RE:Left to pull out
by Pramod Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 02:58 PM Permalink
You may not believe the Left but how can you deny the documents. And, if the documents are genuine and the government has lied, what would you say? Don't follow any one blindly.Learn to call a spade a spade.
By asking this I am in no way supporting or blaming CPI(M). Its the party's decision and they have done what they had told long before. Atleast I credit them for sticking to hwat they have said- very rare in Politics.
Well coming back, what will nuclear deal offer to India? Do u guys know the consequences of this deal?
I strongly oppose Nuclear deal for all hidden agenda and many unexplained apprehensions. usa must sign only on 123 agreemnet without counting hyde act as they have clearly told that hyde act is just for clearing the existing law obligations in usa. But always, usa has used hyde act term whenever quentioned or interviewed by Journalists
There are many flaws in this deal with prime concerns hovering over: * Why India cant reuse the spent fuel? * What will happen if India goes for Nuclear explosion even owing to logical reasons like china and /or pakistan conducting(will surely conduct high profile tests in near future)threatening tests - note here that these two nations will surely take advantage of IAEA norms that will be imposed on India * What will be the price of electricity, atleast? will common man be able to pay for it? Will it be cheaper than present vegetable prices for a week's time? * Which r all the nuclear reactors to be exposed to IAEA vigilance? who will safeguard non-disclosed, entirely menat for defence purpose, reactors? * Also there is a strong concensus that the fuel is to be used for usa supplied Nuclear reactors only. How many reactors a
RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by Rational Thoughts on Jul 08, 2008 03:22 PM Permalink
These are grounds for embracing the deal not re-buffing it. “Now if you claim to know well than Karan Thapar about external affairs well…then it’s a different story.You can find this article if u run a search in google. 3. What will be the price of electricity, atleast? will common man be able to pay for it? Will it be cheaper than present vegetable prices for a week's time? Dude…we are talking about 9% of the total production as nuclear share…How do you assume that this 9% will override the rest 91%.Now why should we go for such a costly thing is cos..nuclear energy is clean…its environment friendly.Have you ever thought about countries putting curbs on Indian industry just because they are polluting environment.If not that is a fact…in another 2 years that will be the biggest thing world nations are going to discuss…cos they don’t want their existence in jeopardy cos of other countries polluting the globe.CURBS are defenitly going to come as it happened in textile industry in Thiruppur citing child labour. 3. What will be the price of electricity, atleast? will common man be able to pay for it? Will it be cheaper than present vegetable prices for a week's time? Dude…we are talking about 9% of the total production as nuclear share…How do you assume that this 9% will override the rest 91%.Now why should we go for such a costly thing is cos..nuclear energy is clean…its environment friendly.Have you ever thought about countries putting curbs on Indian industry just because
RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by Rational Thoughts on Jul 08, 2008 03:21 PM Permalink
1. Why India cant reuse the spent fuel? >>Well..let us analyze current situation as an answer to this..Right now..almost all the nuclear reactors in India are running 50% less of their capacities ...WHY??cos no 1 is ready to give uranium to India..this deal makes sure that we get it..now Mr.Gowda..ur question is like after getting the uranium y cant v reuse it..my answer is..lets get it first man. One more thing is nuclear energy is a forbidden fruit to almost 90% of the world countries as is Permanent seat in UN Security Council..Y not after getting it start bragging about it??
