Some of the guys writing here due to hatred.But some are really misunderstood of Islam as a religion. Paradise is not for criminals or for blowing himself.
One's deed and intention and his acts throughout the life make get that. Similar belief is there in all religion.Like rebirth in Hindus.
Everyone can ridicule the rebirth. By looking at a dog someone can tell "it is your criminal grandfather".
I wish you guys read from authentic sources and criticise.
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by rahul ramesh neginhal on Jul 04, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
The attitude of Islam toward using violence against non-Muslims is clear. The Quran says, "Slay the idolaters(Non-Muslims) wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" (Surah 9:5).
This is the attitude of Islam, can any Muslim in this world reject this? The answer is big no, caz its written in Quran. Now is it wrong to be wary of Muslims?
Rebirth is not found just in Hinduism, but its also found in Jainism & Buddhism. Infact its the way of life for Buddhists.
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by Vasanth Srinivas on Jul 04, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
Basheer - First of all, thanks for your intention. But before wasting your time here, better try to educate your guys. There is nothing to blame Hindus in this forum. For one mistake - Babri Masjid demolition, Hindus are targeted by Muslims all over the world. If Hindus start retaliating for all muslims acts, there wont be any muslim left in this world. Even though the edge between Muslims and Hindus are growing nowadays, its solely because of muslims. You guys need to change before advising others.
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by Basheer on Jul 04, 2008 06:24 PM Permalink
So you think all good or bad deeds from Hindus can be justified.Ok. Then retaliation part, Muslims are not living with the mercy of anyone.I do not say it is the Muslim named people's strength. Muslims are not getting any support if you look worldwide. Still this is the religion where more people are converting even no missionaries working for it. It is the strength of the ideology from God.
I wish you read and undersatnd rather than emotional
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by Vasanth Srinivas on Jul 04, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
Why to point your fingers towards majority instead of minority. You people belong to the "most peaceful religion" and the "religion of peace". Then why to take up arms? Regarding the increase in number - its not becoz of conversion, its because of your inability to control population. Get your facts right before you comment on a forum
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by Basheer on Jul 04, 2008 07:09 PM Permalink
Vasnth,
"Why to point your fingers towards majority instead of minority. You people belong to the "most peaceful religion" and the "religion of peace". Then why to take up arms? Regarding the increase in number - its not becoz of conversion, its because of your inability to control population. Get your facts right before you comment on a forum"
Please read my comments carefully,
1.I did not say population, but the number of people converted to a religion. 2.Peace does not mean inability. If someone attacks your mother, you just say "peace, peace".
You are ridiculing Islam as violent. Always there are fight between Good Vs Bad. What was Krishna doing in Kurukshetra by Advising Arjun? Whether it is violence or peace? Why Krishna did so?
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by JGN on Jul 04, 2008 06:22 PM Permalink
Basheer, I have read 2 versions (English translations) of The Quran and know for sure what its contents are. While good muslims like you quote the good verses, the mullahs quote the hate-filled verses and brainwash the impressionable youth to "fight in the cause of Allah".
The reforms in Islamic society has to come from within. It is the responsibility of liberal muslims like you to make your co-religionists about the futility of fighting in the name of religion.
Beleive in the basic goodness of all humanbeings and in the pinciples of neo-humanism. I am hailing from a place where we have abot 20% muslim population. We all live peacefully. It is only a few religious fanatics who are hell bent on creating problems.
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by Basheer on Jul 04, 2008 06:31 PM Permalink
JGN, Thanks for your comments.You are coming from a place with 20 percent population and you say live peacefully.This itself proves that there are no such interpretation like killing by seeing etc...
I also agree some use the interpretation other way. Some vested interest do taht. Such elements are there in all religion and should not penalise the entire religion.If hatred is the ideology of a religion, we can think, it is not a religion from God.
