Samajwadi Party has done well to extend support to the congress on the issue of India-US nuclear deal as it is in the ingterest of the nation. However, on the issue of Amar's comments about defending India against communalism, the public perception is that the present deal is oppurtunistic and for saving their own existence in UP where SP faces bleak prospects in the coming LS elections. No political party is secular and the so called secular parties including SP shamelessly play muslim card and incite them to vote for them. If appealing to Hindus to vote for the party is communalism, what is it in which congress, left, BSP,SP,Muslim League indulge all the time?
Politicians plesase what is good for the nation as in this case SP has done but do not brag that this is to sace the country from communalism.
RE:SP,s support to congress
by ahamed sharif on Jul 06, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
If the BJP and its allies stop threating the muslims, muslims will vote according to the merit of candidate. The so called secular parties are using the threat from BJP to gather votes from muslims. So it is the BJP who has to change its policies.
Oxford Dictionary has changed the meaning word 'Secular'.Earlier secular meant 'tolerant towards all religions'.Now 'secular' means 'Muslim appeasement'.This defination is valid for india only.
RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by PKN on Jul 06, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Ahamed Bhai , History does not support your asumption . You want to know why read this :
1 : "The Muslims are howling against the Hindu Maha Sabha and its slogan of Hindudom and Hindu Raj. But who is responsible for this ? Hindu Maha Sabha and Hindu Raj are the inescapable nemesis which the Musalmans have brought upon themselves by having a Muslim League. It is action and counter-action. One gives rise to the other " 2. "If India and Pakistan had remained united in one State Hindus though independent would have been at the mercy of the Muslims. A merely independent India would not have been a free India from the point of view of the Hindus. It would have been a Government of one country by two nations and of these two the Muslims without question would have been the ruling race notwithstanding Hindu Mahasabha and Jana Sangh"
The person who wrote this was not what you would call a Khaki Chaddiwalla but DR B Ambedkar , the man that Jinnah once called " greatest fighter of Hindu Communalism" As far relaionship between the Hindus and Muslims are concerned please remember both sides must show a willingness to work together. If Hindu communalist blames Muslims and the Muslim communlaist blames Hindu we can argue will innocent lives would have been lost .
RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 01:49 PM Permalink
do you remember what Israel did under such circumstances......they send send their commondos to Lisben in 1981 to free the hostages and Uganda during Idi Ameen's period to free the hostages.....National Interest is Most Important...and BJP freed terrorists like Zargar and Maulana Masood Azar...freed terrorists for Mufti's younger daughter (younger than Mehbooba Mufti)BJP supported this act when they were supporting V.P. Singh's government from outside..... wow what a nationalist party.....great and they are indirectly supporting Student Islamic Movement of India and Maoists movements by their slogans, by thier activities.... what a nationalist party.....just hiding their incapabilities for Civilian Nuclear Treaty with USA during their government's period by not supporting congress. Congress broght far better deal than what BJP was trying to get......what a nationalist party.....congress lost two of their leaders and many more in terrorists attack and BJP freed the terrorists (try to remember the example of Israel).... what a nationalist party....
RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by PKN on Jul 06, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
The decision to free the Terrorists was taken at an all party meeting which was also attended by Dr Manmohan Singh who as now, was then also, a 'sidekick' of the Madam who resides at 10 Janpath . Does that mean he was party the decision. Does that mean she was responsible for freeing Maulana Masood Azar. If not why do you blame the BJP for Mufti Mohd's daughter’s release! Nobody knows what the BJP negotiated and that includes the S. Lande! How can you be so sure that it was worse than the one that MMS is trying to sign? You want to know why India is not able to do what Israel did. Because there would be secular parties who would have claimed that killing terrorists was communal. Remember that Modi did to Sorabuddin what Israel does in the Gaza Strip- kill the enemy before he acts. Why did the Madam instead of calling him a brave hero call him "maut ke saudagar" You seem confused about who is supporting SIMI directly ( BJP may be directly ) . It is a man called Mulayam Singh Yadav who gave a confirmation to the S C that SIMI was secular NGO working for the upliftment of the masses . Why should the Yadav from UP concern you ... because he is being welcomed with great fanfare by 10 Janpath as a newest ally of the Congress party.
