It is not muslim but the innocent victims of Hindus's atrocities,who have no other choice but to take revenge.This is high time for hindus to improve themselves and bring out culprits from them to law.
What do you worship? People of Jerusalem said: We worship idols, and are ever devoted to them. He said: Do they hear you when you cry? Or do they benefit or harm you? They said: Nay, but we found our fathers acting in this manner. He said: See now that which you worship, you and your forefathers! Lo! They are (all) an enemy to me, except the Lord of the Worlds. Who created me, and He guides me, And Who feeds me and waters me. And when I sicken, then He heals me. And Who causes me to die, then gives me life (again) And Who, I ardently hope, will forgive me my sin on the Day of Judgment.
One day, while all the townspeople o Jerusalem were out, Abraham smashed all the idols with his right hand except for one, which was very large. When the people returned they were furious. They remembered the things Abraham had said about the idols. They had him brought forth before everyone and demanded, ‘Is it you who did this to our gods, O Abraham?' Abraham replied, ‘But this their chief did it. Ask them, if they are able to speak ' The people exclaimed, ‘You know they do not speak.' ‘Do you worship what you yourselves have carved when GOD created you and what you make?' Abraham continued, ‘Do you worship instead of God that which cannot profit you at all, nor harm you?
Brothers referring to the msg. posted by Mr. Sudhir Singh i really can't understand the mental thinking of our people. Today the whole world is fighting the islamic terrorists and 99% are followers of islam. But that doesn't mean that every muslim is a terrorist. I don't want to discriminate but this way we r insulting our muslim soldiers who r & hv sacrificed their lives defending Indian frontiers. Bcoz they considered themselves as Indians. Lt. Hanifuddin, Abid Hussain in Kargil war, PVC winner Abdul Hamid in 1965 all v/s coward pakistan.
I m not appeasing what muslims r doing but can't blame every muslim as well. My school friend Lt. Mujahid Khan has just joined the army & is defending our borders in Kashmir. U mean to say is he a terrorist?
This way we r alignating our muslim brothers (those who r patriots). our enemies just want this to happen that there should be communal enemity in India & they can take its advtg.
Dear muslim brothers we all r Indians. don't fall into the enemy trap. this way u r destroying ur own nation. remember ur forefathers hv fought for India's independence.
INDIA WILL NEVER DIVIDE AGAIN & THOSE WHO WANTS TO DESTABILISE IT WILL BE KILLED.
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 12:08 PM Permalink
I second your post and message. You are right, we should not alienate good patriotic Muslim Indians. We have to debate with facts in a civilized fashion and not insult and attack all Muslims. That is wrong.
Unfortunately, about 40% of our Muslims are more patriotic to Pakistan than India. It is this group that brings bad name to all Muslims. We have all seen the likes of Akbaruddin Owais, Hyderabad MLA, openly say that is a Muslim and not an Indian. The good muslims must take an active role to educate these bad apples that their anti-national activities are not in the interest of Indian muslims.
More importantly, Indian Muslims should stop being in denial about the harm that Islamic invaders had done to our ancient land culminating in the partition. The pakis have ever since used Indian muslim cells to cause harm to India. Why not the Muslims reach out for atonement and rapproachment? While they cannot be held responsible for the historical wrong of their ancesotors, they do have a responsibility to admit those wrongs and sincerely apologize to the Hindus and Sikhs in a true spirit of reconciliation and atonement.
I am not a religious person. But, why not the Muslims let the main temples like Ayodya and Kashi Viswanath temple etc. to be rebuild on their original places as the Hindus want as a gesture of this reconciliation? If the Muslims do this with sincerety, I am sure the whole Muslim-Hindu paradigm will change for a more harmonious furture for all
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by shakil ansari on Jul 12, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
virgo i take strong objections to placing 40% muslims as pak supporters this is absolutely wrong misconcieved and slanderous
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 12:27 PM Permalink
Shakil,
One more thing. A majority of the Muslims did indeed support the partition and thus were not actually pro-India. Otherwise, partition would not have happened.
