians r the real Indians understand that.. they are our relatives not aliens.. they show the character when they have the power.. most Indians do that.. throw away ur common statement...
wen Indians r not controlled by bosses they act rubbish ( eg Govt Employees)
RE:RE:if being an INDIAN makes us FEEL proud... these politicians makes me feel like HELL
by tamil on Jul 14, 2008 10:48 PM Permalink
I hav worked for a East based MNC and an West based one...
Same guy worked differently ... ie he worked hard when he was with that East based one & less for the West .. why.. bcos most west based companies give more freedom and responsibility which Indians abuse... True Chameleon character
If they dont rubbish they will loose heavily in elections
by Kamal on Jul 14, 2008 10:25 PM Permalink | Hide replies
Whether true or not Congress has to rubbish Bharadhan's views. Each and every citizen of this country knows that most of the politicians in India are corrupt. They always wait for a chance to get loads of currency notes. ASk any aam aadmi whether they believe that horse trading is not taking place in the current political situation - you will definitely get a negative response. All will affirm that horse trading is taking place. Any exception??? No - given a chance it might happen with left parties too.
RE:If they dont rubbish they will loose heavily in elections
by red on Jul 14, 2008 10:28 PM Permalink
whom do you consider "clean" my bro...? These politicians can do anything for their personal benefits no matter if it need to kill someone or even its required they wouldn't mind to sold their own .....
US has installed last nuclear power plant in 1997 which means 10 years back! If nuclear enegy is so good then why US is not implementing in it's own country
Fact is US want nuclear mrket and India with so many US educated( Agents) is most suited nation ( Not MFN as china is). I hope US agents shud make noise with US on this issue
American Electric Power Co. isn't planning to build any new nuclear power plants because delays will push operational starts to 2020, CEO Michael Morris said Tuesday.
The first permit to build and operate a new U.S. reactor would be delayed by a court challenge that will probably reach the Supreme Court, Morris told reporters in Washington, D.C. Builders would also have to queue for certain parts and face "realistic" costs of about $4,000 a kilowatt, he said.
Power producers proposing to build reactors have suggested they could be operating by 2015 or 2016. About 20 percent of U.S. electricity is generated by nuclear power today.
Proposals to build as many as 28 new reactors have come after Congress in 2005 offered billions in loan guarantees and tax credits to those building new nuclear power plants. Reactors produce no greenhouse emissions, which contribute to global warming.
"I'm not convinced we'll see a new nuclear station before probably the 2020 timeline," Morris said.
Instead of nuclear plants, Columbus, Ohio-based AEP is proposing to build advanced coal-fired generation that would be able to capture carbon dioxi
RE:Facts abut nuclear power and US
by prasad safal on Jul 14, 2008 10:59 PM Permalink
You sound like a communist agent. This is the kind of propaganda commies usually resort to when they are cornered.Come up with your own facts and figures and make stories that are nothing but lie. Please Mr.Gupta, spare us.
The congress, in the tread of darkness, sold India to foreign countries by signing the 123 agreement along with the 2005 declaration. They allowed another country to legislate rules binding on India. Once rules were framed in London for us to follow!!! Let them uphold the traditions and culture of the congress party headed by patriots like Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Bipin Chandra Chatergi, Pandit Nehru, Indira Gandhi etc. Now they are acting like the small regional parties without any mass support. It is shameful for congress. The important matter namely the N-deal is no more a subject for discussion in the political circles. Painful indeed. All these unethical and anti-national processes are for the sake of nuclear energy that may flow by 2020 if the projects maintain the time schedule which seldom happens here. The cost of energy will be Rs20/-per unit and if the decommissioning cost is also added it will be Rs40/- per unit. The share of nuclear energy is only 10% of the total installed capacity. The nuclear waste disposal is the biggest problem waiting. Then why should we sign the deal? Then it can be termed a shoddy deal. It will negate all our activities for the nation building for rest of nation's life.
RE:Painful
by prasad safal on Jul 14, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
The biggest problem India is facing today is not congress signing the deal, it is dumb idiotic people like you !!!! India is sovereign country, can not be sold to anyone. We are our own masters come what may. signing the deal will only give us some source of energy for future generations. We have to understand that support the govt.This is a historical deal and an opportunity for India to be a developed country. All Indians must support the Govt.
It is good thing that the issue has got good publicity and has generated enough arguments, both for and against. The country was divided in 47 without any debate. Just executive action. The Kashmir issue to the UN was also without any debate. However, annexation of Hyderabad to the union was a proper executive action and the nation is grateful for it. The nuclear deal is an opportunity for the country to move away from the shakles of the left which has always worked against Indian interests, be in 1942, or in 62, or in matters of labour law reform or in presidential election of 2001-02. India needs all kinds of power/energy to industrialise, to create employment opportunities and to usher in real socialism as in USA; which is being emulated even by Russia and China. We can not progress without the help of West, and this is an opportunity. After all why our scientists could not harness Atomic energy to the extent China, France UK or Canada did having made the begining before China. Did the west prevent us. It is better to discard the bogey of swadeshi as has been done in case of DGTD. The economist PM means business and will surely bring prosperity thru the process of liberalisation and industrialisation.Those who oppose are obscurantists.
