NSG and IAEA were formed by the US to deprive certain countries of nuclear weapons. USa determine everything there. Thus, India now is in a trap. Even without any deal, Russia was willing to supply 6 nuclear plants only 3 months ago, but India decided to go to IAEA first. Thus, the electricity of nuclear fuels are not the real issue. The real issue is to put India in the American military block. MM Singh has been trying that since 1991 in various ways.
OUR FUTURE AND DESTINY WILL BE CONTROLLED BY THE WEST.
- coz, cong-i is selling our nation to the west, in those secret pages.
- coz, cong-i is giving away: 2,000,000,000,000.00 dollars (thats 2KB), from our nation's treasury to the west.
- coz, cong-i is moving our once-proud-and-independent army, scientists and jawans, to become puppets in the hands of the west,
- coz, for the next 250 years, our children will be paying back this `loan-agreement` you are signing, on our behalf!
- coz, india will once again become a slave of the west, like it was for a thousand years b4 '47.
- coz, IAEA's spies (read inspectors) from porkistan, usa, uk, europe, saudi arabia, bangladesh, basically even from the worst banana republic country on earth,
- they can legally enter our innermost-secret-defense-wartime-armed-forces-areas, LEGALLY THEY CAN (AND NO INDIAN CAN STOP `EM),
- and they can LEGALLY check up on ANY PAPER, AND DOCUMENT, AND EQUIPMENT, ANY OFFICER, ANY JAWAN, ANY COMPUTER, ANY ANYTHING!
- coz, our home will become a wasteland, a home we have protected from the invaders from mid-east and the west, for the last millions of years...
RE:this is a fraud report:
by eagle on Jul 10, 2008 02:39 AM Permalink
You are a fool. That is all I can say. you are one scared fool. Sitting on your computer and writing all kind of crap.
and who dunnit? madame, rahul, mms, pc, arjun, commies, mulayam, and the katlu's- the muslim congi MP's running our center.
- coz, cong-i is selling our nation to the west, in those secret pages.
- coz, cong-i is giving away: 2,000,000,000,000.00 dollars (thats 2KB), from our nation's treasury to the west.
- coz, cong-i is moving our once-proud-and-independent army, scientists and jawans, to become puppets in the hands of the west,
- coz, for the next 250 years, our children will be paying back this `loan-agreement` you are signing, on our behalf!
- coz, india will once again become a slave of the west, like it was for a thousand years b4 '47.
- coz, IAEA's spies (read inspectors) from porkistan, usa, uk, europe, saudi arabia, bangladesh, basically even from the worst banana republic country on earth,
- they can legally enter our innermost-secret-defense-wartime-armed-forces-areas, LEGALLY THEY CAN (AND NO INDIAN CAN STOP `EM),
- and they can LEGALLY check up on ANY PAPER, AND DOCUMENT, AND EQUIPMENT, ANY OFFICER, ANY JAWAN, ANY COMPUTER, ANY ANYTHING!
- coz, our home will become a wasteland, a home we have protected from the invaders from mid-east and the west, for the last millions of years...
I think someone in Rediff News Bureau is trying to fool the readers are he is simply naive and want to be heard for cheap.
Nothing will move forward in the deal unless US blesses this deal. Remember this is not a UN or some kind of a world level deal - tis is simply a contry to country deal where rest of the world is waiting for this to conclude. Nobody will move forward unless this is blessed by US at the end. Even if Russia is willing, the deal will be VERY expensive because they know we will have nowhere to go (Aus already refused to export Uranium to us unless NPT is signed - not this deal). Apart from Democrat controlled US, China will also pressurize other countries to oppose any nuclear trade with us.
What we will end up with are: * We will open up significant number of nuclear plants for IAEA inspections * Begging for Uranium worldwide as we will have legal right to do so after the NSG approval of this deal * Koodankulam will have few reactors, but * No other new reactors from foreign countries other than Russia * Russia will charge us heavily (ala Gorshkov deal) to give with and exorbidant along the way * Anytime we install a new reactors rest of the world would like that to be inspected by IAEA * US and the rest of the world will keep accusing us of diverting nuclear materials for military purposes citing similarity with Iran and North Korea * The beginning of pressure to sign all treaties beginning with FMCT and then CTBT and then NPT * Our power shortages wi
RE:Don't believe this report
by eagle on Jul 10, 2008 02:45 AM Permalink
US and the rest of the world will keep accusing us of diverting nuclear materials for military purposes citing similarity with Iran and North Korea
YOu lost it there.. we already have enough nuke warheads to put most of our enemies and destry ourselves too..
Nuke is only a deterent not a weapon to use.
If you have read about the cold war lessons learnt.
Amassing weapns is not indias goal.. Energy is the goal. Now inspections will not be a problem.
and we dont have much of secrets.
