American Govt and govt agencies speak with a forked tongue.hey themselves are aligned with terrorist groups who are helping them in their nefarious activities outside Pakistan.And US has been giving a clean chit to Pakistan for the last 60 years despite Pakistan's involvement in all that was anti-democracy,anti-humanity.
After Iraq invasion, Bush NEVER passed the orders to commit brutalities. It was purely in the army's hand to behave itself. It was a personal DECISION OF SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS to sadistically torture Iraqis or to shoot unarmed civilians due to fear (atleast initially in 2003-04). OTHER ARMIES WOULDN%u2019T have done that. Iraqis are so good natured that let alone Indian, even Pakistani, Russian or Chinese troops would have easily pacified them. US troops botched such an easy job and are now making Bush a scapegoat.
Bush%u2019s I.Q. should NOT be questioned. His ONLY problem is faulty speech. His decision making is perfect. For instance he requested Indian troops because HANDLING KASHMIR IS MILLION TIMES TOUGHER THAN HANDLING IRAQ. Kashmir will remain dangerous forever but Iraq would have cooled within a week had they interacted with Indian troops. That way, so many Iraqi lives could have been saved. Judge the average Iraqi%u2019s sincerity by the services of unsung Iraqi police during the period 2003-05. On the other hand there is something surreal about passionate Kashmir.
Some may say, "Why invade/occupy in the first place?" How do they know Intelligence is not responsible for this? How do they know what had happened and what was in his mind? To be fair the innocent man should be given a genuine opportunity to defend his actions.
It is not a style of bad guys to take unpopular step in face of overwhelming
RE:Myth About George Bush
by hghgh on Jan 18, 2008 09:37 PM Permalink
contd....... opposition. One doesn't take a risk like this for petty oil contracts. It is selfish men who always without fail play safe by maintaining status quo.
WHAT'S WRONG basically in invasion/occupation? There is this "occupation" in Kashmir of which so much is being made. Do critics realize that the separatist leaders gladly accept security from Indians or that the most anti-India Kashmiri ever born, Geelani purchases a house in Delhi in 2000s? Is it not true that had IPKF set things right none of the allegations would have occurred to anybody?
Sovereignty. Firstly, it doesn't affect Iraq's sovereignty. Bush never laid claim to the territory nor does he want to rule them. Bush's intention was to be there as helpers/liberators akin to NWFP tribal entry into Azad Kashmir 1947. Secondly, to hell with fictitious notion of sovereignty. If individual-to-individual behaviour had been human Iraqis won't mind if foreigners stay in their homes for a while.
Could it be that originally common Iraqis were not averse to invasion till seconds after soldiers actually came across them? It took trademark American courage and skills to make Iraqis hate occupation. Civilians who could testify this possibility were shot in their respective first meetings with trigger-happy troops.
Violence is ingrained in average American%u2019s genes. Campus shootout/friendly-fire occurs only in that gigantic/mammoth (which is bigger?) loony bin, US nation. To give an idea of hyperactive, imag
RE:RE:Myth About George Bush
by hghgh on Jan 18, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
contd............ imaginary fears of Americans, here is an anecdote. Bush's re-election in 2004 seemed unlikely. Osama Laden's VIDEO at that crucial juncture scared Americans and the mentally unsound populace voted Bush in. Such is the panic of Americans. Nations have national game, national song, national animal, national fruit. US have national disease: Anxiety-cum-depression.
Some may say, "He should have known what US army will do." Do they watch Hollywood movies with America-saved-the-planet theme? In USA, superiority complex is nurtured in every individual from the moment he is born. In these circumstances how could poor Bush predict the "greatness%u201D of US soldiers?
Pakistanis don't have a right to sympathize with Iraqis. If you love Iraqis so much why didn't you send peacekeeping force in 2003-04? You should have known it%u2019s a myth that Iraq is dangerous.
General public shouldn't keep any opinion because it only believes what media teaches them.
I think it is god's wish that the Pakistan should suffer. It will become another Afganisthan for sure and very soon. One reason why Vajpayee govt. did not take Kargil as the ruse and did not go for the full scale war was because he was advised by strategists that Pakistan left to itself would become poor and ruin itself by just becoming another Afganistan. Any war could have brought enormous funds from US and from many other countries in Europe and Pakitan will feed its camps of terrorists with this money. Terrorists are not like soldiers and they are generally cowards who would run away to kill innocents later. So the regular army would fight and die but by the time terrorists would become very fat with money. This was the exact reason why India shied away from escalating the war of Kargil full scale. We Indians should allow Pakistan to rot ,ruin and decompose fully or else ,they would feed the terrorists more. As a nation it sould fail sooner than later and look for help. They would get money from Europe and US only and if only they could effectively create trouble to India ,weather it is a Kashmir issue or kafirs who worship idlos issue. It does not make a difference for the fools in Pakistan. Don't have any hope.