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by JGN on Jul 04, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
Mr.Basheer, I am talking about a place where your religion was propagated by seers like Malik Deenar and not where conversion took place at the point of sword. There is a vast difference between the muslims of Kerala and other parts of India (though I have recently noticed that some of them are also trying to be more loyal than the king by forcing the women to wear burqua, etc). About 30 years back, we could not have found even one muslim women in any villages or small towns of Kerala wearing burqua and even in cities like Calicut, there were hardly a few (mostly belonging to the priestly class called Thangals).
We all have to strive to make our country truely tolerant. Even if there is any god, he does not want punny guys like you and me to fight for him. He is quite capable of defending him.
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by Basheer on Jul 04, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
JGN,
One basic thing is no one can propagate a religion by sword. Religion is in mind primarily and rest is its expressions. If some one come with a sword, will you believe?
Thanks for all your good intentions and may good prosper peace on you
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by das debraj on Jul 04, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
Basheer bhai salam can I ask you one thing could you please refer me anyone who have been to paradise ?? So that we get a clear picture of paradise...
I dont believe in rebirth because I think logically.We reap what we sow
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by Nelliyel Shahabudeen on Jul 04, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink
Dear rahul bhai, You have quoted surah 9:5 from the Holy Quran. What made you to omit the verses surah 5:1 and surah 5:6. These verses were revealed to Prophet Mohammed PBUH when the treaty was violated by idolaters. Surah 5:6 says," And if any one of them seeks you protection, then grant him protection and deliver him to his place of safety. Pls don't misquote the Holy Quran.
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by Nelliyel Shahabudeen on Jul 04, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
Dear rahul bhai, You have quoted surah 9:5 from the Holy Quran. What made you to omit the verses surah 9:1 and surah 9:6. These verses were revealed to Prophet Mohammed PBUH when the treaty was violated by idolaters. Surah 9:6 says, " And if any one of them seeks you protection, then grant him protection and deliver him to his place of safety. Pls don't misquote the Holy Quran.
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by JGN on Jul 04, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>These verses were revealed to Prophet Mohammed.............there is nothing called revealations. There was no wireless communication system in West Asia in the 7th century. It was the concoction of Muhammed to motivate his followers (with all those rewards in the Paradise or cruel punishment in hell, etc).
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by Nelliyel Shahabudeen on Jul 04, 2008 08:22 PM Permalink
Dear Rahul Bhai, Your quote from Quran (surah 9:5) is out of context. You have conveniently left the details which led to that verse. Its in surah al-Tawbah (meaning repentance). Pls go through the verses from 1 to 6. It was revealed as a declaration of dissassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, after the treaty was violated by the polytheists. Verse 6 says, "And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection and then deliver him to his place of safety". Pls don't misquote the Holy Quran.
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by JGN on Jul 04, 2008 05:38 PM Permalink
Pl search for The Skpetics Annotated Bible to get category-wise verses like Absurdities, Contradictions, Hatred, Good-stuff, etc from The Bible, The Quran and The Book of Mormon. These are unadulterated verses without any comment. Pl read that and understand for yourself. Btw a major portion of The Quran is devoted for describing what "the most merciful creator" would do to the non-beleivers in the life-hereafter.
Some absurd belief of the hindus do not make the Quran "gospel truth".
The Paradise sstocked with abundant supply of wine, women, fruits, water, etc existed only in the fertile imagination of sur-realistic visionaries. The poor fellow could think of things available on planet earth only even in the "Paradise"!!!
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
Some things are explained about paradise in similytude as cab possibly be understood by human mind. For others, Allah said, that there are such things for you in paradise that no one has ever seen, ever heard or even a thought fell over any human being.
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by Basheer on Jul 04, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
A common man's belief about Paradise is good gardens, ladies etc. Even today, The tourist centres are known as tourist paradise.What else you get there? Thailand is the well known such paradise. What u get there? These all any human beings wish and weaknesses. This is the reason Quran promised these.
