Dear rAhul, This is the well established System of Payments established over the years by Congrss Party. The fact is after Sanctioning the money atleast 5% is put into use by Non Congress Parties as Roads and Power stations,Business Installations only because those people know what to do and get along with People who execute.Whereas Rahul Your Party Congress,has impeccable history of Stopping work,Inflaming Tensions on Caste basis,on Religion basis,Stirring non Development issues,Defence Deal scams....I really doubt your people can use even 5% into actual use simply because they simply dont know tob deliver.Nor they trust others to do the same.
I HAVE A SIMPLE ALTERNATIVE TO RECOVER ALL THAT VANISHING MONEY
If there can be a raid on ALL congress leaders who was an MLA, MP, MLC, Corporator, Panchayat Chairman - you will recover so much that you can wipe off the deficit.
If we raid ALL political parties (on the above criteria), and ALL government officials in IT, PWD, Commercial Taxes, All procurement officers, customs, Police, and all Class I, II contractors, chartered accountants, lawyers, we will have so much surplus funds.
These are the real SWINDLERS. We will fall short of paper, if we have to write a "SWINDLERS LIST".
This is excluding all that has gone in SWISS accounts, Quattrochi accounts, etc. That will be a small change which Rahul Baba can keep!
RE:RE:SWINDLERS LIST
by OBC Yadav on Jan 18, 2008 12:12 AM Permalink
Everybody hates corruption and Politician. Its the latest punching bag on this forum. We, Indian are corrupt as a person. All of us preach anti- corruption and when we ourself got entangled in any diffucult situation we offered bribe without any second thought. How many of us actually tried to pay our full Traffic challan, rather percentage to of it Traffic cop?? How many of us desperatly paid extra money to railway TT to secure that only vacant Bearth on Train? How many of us readly paid donations in school to get admission in school? Our soiciety is mirror image of our self. Our Politician are one of us. Only they are smartest of us.
RE:RE:RE:SWINDLERS LIST
by Demo-crazy on Jan 18, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
I disagree with you. The way rules are framed, the system is run makes one sick of it. If you really want to pay the fine, you are not sure whether it goes to govt or it is a forged book.
Try paying actual fine, they will make it look exorbitant, do not share information transparently and then force you to pay the same or lesser amount without a receipt (i.e., bribe).
I have analyzed a bit about this, and feel that there is lot of deliberate complexity built in to make the system conducive for corruption.
Given fair, simple mechanisms, strict implementation of rules, no one will try to bribe. Since very few of admin machinery ever really get caught or pay for their crimes, the public is forced to bend.
It is an organized mafia at work - politician, police, contractors, tax officials, customs, etc..
If anyone is honest, he will be put into some useless roles. You know what happened to Manjunath, Kiran Bedi...
RE:SWINDLERS LIST
by OBC Yadav on Jan 18, 2008 02:10 AM Permalink
We have limited resources in India. This is one reason why we have so much corruption in India and in west they don't (atleast at grassroot level). We have limited resource and there is a huge gap in demand and supply. This gave people oppourtunity to make money. Guy how will pay highest will get that servise.
Typically people give same excuse for not paying his Traffic challan as you have provided.
I have an example where a nurse in Government Hospital won't let a poor couple identify there new born baby without money.
All Politician, Police, contractors, tax official, business man (how can you forgot our Ambani's) custom guy's etc didn't come from Jupiter, they are one of us. Its a disease that all of us got.
We learn this from home, when we steal power, don't pay our income taxes and house taxes.
You can't blame it on politician. Even media is corrupt. I know one of a politician who pay a respected Newspaper in Delhi to get coverage.
Your Swindler's list is around 1 billion people long. Yes except few millions like ManjuNath.(Assuming Current Indian Polulation 1 billion few million )
RE:SWINDLERS LIST
by Demo-crazy on Jan 18, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
I agree with you that the malady of corruption is widespread. we in private sector, at least do not get to indulge in such things (i.e taking bribes).