RE:RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by PKN on Jul 06, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
The decision to free the Terrorists was taken at an all party meeting which was also attended by Dr Manmohan Singh who as now, was then also, a 'sidekick' of the Madam who resides at 10 Janpath . Does that mean he was party the decision. Does that mean she was responsible for freeing Maulana Masood Azar. If not why do you blame the BJP for Mufti Mohd's daughter’s release! Nobody knows what the BJP negotiated and that includes the S. Lande! How can you be so sure that it was worse than the one that MMS is trying to sign? You want to know why India is not able to do what Israel did. Because there would be secular parties who would have claimed that killing terrorists was communal. Remember that Modi did to Sorabuddin what Israel does in the Gaza Strip- kill the enemy before he acts. Why did the Madam instead of calling him a brave hero call him "maut ke saudagar" You seem confused about who is supporting SIMI directly ( BJP may be directly ) . It is a man called Mulayam Singh Yadav who gave a confirmation to the S C that SIMI was secular NGO working for the upliftment of the masses . Why should the Yadav from UP concern you ... because he is being welcomed with great fanfare by 10 Janpath as a newest ally of the Congress party.
RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
Visit the tribal areas of Vidarbha, Chattisgarh, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Telangana, Jharkhand ...why maoists movement soreading its wings....After the Gujarat riots muslims formed Gujarat Revenge Group and SIMI becomes more active. Why the fundamantalists from both the religions and ideological party like Communists are benefiited......so called capaitalism (money lending, bidi business)still exists (majority of them supports BJP)and Maoism surviving... who is responsible....
RE:RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by PKN on Jul 06, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
Maoism and Naxalitism did not start in Chattisgarh or Vidharba it started in interior AP after it wiped out of Kerala in 77 . All those the Naxalites targeted were Landlords , Land mafia, Government contractors and moneylenders who were all CONGRESS SUPPORTERS . Congress MLAs , Congress DCC Presidents etc were the first victims of Maoists As far as Gujarat is concerned you have presented a Jihadi veiwpoint to the issue. Modi did what your great hero Isreal would have done or are doing to the HAMAS. Make up your mind do you support Israel or do your want to justify SIMI . Only somebody stupid will try to do both !
RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by Venkatesh on Jul 06, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
And what happens to minority who are killed in Kasmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh, do they form revenge groups and if ever they form them who supports them. And if captilasim is to ended why doesnt Congress seeks reservation on basis of economic background instead of casteism, I m quite sure many wud be supporting that.
RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
do you remember the theatre incident in Moscow (hostages were held by Chechan rebels), Beslan school hostage drama, 1979 olympic games (Israel) and there are many examples like this. Government did not bent their knees before the terrorists. don't be so emotional.... life of entire population is more important than the life of 300. be patriotic.don't be darpok. Ranchoddas....hahahahaha
RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by vanitha on Jul 06, 2008 01:36 PM Permalink
Christian appeasement too.
On Monday, June 30, 2008, the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Y S Rajasekhara Reddy (Congress party) announced the following measures for Christians:
Formation of Christian Minority Commission Subsidized travel to Holy Land (Jerusalem or Vatican) for 1000 Christians (similar to Haj subsidy of Muslims) Allocation of free land and homes to Christian pastors Reservation for Christians (Reservation for Muslims already approved by Supreme Court)
RE:RE:Oxford had to change the meaning of 'Secular'
by ahamed sharif on Jul 06, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
Reported by our correspondent from Rumor Spreading Society. Ha Ha
During the last four years, the Congress ruined the economy of the country. There has been no real development. The Congress has been indulging only in populist measures. Farmers’ loan waiver, Rural Employment Scheme, this yojana and that yojana, all of them meant to distribute taxpayers’ money to Congress workers and its voters.
RE:Congress ruined economy
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 01:31 PM Permalink
during Vajpayees regime growth rates was around 6% and in the congress regime it is around 8.25%.
RE:Congress ruined economy
by Venkatesh on Jul 06, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
And During Vaypayees regime, money supply was quited muted, hence the growth and inflation too. While under congress money supply is more hence the growth and Inflation at 12%. And what happens we have Ambanis who r getting more and more money and people below poverty line are increasing. Inflation (creation of growth) transfers money from lower hands to upper hands.
RE:Congress ruined economy
by PKN on Jul 06, 2008 01:47 PM Permalink
What about inflation rates during that period? Growth - inflation = Actaul quality of Life in India . Even Manish Tiwary the Congress Spokesperson with a loud mouth and small brain would admit this .