2. What will happen if India goes for Nuclear explosion even owing to logical reasons like china and /or pakistan conducting(will surely conduct high profile tests in near future)threatening tests - note here that these two nations will surely take advantage of IAEA norms that will be imposed on India. >> An extract from Karan Thapar’s column in a newspaper..” None other than the American Ambassador has said India would retain the right to test. In fact, even the words “nuclear test” don’t feature in the 123 Agreement. The truth is that if India does test after signing the 123 it would face a more understanding response from Washington than otherwise. This is because the 123 provides for talks and hints at ameliorating circumstances that could condone a test before sanctions kick in. So, if the BJP is really concerned about future tests, the 123 makes them a shade easier
RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by veda vyas on Jul 08, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
Why India cant reuse the spent fuel? can you use spent coal? spent fuel is reprocessed for extraction of plutonium. Indian reactors use natural uranium which have about .7% of useful fuel isotope U-235 rest being U-238. once spent it cannot be reused. What will happen if India goes for Nuclear explosion even owing to logical reasons like china and /or pakistan conducting(will surely conduct high profile tests in near future)threatening tests - note here that these two nations will surely take advantage of IAEA norms that will be imposed on India? we loose nothing as we have ensured that along with reactors life time fuel is guarenteed and supplied in advance as per the agreement. What will be the price of electricity, atleast? will common man be able to pay for it? Will it be cheaper than present vegetable prices for a week's time? cost of electricity will go up any way if we dont invest in nuclear power due to increasing oil/gas prices and reducing coal reserves. costly electricity is better than no electricity.
Which r all the nuclear reactors to be exposed to IAEA vigilance? who will safeguard non-disclosed, entirely menat for defence purpose, reactors? India already has a safe guarding mechanism in place called Atomic energy regulatory board. We dont need IAEA for that. International community needs IAEA safeguarding. Non IAEA reactors will be unders Indian safeuarding.
Also there is a strong concensus that the fuel is to be used for usa supplied Nuclear reac
RE:RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by veda vyas on Jul 08, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
Also there is a strong concensus that the fuel is to be used for usa supplied Nuclear reactor.
there is no such criteria. fuel can be supplied by any country and for any IAEA safe guarded power reactor.
RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by Shah Mohammad shahid on Jul 08, 2008 02:56 PM Permalink
Nothing will happen if india will be test next test. the world will not dare to interefer in the india since india has huge soure of survial thing from agriculture to industry to corporate sector to leading brain in the world. world cannot afforad or alian not we indian.
RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by Rational Thoughts on Jul 08, 2008 03:23 PM Permalink
they are polluting environment.If not that is a fact…in another 2 years that will be the biggest thing world nations are going to discuss…cos they don’t want their existence in jeopardy cos of other countries polluting the globe.CURBS are defenitly going to come as it happened in textile industry in Thiruppur citing child labour. 4. Which r all the nuclear reactors to be exposed to IAEA vigilance? who will safeguard non-disclosed, entirely menat for defence purpose, reactors? >>What is their to hide man…we are talking about civilian energy and there is nothing to hide as long as it is not meant for defence purpose.Now ofcourse thers no wonder why world nations are concerned about security regulations in nuclear reactos and IAEA is a body to make sure of that.Defence reactos are a different story and does’t come under the IAEA agreement…have a better coverage on stuffs.
RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by SRINIVASA GOWDA on Jul 08, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
all here are concentrating on what CPI(M) has done. is it that important over the concerns of Nuclear deal? can anyone give me replies for the qpprehensions that I have posted?
RE:what nuclear deal has got to offer?
by B SRIKANTH on Jul 08, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
Forget Mr.Gowda, these USA supporting fools, stupids will never understand the actual hidden agenda of the deal, they dont have brain to understand the deal, their only comments are to bash the Left thats all. First these USA supporting fools should be thrown out of India for supporting them rather than the Lefts to China.
CPI(M)members, especially Mr karat does not have any solution for any problem. Generally CPI & CPI(M) talk, talk, continuously without full stop or even comma. It is good that they are rid of from the govt support. Let Manmohan be happy and India be happier.
RE:nuclear deal
by Pramod Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
But, Kannan, Manmohan can be happy only if Sonia succeeds in horse-trading. She and her goons are already on the job.
They are the cancer of Indian politics.look at the state of kerala everthing is glooming.Harthals own country ,goons(SFI,DYFI) playing each corner if that state
RE:Left taritors of India,Patriots for china
by Pramod Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
But, Ajman, the Left made Sardar Manmohan the PM, otherwise did he [the most childish and immature fellow in Indian politics] ever have a chance to be the PM? Before calling them names, Sardar must thank them for their support for four years.