Tech secrets... yeah but not much...
What if our tech is a lousy one... it might be a win win..
external pressure... for what there has not been any pressure except for the nuke testing.. during NDA govt..
Many people here opposes the loan waiver for farmers by Manmohan Singh. If we neglect agriculture we loose significance in the world. Thereby, economic strength will be lost. We have already experienced scarcity of wheat in the past and today or tomorrow the same problem may be faced by rice. In the name of Special Economic Zones, we are patronising industrialists who are offering very few jobs to the local youth. Instead, they are reaping benefits in the name of tax holidays. Thanks to Manmohan Singh for his great service to the poor farmer by waiving Rs 72 crore loans, for Rural Employment Guarantee Act which ensures employment guarantee, food at reasonable price despite inflation, conveyance to rural people to the place of work. People say that whatever financial support you may give the farmer, but he doesn’t survive without a private loan. Whatever be the truth, agriculture and agriculturists both must be protected for the food security. Food security and energy needs both are inter-related. Bio fuel demands for agriculture produce, farmers changes crop pattern as per the market trend and less land will be available for the food grain production. Thats the reason we want this deal and government.
RE:Farmer's Message
by PKN on Jul 10, 2008 12:04 AM Permalink
shailendra lande , you have cut and pasted this message . But anyone who reads the content of your mail would suggest that you the sunject as "Stupid Farmer's Message" First the government did not give 72 Crores but 72000 Crs! Ask yourself how the government gave 72000 crs. Poor Stupid farmer may think that Government grows money in land around the Parliament. But government needs to collect it from somewhere . As the Finance minister himself said he collected this Industry , SEZs etc etc. The rest of the nonsense you have written like Food at reasonbale prices (?) conveyance to rural people (?) is mere propaganda . Dont waste you time on the this site . Go and paint it on the walls of your village, may be somebody will beleive it and vote for your party-which ever it is!
The news about NSG approval requirement and not USA as such is a welcome sign. Why the hell the Congress has not done homework?. Since the Politicians and Bubus are incapable of doing anything but just reading the papers and books, the businessmen are very smart to get the things done by fixing. It is high time the government and the babus at Delhi tell the businessmen to supply Urnaium. They know how to fix any leader in the world belonging to NSG and get the consensus in hours or days even if the number is more than 100. Like great businessmen have told that every leader in the world has a price and if that is paid, then things will materialize. Our approach should be positive rather than bringing down governments and cause inflation by the 30Kcrore expenditure on general elections. If Indian government can give 10 billions and fix leaders it is worth than having elections now in the near future which is bound to take place due to greediness of some members.
This revelation should totally take the bottom out of the Left's arguments against the Deal. Now Karat has also started singing a different tune. He has started saying that price rise is another major reason for the pullout and the Centre is always focused on the N-Deal only!...
However based on the discussions that India has been having for the past two years we can guess that we are most likely to have a nuclear deal with all three countries - Russia, France as well as the United States (in return for the help the US has extended in pulling us out of the nuclear apartheid). It is not wise to put all our eggs in one basket & considering the long term objective of a multipolar world. If the article is 100% correct, the US deal may have to wait for the next administration to ratify and deals with other countries may precede it.
Competition will also ensure we get the best of the nuclear technology and the fuel at ideal terms.
I would like to share my opinion on the current n-Deal issue here,
We don't need or fully rely on 123-Agreement with U.S, for 2 reasons,
1. It only gives us a provision to get nuclear materials (fuels, equips, and other technologies) to use in civil applications for which we have more than enough fuels, tech's and requir's for nuclear energy for another 40 yrs.
2. The deal is just a business contract between big private investors in U.S,E.U and some in India, by which it's going to fruitful only for the investors and U.S government at the cost of "OUR" energy & money.
What our India may really need at this moment (not urgently pushed though) is to get in to international practice of safeguarding our civil-only nuclear reactors for which to my understanding, IAEA is providing provisions which doesn't affect our internal affairs/interests on nuclear technology other than civil.
IAEA safeguard standard/framework provides a set of flexible provisions to match with respective countries requirements on nuclear energy safegaurd.
In that i'd found that there are 2 options,"Item specific safeguards agreements" & "Voluntary offer safeguards agreements" which allows the state/country which gets under agreement to categorize their nuclear reactors in to civil/defense, and it's up to the state/country to decide to which set of reactors to come under the IAEA safeguards.
India will get some Uranium from USA or other countries. USA will make huge money from this sale to India. Hoping people in Indian villages will allow nuclear power stations to be built in their backyard (after long agitations like Nandigram), India will build nuclear power stations at huge cost after killing many agitating Indians. Now comes some excuse and US slaps sanctions on India!!! No flow of Uranium to India and all the money we spent for the power stations is wasted. Anyone who remembers what was happening to fuel supply for Tarapore plant from USA in 1960s would know their track record. Anyone who does a risk analysis of this deal will not advise to go ahead. The risk of accident (similar to atom bomb explosion) also very high with this technology. On top of all this, it can only produce electricity which cannot be used as fuel in cars and buses - and the price of this electricity will be more expensive than all other means of electricity production, one KWh (unit) may cost Rs 10 my friend.