RE:RE:Congress ruined economy
by Venkatesh on Jul 06, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
Answer lies in ur own quaetion, inflation is global byproduct and growth too was global byproduct. And anyways growth has not reduced people below poverty lines, but increased them.
RE:Congress ruined economy
by Raju on Jul 06, 2008 01:46 PM Permalink
BJP,RSS and other similar fanatic Hindu fundamentalist BIMARU beggar parties are even worse than Congress.
RE:Congress ruined economy
by subbu on Jul 06, 2008 02:08 PM Permalink
If BJP is fundamentalist what about Bush who bombed Iraq because of the holy(!!!!) sprit!How about all muslim majority countries who have openly declared they are muslim countries and sharia will apply to all!!!How about DMK,Telgudesam who are language fanatics!How about lallu,mulayam,mayvati etc who solely fight based on caste and muslim appeasement!How about commies in bengal who allowed and are allowing muslim terrorists in to India just because they are bengalis and under the condition they will cast their bogus vote to commies!How about congres lady sonia who has carefully handpicked christians all around her!85% Hindus but the prime minister is not a Hindu!The speaker is a communist and both deputy speakers are muslims!Hindus are treated as second class citizens and all their tax goes in chrisitan and muslim appeasement!Now BJP has decided to unite Hindus their survival is in question and these morons are playing secularism card!What a shame.If christian can work under church and muslims under mullahs why not Hindus under RSS or VHP?
RE:Congress ruined economy
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 01:29 PM Permalink
Then go to the Bajrang Dal, VHP, RSS they will provide you food in the future.... ahahahaha
The NRCs(Non Resident China)lead by CPI & CPIM had destroyed Indian Industies by using strong weapon (BANDHS) now they are allowing their leader (China President) to speak N.E.States of India belongs to China itself.
The main intention behind Nuclear Deal is that they doesnot want to see India in a Commandable Position.
RE:DOES LEFT SUPPORT INDIAN PROGRESS.
by SUBBA on Jul 06, 2008 01:23 PM Permalink
Is leftists noise against Nuclear deal the last effort to spoil India?
Why communists are against Indo-US nuk deal. They are saying “if the same deal is with China , then it is OK”. With an enemy country? What favor China did for us? If the deal is with China , then don’t they have any objections? China is a country which cheated India with war by pretending friendship with India. Is there any cunning country than China?
Is leftists noise against Nuclear deal the last effort to spoil India?
The Communist Party which was started in India by British agents did following atrocities
1.They did not support Quit India movement 2.The supported division of India 3.They tried to attack Mahatma Gandhi 4.They supported China during Indo-China war 5.They framed the rule that India has more than 20races and they should be given freedom to disintegrate 6.They passed resolution in kerala assembly to release Abdul Madani who engineered blasting at Coimbattore , which lead to death of more than 50people for Muslim votes
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7.They created a separate district in Kerala for Muslims 8.They supported China in the matter of Tibet 9.The origin of Naxalism 10.They are silent when China army infiltrated into India (Arunachal Pradesh) 11.Still they are slaves of China 12.They accepted Tibet is a part of China , though china did not accept Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh as part of India 13.They speak about democracy in Nepal but why don't they speak about democracy in China
Majority of Muslim support in UP has shifted to BSP. By this act, the SP will facilitate the entire shift of Muslim vote to Mayawati. SP will not win even one seat in the next elections.
Pls. go through the economic data of the country for last 5 years. You will come to know Economic growth accelerated during this five years because of economic liberalization initiated by Manmohan Singh and P. V. narsimharao. You want to see BJP in power, the party who freed terrorists like Maulana Masood Azhar and Zargar. The Party who openly supported freeing of terrorists for Mufti's daughter when they were supporting V.P.Singh's government from outside. So who is antinationalist. What happened in Gujarat, what is happening in Indore, Jammu etc. BJP is indirectly supporting Maoists movement and Student Islamic Movement of India by their act.
RE:BJP & Economic Progress
by vanitha on Jul 06, 2008 01:15 PM Permalink
the party who freed terrorists?????
Are you out of your mind? Don't you know under what circumstances the terrorists had to be freed (to rescue hundreds of passengers of Indian Airlines)???
Congress is feeding Afzal Guru with taxpayers' money. What about that?
