Hope all parties come up together for the national interest keeping all the politics aside taking into count the fuel prices and inflation. Kudos if we manage to sign the deal.
Karat and yechuri went for a medical check up. after examining them, the doc said. "intersting! each one of you have a right side and a left side!". Puzzled K and Y said in one voice and tone, "But that is natural isn;t it?" "yes it is" said the doctor. But there is nothing right on your left side and nothing is left on your right"
Shivsenas support is not to help any national cause or anything, it would be some personal benefits which this party seeks from the government, thakrey has a rivalry with rane so he would want sonia to clip his wings, congress will show as if they are not going to ask for senas help but if they want to extend their support "unconditionally" they would appreciate it. So while all of us emotionally follow and discuss these actions the real game is the one played behind the stage.
Nuclear deal is good for two counts - 1 - India is in a desperate need of power, if it is to maintain a 8%GDP till 2030 and ahead, so any kind of power is welcome. 2 - It is green, we can be able to reduce the co2 gasses emmissions.
WHY IT IS WNWANTED 1. iNDIA HAS above 100,000mw of untapped wind power, if we develop this we dont need nuclear energy, as wind energy is cheaper and also green. It can be installed in a very short span of time unlike the nuclear reactors. 2 - Nuclear energy is only going to account for arount 8% of India's total require ment. What about the rest, - Some european countries have 75% coming from nuclear energy, Japan and Korea have 50% and the US is having 16%. IF nuclear energy is that good, Why has the US not installed a single reactor after the 70's. 3- The cost of nuclear fuel is very high at the present rates which only the US will supply, What if tomorrow it stops its supply. Our scientists were developing thorium as a substitue which we have in plenty, why was the research stopped by the successive govts, Because the US was supplying with the political fuel to every party that had come to power at the centre; 4 - We have coal reserves which will last for another 50 years and till then fuel our thermal power stations. 5 - Our North eastern states have the capaicty to generate Hydroelectricity, why do the successive governments do not improve the infrastructure there, because no regional parties from the opposition take up this iss
RE:Nuclear deal - unwanted
by Maverick on Jul 01, 2008 07:49 PM Permalink
Dear Mr rai,
Your arguments 2,4 & 5 are weak and point 3 is incorrect. Please google to know more.
I agree with your fst point. But from where did you get the mv number
Nuclear deal is now even more imp inlight of rising inflation. If oil prices continue to rise this way we won't be aable to bargain on this deal again.
RE:RE:Nuclear deal - unwanted
by harish raj on Jul 01, 2008 08:18 PM Permalink
Point 2 - tELL ME HOW MUCH OF OUR ENERGY WILL BE FULFULLED BY THE NUCLEAR, pOINT 4 - IT IS CORRECT, YOU SHOULD SEE THAT CEMENT COMPANIES ARE IMPORTING COAL FROM INDONESIA AS WE ARE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN PRODUCTION. POINT 5 - NORTH EASTERN STATES ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCATED TO SUIT HYDROELECTRICITY PROJECTS, BUT THERE IS A LACK OF INFRA.
POINT 3 - 123 AGREEMENT PROVIDES 34 REACTORS, EACH REACTORS HAS A COST OF PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION, AND OPERATIONS, AND ALSO FUEL, WHICH DOES NOT ATTRACT MUCH.
RE:Nuclear deal - unwanted
by sanjay on Jul 01, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
1. iNDIA HAS above 100,000mw of untapped wind power, if we develop this we dont need nuclear energy, as wind energy is cheaper and also green. It can be installed in a very short span of time unlike the nuclear reactors.
- Wrong wind energy capital cost is huge. 2 - Nuclear energy is only going to account for arount 8% of India's total require ment. What about the rest, - Some european countries have 75% coming from nuclear energy, Japan and Korea have 50% and the US is having 16%. IF nuclear energy is that good, Why has the US not installed a single reactor after the 70's.
- Now they have started working in that direction and buildin more... 3- The cost of nuclear fuel is very high at the present rates which only the US will supply, What if tomorrow it stops its supply. Our scientists were developing thorium as a substitue which we have in plenty, why was the research stopped by the successive govts, Because the US was supplying with the political fuel to every party that had come to power at the centre;
Fuel is one part another is soime technology required. This deal isregarding civilian reactors that is why military or defence related research reactors atre excluded.
4 - We have coal reserves which will last for another 50 years and till then fuel our thermal power stations.
- Yes they are doing it since ages results are infront of us. 5 - Our North eastern states have the capaicty to generate Hydroelectricity, why do the successive governments do not improve the infr
RE:Nuclear deal - unwanted
by Secular India on Jul 01, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
US has no nuclear energy growth because OIL was cheap and plentiful so far. The Oil and automobile lobbies have been against any new energy and environmental standards ...its only now that the dirty matter has hit the cieling that all new forms of energy will be explored. Harnessing the power of atom is the only way to create plentiful energy in future. All other forms including wind and hydel are flaky at best.
RE:Nuclear deal - unwanted
by harish raj on Jul 01, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
secular india, automobile companies are more than happy if allpeople will start using nuclear energy because this will keep oil prices low and inturn will boost automobile demand. lol Refer to these facts in world-nuclear.com Our usage is 600 units per person per year, world average is 2000 and us average is 6000, much ahead of the world. US wants to sell the nuclear fuel to provide work to their scientists, for the next 30years, which it will supply to INDIA at higher rates. Yes, coal based thermal plants will generate ozone depleting gasses, but tell with your heart, which how much adulteration is done in petrol and diesel here, The entire scrap of the silicon is disposed into INDIA by the US, and there are lots other things through we can take carbon credits.
If the NDA want to teach a lesson to Marxists and show them that they are not masters of ceremony, then they will allow their units to vote by conscince! If they want to pull down Congress ministry then they will bring in no confidence vote in consonance with communist and give the latter a feeling of winning! So it is not an easy decision even for the NDA either. Heads we lose, tails they win! But i think in all this jhamelaa we are losing something different...has anybody heard of National interest? or since our party is India and karodo log chaahate hai kee what we say is always national interest. It is quite a joke to know that the nuclear deal will be discussed in the meeting of samajwadi party MPs. Who will say what and who will understand what is anybody's guess..May be there will be a deal of different type..unclear deal
Owsome news from NDA support side. Its really shows India is united one or the other way. I bet if congress is on other side they might have never supported this way to BJP lead goverment. I really wish NDA into power next time and Congress to be in opposition. Left should be kicked out to China itself. Idiot people. So much WB and Kerala suffered becuase of them.
RE:GREAT NDA
by Dinesh on Jul 01, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
If congress is in opposition, they will not support this deal. It is their habit. See when Lahore bus started, they opposed it and when they came to power, they started POK bus.
RE:Thackeray
by Dinesh on Jul 01, 2008 07:31 PM Permalink
But the question is, if NDA extends support to UPA, and if UPA says we do not want to take support from either SS or BJP(which they say communal party), then? That is why NDA should not extend support until it is asked for. UPA is afraid of loosing minority vote if they take support of NDA. It was already expressed by communists. So minority appeasement is more importent to these so called secular parties than national interest.