This is the reward for controlling all these "weaknesses" in this world as per God's instructions. If you visit a prostitute in this world, that is a biggest sin.You just picturise criminals get these. Brother, there is nothing like that.
Just a name Ahmed or Muhammad doesnt' deserve get paradise. The difficult fight a human being do is against his evil thoughts. He has to control his evil thoughts to attain the paradise. These are some of the things. I thank for at least you openly expressed your views.
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by das debraj on Jul 04, 2008 07:31 PM Permalink
Basheer can I ask you one thing could you refer me anyone who have been to paradise ?? So that we get a clear picture of paradise...
I dont believe in rebirth because I think logically.We reap what we sow
The Kafirs (especially hindus in India) are indeed a jealous lot. They do not like the jihadis blowing themselves up and getting rewards in the life here-after. They also would not hesitate to blow themselves up once they realize what all have been kept ready in the Islamic Paradise by the "most merciful creator" If anybody has any doubt, pl search for X-Rated Paradise of Islam and understand for yourself.
No other relgion has that great method which can convert a small time petty criminal, robber, murderer, rapist into a dweller of heaven. Just say 1 line, I believe in so and so, and instantly you will get admission into heaven. Now more and more petty crooks will take part in these blasts with the mistaken belief that they will go straight to heaven. What a sick philosophy. A man's hard work and good deeds throughout his life do not matter, any antisocial element can go to heaven if he just repeats that magic line.
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
I am sure you also know in your heart that this is not what islam says. This actually what anti-islamic people say about Islam and I advise you to verify yourself to satisfy your mind.
Don't know if he was behind Ajmer blast or not but certainly, if he has dozens of criminal cases against him, he appears to be someone who should not walk free on the streets.
RE:Real culprit ?
by Sachin Gupta on Jul 04, 2008 05:59 PM Permalink
Hihihi.........I am laughing at your intellectual level. Remember Lal masjid, who were there, what they were doing there, why there were so blast?
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
You are also right but What Adnan said is also true. every time a blast happens even inside Jama masjid, muslims are blamed. It has been happening for a long time, it is only recently that the activists of Bajrang dal and like, were caught taking advantage of the public opinion and perpetrating such crimes.
What's the use of arresting him??? Our PM will lose sleep, All secular parties,congress and Commies will shed tears for this man. Its a blot on our secular india to arrest him.
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
talk something sensible, man. PM doesn't lose sleep over the arrest of criminals. Yes it should be a proud moment for every indian to have such words coming from the PM for an annocent indian's arrest in a foreign country.
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by Bharat Prashar on Jul 04, 2008 06:46 PM Permalink
That's fair enough. But you are not really suggesting that in the past four years only ONE innocent Indian has been arrested and put in to prison in foreign countries. No the PM was being very community/publicity selective in his concerns. Incidentally how had the PM (Indian one that is) at that stage divined, in absence to any evidence, that the Indian in question was indeed innocent.
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 06:58 PM Permalink
The PM's statement didn't come quickly and it came only after it was well publicised in the media and I am sure throu PMO sources that he was infact innocent. I hope futures PM's also learn to value an indian life irrespective of caste, creed or colour.
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by Bharat Prashar on Jul 04, 2008 07:17 PM Permalink
It is good that you think that PMs should be impartial in this matters but what about the current incumbent who certainly was not? As for as your suggestion that PM knew the man to be innocent is concerned the fact is that once the man had been found to be and pronounced innocent he was immediately released. Any claims to the contrary before the pronouncement were pure hearsay and the PM or PMO was/is not supposed to give any credit to these. So by your logic if large sections of the media NOW start to assert that Saeed Mota is really innocent then we should (at least you would) start to treat him as innocent!!!!
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by Bharat Prashar on Jul 04, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
This is about reply below. The point is there was always (and it will also be the case with any blind assertion) a 50:50 probability of the PMs concerns turning out to be right or wrong. So I can not understand how questioning the logic of the PM making unconfirmed statements is indicative of stubborn and biased minds? A lot of fake astrologers make many predictions and due to the laws of probabilities some of them do indeed come true bur that in itself does not eliminate the problem of these imposters.It is always good to have an open mind rather than a closed one.