RE:BJP & Economic Progress
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
do you remember what Israel did under such circumstances......they send send their commondos to Lisben in 1981 to free the hostages and Uganda during Idi Ameen's period to free the hostages.....National Interest is Most Important...and BJP freed terrorists like Zargar and Maulana Masood Azar...freed terrorists for Mufti's younger daughter (younger than Mehbooba Mufti)BJP supported this act when they were supporting V.P. Singh's government from outside..... wow what a nationalist party.....great and they are indirectly supporting Student Islamic Movement of India and Maoists movements by their slogans, by thier activities.... what a nationalist party.....just hiding their incapabilities for Civilian Nuclear Treaty with USA during their government's period by not supporting congress. Congress broght far better deal than what BJP was trying to get......what a nationalist party.....congress lost two of their leaders and many more in terrorists attack and BJP freed the terrorists (try to remember the example of Israel).... what a nationalist party....
RE:BJP & Economic Progress
by No BigBoss on Jul 06, 2008 01:15 PM Permalink
Did you know Lande that when BJP freed these terrorist, there were 300 people in the flight which they highjacked. It was lives of 300 people more important.
If you care for so much for terrorist, ask your congress govt, why did they release 2 terrorists just sake of 1 person (that too a minister of congress' daughter - Mufti Sayyed of J&K).
RE:BJP & Economic Progress
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 01:18 PM Permalink
what about the families of soldiers who lost their life for the nation in Kargil war..... National Interest is above all the personal things.... I am armayman's son, I know the psycology.....
RE:RE:RE:BJP & Economic Progress
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 01:24 PM Permalink
I am not saying to forget the kargiil war... but try to understanbd the psychology and midset of soldiers who protects this country... these politcians frees such hardcore terrorists....no body cares about the families of sodiers after their demise.... and you are caring for the families who were onboard in Kandhahar.
RE:RE:BJP & Economic Progress
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 01:20 PM Permalink
Mufti was in not in congress during that period. BJP was supporting JD's government during that period. ....please refresh your knowledge....Mandal-Kamandal period....
RE:BJP & Economic Progress
by shailendra lande on Jul 06, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
do you remember the theatre incident in Moscow (hostages were held by Chechan rebels), Beslan school hostage drama, 1979 olympic games (Israel) and there are many examples like this. Government did not bent their knees before the terrorists. don't be so emotional.... life of entire population is more important than the life of 300. be patriotic.don't be darpok. Ranchoddas....hahahahaha
Any amount of nuclear energy or any other form of energy will not be sufficient for India’s GROWING POPULATION.
The need of the hour is to REDUCE POPULATION. This will automatically eliminate many problems of India such as energy crisis, food shortage, inflation, prices, crime rate, availability of seats in schools and colleges, reservation problem and global warming.
It is VERY EASY to REDUCE POPULATION. Strictly enforce ONE-CHILD-ONLY policy.
India’s population is growing because, on the average, Indian families are producing more than two children per family. When the two parents die, two parents will be replaced by more than two children.
If every family produces two children only, the population will remain constant, because, when the two parents die, two parents will be replaced by two children.
If every family produces one child only, the population will become 50% in 30 to 40 years, because, when the two parents die, two parents will be replaced by only one child.
If a family does not produce any children at all, that is even better.
So, it is VERY EASY to REDUCE POPULATION and solve most of India’s problems permanently.
RE:REDUCE POPULATION
by kickgod on Jul 06, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
100 PER CENT CORRECT. MOST OF THE HINDUS REALISED THEIR PREVIOUS HEREDITARY MISTAKE. NOW IN URBAN AREA MOSTLY 1 CHILD FOR ONE FAMILY.
Chirstians also co-operating for that.
But the dirty, scum, lust mullas still dont have pinch of knowledge or awareness about population growth. But they need resevation, subsidy, etc., our stupid sachar commity also recommends that. What s foolishness.
These mullas main aim is to make india as stinking islamic country like porkistan thats why they produce more childrens to fill india with mullas.
If we hindus dosn't do anything now to control these mullas then history will not forgive us & our future hereditary wil spit on us.
RE:REDUCE POPULATION
by shiva on Jul 06, 2008 01:24 PM Permalink
Do the politicains of India have guts to implement..specifically Congress and its allies..to impose rules on Muslims. Else your target population will lead to Muslim country in numbers in addition to current pro muslim political activties.
Secondly population should be converted to strength. That needs education and thus come progress. But again Cong and its allies want people to be illetrate and vote to Gandhi families for ages to come and other allies and parties lick their feet.
THE ONLY HOPE FOR THIS COUNTRY IS BRING BACK BJP not bcoz of religion as people think but bcoz of progress and vision oriented party.