This sound similar like Afghanistan, earlier they kept watch on Afghanistan then after 9/11 they got reason that laden is in Afghanistan so find him and for that bomb Afghanistan...now they have started saying people inside pakistan is helping Al Qaeda, after year or so they will say that now pakistan is not capable of handling the state afairs so America wil lhelp them to do that and then they all American Army will shift base from Afghanistan to pakistan...then one day something will happen in US and will say that culprits are in Pakistan so Bomb pakistan, may be Mushraf will help them, then they will tell India now you dont have to bother about your borders from Pakistan side as they are safe in our hand, so lets concentrate on our trade ties and talk some business...hmm good stratergy..keep it up.
RE:So it started
by Kishore Lalwani on Jan 18, 2008 04:48 PM Permalink
Good Assesment. You are genius. Don't waste your time here, use your knowledge at some right place.
RE:So it started
by Navin Shelar on Jan 18, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
What hav u done Idiot u have disclose the open secret strategy of US ....still evry1 beleivs that Afganistan is terrorist country but they d,nt knw US is funding this terrorisum....any how US strategy is very simple to declear themself as an super power and for that they need to hav miletary base in most part of the world...for which they are doing this... gr8 example is Iraq war bush said it was threat to US becoz of chemical warfar and weapns of mass distruction that Iraq posses but when the war was over they nvr found it....now they r sitting on the worlds No1 oil reserv of the worl.......Theres DVD avialable on this in rest part of the world but not in India bro... anyhow if u need it tell me i will send u across....
RE:So it started
by Kishore Lalwani on Jan 18, 2008 04:49 PM Permalink
Good Assesment. You are genius. Don't waste your time here, use your knowledge at some right place.
When Indian Security Officials Reported about Terrorist Camps in Afganistan before 9/11,CIA's were deaf.Now when PAK Soil undergoes changes in Leadership they worry since they shiver from the effect of 9/11.India on the other hand is experiencing terrorist attacks from breed of Pak-Afgan Millitants for many years.The U.S Goverment must atleast foresee its operations against foriegn lands which they intentionally or non intentonally support.Their National Budgets are ending up inside Militry Leaders Pockets(like Mushraff).Why dont they raise ban on IMF benifits which these terrorist states(Pak,Iran) are receving.
RE:CIA see's Threat from Boon,Not from Brave.
by Gautam Sinha on Jan 18, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
There are or were 2 strong states(or countries if you prefer) where west had moderate Muslim folks. One was Iraq but the leader was extremely uncooperative with the west and the second is Pakistan. Iraq is finished but if they ban IMF the military will not stop its hegemony and exploitation and this will make easier grounds for new recruits to terrorism. This is a even bigger threat as the double agents too will turn against the west.
The CIA report goes on to add that General Musharraf is actually an Angel sent from the heaven by God (Read US Administration ) for the well being of downtrodden (read Pakis ) and to spread the message of love (read Taliban & Kashmiri terrorists ) all across the world .
RE:Complete text of CIA report
by mahesh lakshminarayan on Jan 18, 2008 04:10 PM Permalink
CIA are not good these days.I think Mosac is the best in these cases.They should have thought before doing Arms Deal with Pakistan.
RE:Complete text of CIA report
by Gautam Sinha on Jan 18, 2008 08:26 PM Permalink
Mosaic - Internet browser from which MIcrosoft IE borrowed code Mossad - Israeli intellegence agency from where CIA copies reports about the Arab World. Mosac - whats that??
Turmoil in Pakistan is dangerous for India as it has a spillover effect. If terrorists run over Pakistan (as seems more probable now), the flow of Jihadis from Pak to India is bound to increase. Pak Army is fast losing its grip over the country and the situation there is anarchical. Soon there will be no one to rein in the terrorists and the will have free field to play in Pakistan. Coupled with this they will have nukes in their hands which they can first try on India. India being a soft state may be put up with a hard task in near future.
RE:India beware
by sivasubramanian on Jan 18, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
The nuke attack can happen even without Taliban take over of Pak. So India should leave all the evil design to kill LTTE (who are helpless and not provided with equal capacity of ARMS from world nation to match the Lankan force)and Indian Navy should mind about their border securities only.
RE:India beware
by Gautam Sinha on Jan 18, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink
YOur thoughts are correct but there is another alternative too. Buoyed by the uncertainty these militants may try to overrun Pakistan and not so much concentrate on India.
All Pak leaders will die the same way as Benazir. What for Benazir came to Her so called home country? She was living in those palacial mansion all over the world. I guess these mansions do't allow u to live in peace since they come up by investing the ill gotten BLACK money.Fast in Fast out.
Musharaff has the curses of those Indian soldiers families who died in the Kargil war. I was very unhappy when Vajpayee shook hands with him to sit and sort out Kashmir.
The father of Pakistan Nation also died a pitiful death by road side as he was not transferred immediately to hospital on heart attack... the ambulance carrying father of nation broke down on road and could not make to the hospital [it was secret instruction of the then political leader .. dont remember his name]
if the father of nation died a cruel death then all the leaders are doomed for same ....
pakistan was created by blood shed of thousands of innocents... so this nation will never survive
the head of Family gives share to his Son to lead a independent life, it is for the Son to decide how he should use the fund and prosper, if he keeps using that fund to destroy the family from where he came; he is doomed