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
I don't know what sources the PM used for his comment but certainly he was proven 100% right. Th eirony though is that the bisaed minds still raise this question. It only shows your biased mentality otherwise after the guy proven innocent, the question of partiality dies its natural death. but who convince the stubborn and biased minds.
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by Raj on Jul 04, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
Agreed what u are saying.... What about afzal?? he is also innocent? why hasn't he been hanged till now???
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
btw, the blot on india's face is to have a killer of over 200 innocent human lives sitting as CM and still boasting of it.
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by Raj on Jul 04, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
More than 50 burned in godra train by muslims fanatics.. not a single secular leader opened his mouth.. Then hindus retaliated suddenly our secular leaders woke from there sleep. Killing of Hindus in India - No one cares And take the recent example of Amarnath shrine where J&K govt denied some acres of land to hindus. Would any govt have done that with Muslims???
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 05:21 PM Permalink
After all this power in his hands Modi couldn't catch the real culprits of Godhra train carnage. He instead chose to kill innocents. I don't know if his religion teaches him such methods for justice ?
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by JGN on Jul 04, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
mR.Islah Khan, the aftermath of Godhra was the only incident in Independent India where the majority used more than enough force (I am not justifying that). That is an eye opener for all. You cannot expect one section of the society to tolerate the belligerance of another section silently for a long time. The majority in India have reached the threshold limit of their tolerance. It would be better if all citizens of our country realize this truth.
Just read today's Mumbai edition of Indian Express and see how many News Items are there in the same abut various schemes for a particular section of the society.
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by Guest on Jul 04, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
i can just tell one thing that whatever happened in gujarat was bad, islam or hindunism doesnt teach voilence, it is the so called mullahs and people like advani and modi who are doing such things, so please live and let other live peacefully
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
The fundamental error in your view is that yoy are generalising the entire community. bad elemets are there in every community. The mob mentality don't help any cause. because of one bad fish Modi we can't say the entire hindu community os like him and they pay for his crimes. No, for Modi's crimes, I hope and wish and pray that only, he himself pays for them.
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by JGN on Jul 04, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
Yes, Mr. Islah Khan, all muslims are innocent. It is the hidden agenda of "Sangh Parivar" and "Zionist conspiracy" to malign the muslims. Even the Lal Masjid episode in Pak, Assassination of Ms. Benazir Bhutto, Bali bombing, etc were the handiwork of the "Sanghies"!!!!!!!!!!
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by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
Sangh do not yet have enough inroadds to cause such carnages in these countries, but it looks to me that Sangh has done many such crimes in India. In TN it's activists blown their own office. In Maharashtra - malegaon bomb blast over the crowd coming from Friday prayer. Blast in Jama masjid. These all are suspected upon RSS handiwork. Even Bal Thakrey expressed happiness over hindu bomb blasts recently.
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by Vivek Harry on Jul 04, 2008 05:14 PM Permalink
don't worry over the blot on India's face, see if you can remove the blot on your face by not calling that psycopath pbuh
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by AMIT on Jul 04, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
Mr. Islah Khan dont try to divert Mr. Raj 's question, first answer that and then ask something.
MODI has paid your community with the same coin which you have been giving to other community.
See history, you will know that their are more muders and more blood on the hands of your community people. ISLAM means, killing non belivers,raping looting, womenising,backstabbing,lying,and all sort of evil practices follwoing which you people will go to heaven, what you do their is of no good but to sleep with 72 virgins and flirt,womenise. there also you are sex maniacs only.
RE:Whats the use
by Islah Khan on Jul 04, 2008 05:19 PM Permalink
I can only feel sad about your corrupt mind and ideology. You don't even bother to verify what you have been spoonfed by some anti-islamic minds. I can't go to catholic school to learn Vedas.