My point is the law to punish the corrupt needs to be stringent, it must be deterrent enough to put the fear in their minds - confiscation of property, long term imprisonment, heavy fines apart from recovery of all ill gotten money, and withdrawal of driving license, passport, life time bar on contesting any elections, etc. If such a law is present and punishment swift for anyone found indulging in corruption at any level, then automatically things will be controlled.
Rahul baba, find out how much of it has lined the pockets of your partymen, UPA allies, SP, BSP, Communists, etc.
I notice that many of your communist allies are sporting chubby cheeks. Maya has blown up like anything (age = chest = bum). Lalu and Co, Shibu & Madhu Koda, Paswan, Karuna, Ramadosses, etc. - if you have guts go after them. Find out how much they have swindled over the years.
When you cannot answer for the Quattrochi acts, the overt and covert support of your government to him, you will never have any moral right to question your alliance partners.
Had Congress been even 25% honest, we could have seen more development.
Love to see all the comment on this forum against Rahul. If some outsider go by these comment, he will belive BJP is ruling India and Modi is prime minister.
What type of alternative has BJP offered to people of India? Their own house is in disorder. Bjp is not able to manage its own party, how its going to manage India ?? See Atal is already retired, Advani is around 80 year old, plus weakened by RSS because of his comment on Jinnah. Where ever BJP is in power, its leader are fighting. Look at Gujrat, KeshuBhai, Mehta etc. In UP Kalayan was also gone for while. In MP, Uma Bharti has her own Party. Rajasthan.... heard they have problem too, Jaswant singh served crack in his Party and Vasundra has report this to media. In Karnatka, Their CM could not save himself more than a week. Only Modi has following in Gujrat, But he can't even compaingn in Bihar and UP b'coz Nitish don't want him to do that. Earlier BJP won UP and Bihar and formed government at center. Now, Mayavati has almost decimated BJP from UP inspite of Rajnath being President of BJP.
Modi Can't campaign in Bihar because Nitish needs muslim Votes. If Modi Campaign in Bihar then Nitish will not support BJP. Once Advani is gone from Scene their will be a leadership Vaccum in BJP. All Second rung leader in BJP will fight among themself.
An alternative is always good any country but it seems BJP won't be able to provide that.
RE:No Alternative to Rahul's Congress
by Vish on Jan 17, 2008 10:11 PM Permalink
Keep on dreaming of BJP demise.
BJP will rule this country. Hinduvta is passing like wild fire from North to South, from West to est, from Punjab to Karnataka, from Gujarat to Nagaland.
My Friend, burin in your brain: Only Hinduvta can save this country.
RE:No Alternative to Rahul's Congress
by Demo-crazy on Jan 17, 2008 11:29 PM Permalink
I HAVE A SIMPLE ALTERNATIVE TO RECOVER ALL THAT VANISHING MONEY
If there can be a raid on ALL congress leaders who was an MLA, MP, MLC, Corporator, Panchayat Chairman - you will recover so much that you can wipe off the deficit.
If we raid ALL political parties (on the above criteria), and ALL government officials in IT, PWD, Commercial Taxes, All procurement officers, customs, Police, and all Class I, II contractors, chartered accountants, lawyers, we will have so much surplus funds.
These are the real SWINDLERS. We will fall short of paper, if we have to write a "SWINDLERS LIST".
This is excluding all that has gone in SWISS accounts, Quattrochi accounts, etc. That will be a small change which Rahul Baba can keep!
Rahul : Do you know how many Congress governments have passed since your father told that story ?. Why they could not improve the figure even by a point or two ?. Whom are you blaming buddy ?. Who have been swindling that money ?. Ask Mom or Q, you may get an answer. You are spitting on your own face...
Everybody hates corruption and Politician. Its the latest punching bag on this forum. We, Indian are corrupt as a person. All of us preach anti- corruption and when we ourself got entangled in any diffucult situation we offered bribe without any second thought. How many of us actually tried to pay our full Traffic challan, rather percentage to of it Traffic cop?? How many of us desperatly paid extra money to railway TT to secure that only vacant Bearth on Train? How many of us readly paid donations in school to get admission in school? Our soiciety is mirror image of our self. Our Politician are one of us. Only they are smartest of us.