RE:Left taritors of India,Patriots for china
by Raj on Jul 08, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
dear Pramod, Here I want to correct you. Sonia made Manmohan PM. Left had to accept it becasue they wanted to control the gov.
RE:Left taritors of India,Patriots for china
by Venkatram Shrinivas on Jul 08, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
'They are the cancer of Indian politics' YOU HAVE SAID IT!Truly a Baconic expression of the apparently incurable malady our country is beset with. Thank You & God Bless You'aiman'.
Although the Indian government wants to promote the proposed Indo-US nuclear deal in terms of power generation, the deal has very little to do with power generation. Nuclear power contributes about 2 percent of the current electricity generations in India. At present, India was producing 3,300 MW. In 2020, the production would be 7,000 MW. According to the Planning Commission and the Prime Minister, the capacity of nuclear power would be 20,000 MW in the year 2020. In order to get there India will buy second-hand reactors from the U.S. to produce 13,000 MW of nuclear power. India will have to spend about Rs. 2 lakh crore for reactors and another Rs. 8 lakh crore to set them up with fuel facilities to achieve that goal. The Indian budget is only Rs. 6.5 lakh crore per year. Thus, India will spend two times more than the country’s annual budget on setting up these vintage reactors only. Even if India were to achieve a 50% increase in nuclear power generation (which is unlikely) such a step would only increase India’s overall electricity output by one percent at most, and would only increase India’s overall energy output by a fraction of one percent. The reason, USA is pushing so hard that India should accept the deal, is, that, this deal is nothing but nuclear non-proliferation treaty in a different name. If MM Singh is a democrat, he should have organized a Referendum or at least a voting in the joint session of the Parliament.
RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by Sameer on Jul 08, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
reliance on nuclear power would bankrupt India.
Some Indians get orgas-ms hearing the word 'nuclear'. these morons have no idea what is in this deal and why US is so keen to push it on India's throat via Sonia/MMS.
RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by B SRIKANTH on Jul 08, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
well send Bency, these US supporters here (unfortunately most of them) does not understand (they fail and reluctant to understand) the actual motto behind this deal set by US. MMS has failed to explain to the nation about the actual net cost spent for this energy and what exactly benefit to the common man. These US supporters here (who think they are all genius!!!) are blindly suporting the deal without even knowing the concepts. GOD ONLY BLESS THEM!!!!. I think by supporting this deal Bush may give citizenship to them!!!!!! First these US SUPPORTERS (WHO ARE POSTING HERE) SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF INDIA and buried in USA. May their peace rest in soul (sorry USA)!!!!!
RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by RAVEENDRAN on Jul 08, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
Be practical.No body can make India a Slave to any country by a simple deal.If tomarrow people dont want this agreement they will torn it away simply.We have such a atrong past history of defending our motherland.No body can make us slaves.Because we are INDIANS.
RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by veda vyas on Jul 08, 2008 02:58 PM Permalink
"India will buy second-hand reactors from the U.S." This shows how ignorant you are. no where in the world can any one set-up a second hand reactor. once a nuclear reactor is commissioned, no major component can tranfered to any other reactor or place. if reactor is to be closed down, then decommisioning is done as components become radioactive. nuclear deal is not just for reactor technology, but nuclear fuel & investments in private sector nuclear reactors. teachnology imported for reactors will have to be approved according to latest and stringent nuclear regulations in India by atomic energy regulatory board. Buying a vintage reactor is just not possible today due to regulatory requirements.
RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by ajman on Jul 08, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
If you have that much knowledgewaht happend in kerala.how many generators are working, you are traitors of india.You favouring china and patriots for the chinese.You would have happy if India made a deal with china.You traitors From opinion poll most of the people in india favours the deal.People dont care whether India alligining with USA.People need to get electricity and power.