RE:The nuclear deal
by Gopal on Jul 14, 2008 10:36 PM Permalink
The important matter namely the N-deal is no more a subject for discussion in the political circles. Painful indeed. All these unethical and anti-national processes are for the sake of nuclear energy that may flow by 2020 if the projects maintain the time schedule which seldom happens here. The cost of energy will be Rs20/-per unit and if the decommissioning cost is also added it will be Rs40/- per unit. The share of nuclear energy is only 10% of the total installed capacity. The nuclear waste disposal is the biggest problem waiting. Economic liberalization and industrialization are good. But it should not be at the cost of sovereignty and independence. Let there be a N-deal between two sovereign states. Here we surrender our sovereignty by signing the deal. Here we allowed another country to legislate rules for us to follow. Is it for this that freedom fighters sacrificed their life? The whole of India endured the pains of the freedom struggle starting from 1857
RE:The nuclear deal
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 14, 2008 10:09 PM Permalink
Why US has not commissioned any nuclear energy plant in last 10 years. Why whole Europe except France is decommisioning their plant? These needs answer. Cyber coolies are making noise in favour of the deal. The Ex employee of world bank and IMF are hell bent to see that deal is through. They are use all means , be it journalist, diplomats, scientists to prove that deal will do wonder.
This all lie. Deal will make us prone to blackmailing by uranium nations
who says that liberlisation and industrialisation is bad. But it has to be done in a manner where fruit of evelopment reaches every one. may not be equally but atleast some part. The whole economic policy of our Economist PM have made poor poorer and divided the country even on economic line
RE:The nuclear deal
by Girish Rao on Jul 14, 2008 10:12 PM Permalink
because OIL was cheap all these days. Wait and watch while nuclear power once again comes into prominence world wide
RE:The nuclear deal
by ASHOK on Jul 14, 2008 10:27 PM Permalink
Rao >. I agree, we need to broad base our energy resources. Be it Solar / Wind / Hydro / or Nuclear. All are needed and we need allround development. Reprocessing / enriching used Uranium is the answer to nuclear Waste disposal and that is what India is doing. Indian scientists have perfect plan in place. Unfortunately people on the forum have very little idea and they start commenting based on ONE TRACK approach.
RE:The nuclear deal
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 14, 2008 10:35 PM Permalink
Ashok, I may not have big idea but if I remember correctly, enriching uranium is not allowed as per international Law. The whole objection for nuclear programe of Iran is this only. Enriched uranium is used for milettary purpose and India cannot enrich uranium supplied by US and its allies. All the plants will be under agengy suppervision. Plsae correct me if I am wrong
RE:The nuclear deal
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 14, 2008 10:20 PM Permalink
Girish, it will never. It is hazardeous. Nuclear waste management is very costly. US dumps its waste in Africa. But where will we dump it? Will Gandhi or Buddha permit us to dump it Bangladesh!
Europe is decommissioning its plans. Why? Why US has no plan to install more Plants. When India will et the fruits if it decide to install a Plant. All these need answer. Supporter of deal are making noise and not allowing any body to speak.
This is no democracy. This a typical congress way. They cannot tolerate opposition
RE:The nuclear deal
by prasad safal on Jul 14, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
Hey dumb ass Vinay, you are giving all false information. US is not dumping its waste in Africa. Who told you that? Karat?
RE:RE:The nuclear deal
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 14, 2008 10:21 PM Permalink
Girish, it will never. It is hazardeous. Nuclear waste management is very costly. US dumps its waste in Africa. But where will we dump it? Will Gandhi or Buddha permit us to dump it Bangladesh!
Europe is decommissioning its plans. Why? Why US has no plan to install more Plants. When India will et the fruits if it decide to install a Plant. All these need answer. Supporter of deal are making noise and not allowing any body to speak.
This is no democracy. This a typical congress way. They cannot tolerate opposition
RE:The nuclear deal
by Gopal on Jul 14, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
The important matter namely the N-deal is no more a subject for discussion in the political circles. Painful indeed. All these unethical and anti-national processes are for the sake of nuclear energy that may flow by 2020 if the projects maintain the time schedule which seldom happens here. The cost of energy will be Rs20/-per unit and if the decommissioning cost is also added it will be Rs40/- per unit. The share of nuclear energy is only 10% of the total installed capacity. The nuclear waste disposal is the biggest problem waiting. Economic liberalization and industrialization are good. But it should not be at the cost of sovereignty and independence. Let there be a N-deal between two sovereign states. Here we surrender our sovereignty by signing the deal. Here we allowed another country to legislate rules for us to follow. Is it for this that freedom fighters sacrificed their life? The whole India endured the pains of the freedom struggle.
RE:The nuclear deal
by Suraj Singh on Jul 14, 2008 11:03 PM Permalink
Myth #11: India needs more nuclear power to assure its energy future.
Fact: Nuclear power has been virtually insignificant in India’s energy mix in the past, and will be no more important in the future. India has been generating electricity with nuclear reactors for more than 40 years. Yet, reactors supply only 2% to 3% of its electricity today. India has not built more reactors because they have not turned out to be as safe, or as clean, or – most important – as economical as originally thought. Even if India were to achieve a 50% increase in nuclear power generation (which is unlikely) such a step would only increase India’s overall electricity output by one percent at most, and would only increase India’s overall energy output by a fraction of one percent. That is not a significant increase in the energy available to India and would not decrease India’s demand for oil and gas.