RE:Economics of Nuclear deal
by Cool Customer on Jul 09, 2008 10:34 PM Permalink
Joy Abraham Good Fiction writing! Wonder why talents like yours remain hidden while JK Rowling gets away with a make beleive world of wizards.
I loved the sequential build up of the suspense and how the climax results in the impending doom of an atom bomb.
you are just a fool. if you do not know properly, why do you open your mouth?
Read the facts below about the deal:
After the deal,
(1) countries belonging to the NSG (Nuclear Suppliers Group) will waive restriction for India and India will get a de facto Nuclear State status. This will create great advantage for India in international politics.
(2) All countries of the NSG then can supply us technology and fuel for power generation. France and Russia have said that they will immediately supply technology to India after the NSG waiver. Australia also has said that they will supply uranium just after the waiver by the NSG.
(3) At least 20 percent of our electricity can be produced in the coming 5 years after the waiver. Later on more power plant can be established. For example, France produces 80% of their electricity from nuclear power plants.
(4) We will NO longer depend on oil import from middle east countries so heavily as we do now.
(5) This deal is for the civil nuclear cooperation. The military reactors will be uneffected by the deal. So it will not have any binding on our military nuclear technology (read nuclear bomb).
RE:Economics of Nuclear deal
by shaji chembarathickal thomas on Jul 09, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
Then why US has not made a single reacter since 1973, they also depend on other countries for fuel. WITH THIS DEAL IN THEIR TERMS US CAN ARM TWIST INDIA REGARDING OUR FORGIEN POLICY IN FUTURE. WHY NOT INDIAN GOVT DISCLOCING THE INDIA SPECIFIC TERMS TO PUBLIC IF IS SO BENAFICAL FOR INDIA , IF SO EVERYBODY CAN GO THROUGH AND JUDGE
RE:RE:Economics of Nuclear deal
by Cool Customer on Jul 09, 2008 10:42 PM Permalink
I wonder if most of the names that oppose and see a sinister plan of US seem to coinidentally belong to a specific region or is this a part of larger belief due the predominant Left infuence in the region?
The deal is confidential jsut due to the nature of sensitivity around the material. Not all classified material can be made public. However, the governement has made teh zest of the deal public. You need to be smarter than a nuke scientist like Kalam to have worries about a sinister plan. If you cant trust his brain, chances are you wont trust anybody including your own self!
What is you basis of claiming that US can arm twist. Give a specific caluse and a hypothesis to prove your point than just plain ranting, please.
RE:Economics of Nuclear deal
by Sameer on Jul 09, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
Account deleted writes
"At least 20 percent of our electricity can be produced in the coming 5 years"
Is he under influence of ganza? how can people be so stupid. It takes 10 years to build one plant--that is if everything goes well. And second, each plant will cost 42,000 crores rupees.
RE:Economics of Nuclear deal
by anusharan tiwari on Jul 09, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
Every body says that france produces 80% Elec from Nuke.. Dear please see the size and population of france. Then compare the situation with india.
France is the world's largest net exporter of electricity due to its very low cost of generation, and gains over EUR 3 billion per year from this. Thanks to nuclear reactor technology.
France has 59 nuclear reactors operated by Electricité de France (EdF) with total capacity of over 63 GWe, supplying over 430 billion kWh per year of electricity, 78% of the total generated there. In 2005 French electricity generation was 549 billion kWh net and consumption 482 billion kWh - 7700 kWh per person. Over the last decade France has exported 60-70 billion kWh net each year and EdF expects exports to continue at 65-70 TWh/yr.
RE:Economics of Nuclear deal
by ouch on Jul 09, 2008 09:46 PM Permalink
France is an industrialized country you nut, its per-capita electricity consumption is way larger than India. India is not even fully electrified today and there are power-cuts in metroes.
France is the world's largest exporter of electricity due to its very low cost of generation, and gains over EUR 3 billion per year from this. Thanks to nuclear reactor technology.
France has 59 nuclear reactors operated by Electricité de France (EdF) with total capacity of over 63 GWe, supplying over 430 billion kWh per year of electricity, 78% of the total generated there. In 2005 French electricity generation was 549 billion kWh net and consumption 482 billion kWh - 7700 kWh per person. Over the last decade France has exported 60-70 billion kWh net each year and EdF expects exports to continue at 65-70 TWh/yr.
So, in comparison, although France is smaller than India, they generate several times more electricity than India do.