RE:RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by RAVEENDRAN on Jul 08, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
CHINA already signed this N deal with US. And Pakisthan also interested in it.
RE:RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by B SRIKANTH on Jul 08, 2008 02:56 PM Permalink
Mr. Ajman, then y u r still living in INdia, go to USA and be a servant to Mr.Bush
RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by Kris on Jul 08, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
It was India who approached the US (during the NDA regime) for such a deal so that India can come out of the 'Nucelar Apartheid' regime and not vice-versa. China already has a 123 agreement with the US. With the type of misinformation and 'damage-control' that you are dishing out, I think the left parties maybe somewhat successful in fooling people..I think you can join a certain 'Sameer' in this message board who has been found to come up with a infinite number of ingenious ways to argue against this deal.
Do you think the Centre or India's strategic core will go in for something harmful for the nation even at the lost of losing the Govt.? No one is that dumb.
RE:N deal is not for India's benefit...
by Pramod Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
Yes, Bency, for a change, the Left is absolutely right. And, your analysis is mind boggling. Thanks.
RE:Left withdraw support of UPA
by Pramod Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 03:15 PM Permalink
But, Ashutosh, for over four years they were the biggest 'friends'. All of a sudden, they have become enemies, how come? Don't you think they rightly feel 'used and abused'.
After dilly-dallying for two months on the pull-out issue and holding the Central Government to ransom over the N-deal for more than 10 months, the left parties have finally timed their withdrawal brilliantly - there could not have been a more ideal moment for them.
What better way to do it than when the Indian Prime Minister is not in India and is away on a foreign trip and is meeting the world's most powerful leaders on the sidelines of the G-8. It is clearly intended to cause maximum embarrassment & humiliation for the Indian PM. They have also managed to show some mundane statement from the PM as the immediate reason for the withdrawal. (Everyone knows that IAEA is the next step in the N-Deal). They should get two pats on their back from their masters in China for doing this !!
Their move will also get great coverage in the world media, no doubt. Let them savour every moment of it - because I doubt if they will ever get a second chance after the next elections, whenever that is.
RE:Brilliant timing by the anti-nationals
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 08, 2008 02:48 PM Permalink
Left is bunch of traitors, no doubt. But those who support this deal are doing great harm to national interest. India and no country should go for nuclear energy. US has not installed single nuclear plant in last 15 years. Why?
RE:Brilliant timing by the anti-nationals
by Kris on Jul 08, 2008 03:13 PM Permalink
Sorry, but your statment is incorrect. The US is still planning more nuclear reactors at home. Even last year (2007), applications have been filed for building new nuclear reactors there (Eg. South Texas Project).
Intially, the US which is the largest producer of commercial nuclear power in the world had OVERESTIMATED its own requirements. In 1960, they estimated 1000 reactors by year 2000 but there are only 104 functional reactors now. A lot of orders had to be cancelled and some had to be stopped after the installation. Hope you get it now..
RE:Brilliant timing by the anti-nationals
by bency gopalakrishnan on Jul 08, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
Man Mohan is responsible for all the provocation to left. For the last 10 months,He & congress always said that they will take decision to approach the International Atomic Energy Agency over the nuclear deal, after conscience in UPA-left joint meeting only. And on his way to Japan ManMohanSingh announced that he will very soon approach IAEA & N deal will be signed certainly. It is like his final decision.
He make such a insulting remark in the plane...
Left got self respect.They had no committment to support a liar Prime Minister at any cost.
It is and it was all times BETTER DEAD THAN RED.... even better THE RED BE DEAD....let the next election be a strong rebuff to the communists and they should be relegated to the HISTORY'S MANHOLE
What the leftist parties can do very well is to distribute poverty. I will be glad if Congress is able to throw away this disease and move on with issues of development. Perhaps this nuclear deal will be the best thing that the Congress party would have given to India in their whole tenure of governance. Let us not snatch this one moment of glory from them.