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by shakil ansari on Jul 12, 2008 12:38 PM Permalink
virgo A majority of hindus too supported partitioned in the hope that they will get rid of muslims
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by JGN on Jul 12, 2008 08:03 PM Permalink
Mr.shakil ansari, majority of hindus did not support partition. Thank the founding fathers of our nation for making it a secular democratic republic despite the animosities during partition. He they wanted, they could have declared India a "Hindu" nation on the same lines Pak declared an "Islamic" nation.
The two nation theory had its origin in the Lucknow Pact of 1916 (even before the leaders at the time of independence entered into active politics).
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by KHALI on Jul 12, 2008 12:56 PM Permalink
Dear Virgo i m not taking a defensive action. i just want to mention the facts. we r not a coward community but that does not mean that we should keep on hammering the plate of terrorist on every muslim.
dear shakil, what virgo says is also not wrong. if not 40 pc then atleast 20pc of them (i m not using the word muslims for them as such people don't hv any religion) r pro-pakistanis. they celebrate when India loses to pakis in sports, they observe black day on 15th Aug & 26th Jan, they carry posters of Laden, say down wz U.S. and Israel. If u still think those 20pc r not anti-Indians then tell me as to why r they not supporting the Hindus who make a cry to hang Afzal guru, re-patriation of Dawood Ibrahim, hanging of abu salem? We don't ask muslims not to say their prayers but then why r some of them against saying "Vande Mataram". Hv we all not said it in schools? those who r supporting the coward pakistanis will meet the same fate.
remember the pakis will not pay any heed once they achieve their goal. muslims who went to pak in 1947 considering themselves free from Hindu India they r still known as MOJAHIRS and not pakistanis. Remember this fact and then act.
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by mumbai on Jul 12, 2008 01:51 PM Permalink
one question. is binladen responsible for 9/11? is yes who confirmed? it is scientifically proved by world's top most engineers that flights can never bring the three buildings down. it was controlled implotion. what is your reply for that?
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 01:56 PM Permalink
Khali,
When I said defensive I did not mean you. I was addressing Muslims. Your views are progresive and civilized. I agree with them. The problem is that while there are a lot of very good patriotic Indian Muslims, there are a very significant number who are anti-national pro-paki bad apples. It is thse people who spoil the name of the good muslims.
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by JGN on Jul 12, 2008 08:15 PM Permalink
Mr.shakil ansari, I do not want to make any guesstimate about the muslims supporting Pak. According to me, not even one Indian muslim should support Pak as that is a separate country. No Indian muslim will be accepted by them, except for creating trouble in our Country. India is your Country as much as it is mine.
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by mumbai on Jul 12, 2008 12:41 PM Permalink
have you ever mingled with them during the time of partition? have you ever mingled with them during the time of indo pak war? have you ever enjoyed the cricket matches with them before 1980s. if your answer is yes then ask your conscience. If your answer is no then ask those people who have yes answer to these questions. then ask your conscience how much you are correct.
Please remember the truth "VINASA KALE VIPRIT BUDDHI". This was tru yesterday, this is true today. and will true tomorrow also.
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
Well, we can debate whether 40% is correct. May be I am overstating that. I will grant you that. But do you deny that there is a very significant number of Indian Muslims wo are pro-paki?
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by mumbai on Jul 12, 2008 12:35 PM Permalink
What made you to overstate? hatredness towards muslims. when you hate them so much what you expect from them?
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 01:59 PM Permalink
It was a guess. May not be an overestimation if you consider that most muslims of prepartition India wanted to create Pakistan. Without a vast majority supporting the partition, that would not have happened. So, further reflection suggests that 40% number is not a bad one.
IT is not hatred, but examination of evidence and facts.
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 01:53 PM Permalink
Apparenlty you are one of those 40% or 30% of the anti-Indian muslims. You will not be bringing any harmony to your communtiy or the country. If you guys feel anti-indian, then the fair thing to do is move to Bangaldesh or Pakistan as these were created for you guys. THis way, patriotic Muslims can coexist peacefully with their Hindu, Sikh and other Indian brothers.
By the way, I am not RSS or any other ideological sponsor. I just speak the truth with a view to achieve communal harmony.
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by mohamed mubin on Jul 12, 2008 01:36 PM Permalink
what about perpetrators of all violence, and state sponsered violence against innocent muslims in india. dear kali
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
Violence against anyone or any community is wrong. But, you have to realize that Muslims history of India had to inevetablly lead to Hindu assertiveness. In modern times, muslim aggressiveness was the source of Hindu assertiveness the starting point being the Calipahte movement of 1920 and the associated massacre of tens of thousands of Hindus. Gujarat massacre, as horrible as it was, would never have happened without the provocation by Muslism by buring alive the Hindus.
Muslims have to accept the truth. Defensiveness and denial is not the solution/
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by shakil ansari on Jul 12, 2008 01:53 PM Permalink
virgo thats means u are justifying the massacre of innocent muslims. this is very shamefull
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 02:08 PM Permalink
Absolutely not. I am just stating action and reation. It does not mean I am justifying that. In fact, the news of Gujarat massacre made me sick to my stomach and for the firt time ashamed to be a fellow Hindu of those barbaric killers. There are not many Hindus except the hardcore fanatics who will try to justify that. Now, most muslims justify 9/11, massacre of Hindus, Christians and others. You know that is a fact if you are honest.
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by mumbai on Jul 12, 2008 01:54 PM Permalink
again false information. who burnt the train? dont think repeating the lie again and again it will become true.
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by JGN on Jul 12, 2008 08:11 PM Permalink
mumbai, the train was burnt by muslims. There is no doubt about that. I very well remember the TV reports during that time. Even fire tenders were not allowed to go near the buring train by the mob and some people who jumped out of the train was pushed back into the fire.
The incident was most probably the result of some tussels between the Passengers of S-6 compartment and the unlicenced vendors (who happened to be muslims). I do not think there was any "conspiracy" behind that.
It is unfortunate that a lot of people were affected in its aftermath.
Those who committed crimes should be punished, irrespective of religion. This sort of heart-burn is the result of segregating people on the basis of religion.
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by Virgo on Jul 13, 2008 12:22 AM Permalink
JGN,
I really think there was a conspiracy. The paki ISI agents had planned this well. Otherwise how do you justify the ready availability of large quantity of fuel for the purpose? It is not easy to set a train on fire. The compartment was locked by the terrorists to prevent the victims to escape.
More importantly, you see the replies by the Muslim posters here. None of them have expressed any remorse or sympathy for the Bombay train blast victims.
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 02:10 PM Permalink
I have no doubt that Paki ISI sponsored Muslim terrorists deliberately did that to inflame Hindu-Muslim violence. SIMI is nothing more than a paki ISI arm.
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by mumbai on Jul 12, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
your message deserves appreciation. you have named few muslims who serve the country and showing some soft corners towards muslims. Why dont you tell those who act against the nations? why dont you name them? bring their names to public who have fallen in the traps of the enemies.
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by stephen francis on Jul 12, 2008 01:07 PM Permalink
Mr.Yusuf, the intelligence organisations are not fools. They are well organised, have a structured organisation, well organised procedures etc. It is otherwise difficult to run a country like India. India is certainly not singapore with CCTV's camera, individual surveillance by police at 24 hours, high literacy & CID's at every 10 metres. But we do have the police, CID, CBI, IB, Raw & several layers of interface agencies, that penetrate even the religious structures. So we need not undermine them. The reality is that Muslims have remained traditionally illiterate, marginalised & backward from the main stream for ages across the world not only India. Then the religious leaders like Mullahs, who are themselves illiterate, ignorant but ofcourse have studied the Koran, try to politically motivate the youth to keep their seats & their well being. This enables them to all sort of illegitimate pleasures & power while having the grip of the community. Further funding from charity & political bodies ensures good supply of money. However charity & political influence comes with their share of devious intentions by these funding bodies some of which are Anti-National & based abroad in Saudi-Pakistan-US or wherever. All know that muslims 95% across the world are illiterate & ignorant & easy to play with. So the crimes. Its only better to increase more education & growth in the community to ensure betterment.
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
You are taking a defensive line. There is a lot of record that the paki ISI has many cels of Indian Muslims such as the SIMI. There can be no doubt about the antinational activities of SIMI. Even the original founder of SIMI (now a professor in the US) has said that he left SIMI after the ISI took over the organization.
Sure, Bajang Dal and outfits like that are communal. However, they are not antinational like the SIMI. While there are many good patriotic Muslim indians like Kalam and others, you cannot deny that there is a very significant number of Muslims are more pan-Islamic and pro-paki antinationals. Being defensive does not change this fact.
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by Mir Alam on Jul 12, 2008 10:56 AM Permalink
HIndus r born Rioters, Bride burners, filthy and hate mongers. They should be killed and dumped in sea.
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by Patriotman on Jul 12, 2008 11:10 AM Permalink
Hindus are rioters, only whereever muslims act against their own country....Muslims are bride burners as well as follow the hobby of getting married to number of brides and divorce them after "using" them.
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by GRJ on Jul 13, 2008 12:43 PM Permalink
Who are Afghans / Mongoloids who mixed up with Indian blood while they rampaged and invaded Pak and india.
They left their drops of blood in these continents.....while they were busy rampaging, rioting,burning,raping, plundering, carrying back women to their lands and leaving their blood in India and pak..... orphaned.....confused....called Mohajirs !!!
Gross violation of HUMAN RIGHTS. They are still escaping punishment......justifyingg through religious beliefs.
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by COMMON MAN on Jul 12, 2008 12:08 PM Permalink
It is not muslim but the innocent victims of Hindus's atrocities,who have no other choice but to take revenge.This is high time for hindus to improve themselves and bring out culprits from them to law.
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by Virgo on Jul 12, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
Whether it is HIndu or Muslim culprits, they must be brought to justice. No argument there. However, Muslims cannot be in denial about Islamic paki sponsored terrorists setting off bombs in India and killing innoocents. The problem is that many muslims prefer to be defensive and deny these terrorist bombings. This will only further erode your credibility.
I am not bashing muslims, but just pointing out facts.
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by mumbai on Jul 12, 2008 11:59 AM Permalink
Appreciate your bold statemen. It is understood that you have been terrorised by them. Come out boldly and start the work. there are people waiting to follow you.
It look like current education does not teach any social or moral values...it only teaches the math and science etc...
The result is it are educated and computer literate peoples are fighting here like real fools.
What the hell would be the result of blaming each other, does this blame game offer any solution..if you look beyond it .. you may work on finding a solution...
now don't offer foolish solutions like removing a particular community so... only practical solution would be start of healthy communication between communities and faith in mankind
if you look you will find good or bad people across the religions, communities and ideologies . What does it mean..it means that human race is above all communities, religions or ideologies.
i may look further on this topic ....when i get some free time.....
Summary of the above interview, clearly says that, don't depends upon Police, RailWay, ATS etc. etc. [Everybody transfering responsibilties to each otehr]. I think; We, the Common People needs to take the responsibility of our own Life. And to avoid such incidents, we need to be alerts, active. This will only will give some gaurantee of our life. These agencies can't find the suspects within 2 Years, then there is no point.
what do mean while saying that there is security plan for railways why not done till now in last 2 years,dont write like politicians,do it ASAP and be thankful to people who gave u such post .
