RE:when
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 06:31 PM Permalink
Prajapati Brahmakumaris is the largest network of NGOs in the world. How many of us have heard of them? We hear about the charity of missionaries only due to millions of dollars spent on advertisement itself!!!!!
lets think fr a minute jesus was a messenger and jews crusified him, but when hiltler killed 70 lac jews in gas chambers wht was the true son of god doing or he was enjoying the blood of jews, is he so thursty fr blood
Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high; Where knowledge is free; Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls; Where words come out from the depth of truth; Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection; Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit; Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action-- Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
Arrey Bhai, thats where you need to get along with God. You know, Jesus did all things right & yet died on the cross. You know, Dinakran was able to pray & ask God to heal others while he himself couldnt do the same to himself.
But for both Jesus & Dinakran, God is common na? You shoudl have asked God directly? Why do u try to find answers among a multitude of confused people? You are as if these confusions have been answered to all except you.
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 06:14 PM Permalink
Dear Pradeep, Your question is atleast 2000 yrs old. While on the cross, Jesus was also asked this question. But it was not a 'Answer-in-one-word' answer. His own disciples understood Him LATER and not while He was with them. Later, Once they understood the truth, they were hell bent in preaching the "good news"(if u understand) that death has been won over, we need just to believe that Jesus dies for all Humans ONCE. NOt even one disciple of Jesus died a natural death, every one died simply because they were told not to preach and yet they preached.
RE:RE:RE:RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 06:22 PM Permalink
we are better at it! Its only when Christianity spread as a religion that Hospitals,HOstel,Schools and all what you feel is being done by Government as charity for the poor were built. Your Hindu Gurus have existed for centuries, yet only now suddently everybody wants to start something.
Pls think only for ONE minute. Where on earth would have the idea of starting a Orphanage, Free Hospital et al come up if there were no christians? You feel missionaries take advantage the dalits/adivasis in India, where in fact they have risked their life in doing it. The same is the case with Africa. We do love all our national leaders & freedom fighters, because India is only country which has fought for freedom using 'Satyagraha' at a time when 'WORLD WAR' was ripe. We love it. Unfortunately you have accepted all of your ideas of Christianity from ur short-minded gurus, instead of having ur thought about it from the WORDS & INTENTIONS of Jesus.
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by Ramanath Babu on Feb 20, 2008 06:36 PM Permalink
onellifetogo,
Don't talk about missioneries. 90% of them are fraud. They became missionries to enjoy life. They have everything. Forein money is pumped in for their comforts. And once money is there, they get all local comforts too. The penthicost sect in christians believe that only God can cure your illness. Hospitals/doctors hve no role to play. I do not know why Dinakaran got admitted in Hospital. It is even strage that this convert had not changed his name even after embracing christianity. 'Dionakaran' is a Hindu God, and how he could keep that name?
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>Christians are more patriotic than hindus...........which christians are you talking about? The Goan inquisitionists?? You are showing patriotism only after independence. Till the foreigners ruled India, the Christians were their stooges and tried their level best to be in their good books. Of course people of some other religions also were their stooges and even got titles like "Raobahadur" "sir" etc!!!!!!!!
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 06:35 PM Permalink
They are showing patriotism only due to compulsion. The followers of semitic religions have only one agenda. Somehow eradicate the native culture! They have adopted the same stragegy the world over. It is only in India that they could not succeed due to inherent strength of our native culutre.
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by crazyforsense on Feb 20, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
@Nanchil
Someone will report your comment as abuse and Rediff will block it - though they didn't have qualms about raj's remark "be a patriot to ur country not to ur xian masters".....as if that raj fellow becomes more patriotic cos of his name itself!!!!
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 06:25 PM Permalink
onelifetogo, you are under a wrong notion. Prajapati Brahmakumaris is the largest network of NGOs in the world. How many of us have heard of them? We hear about the charity of missionaries only due to millions of dollars spent on advertisement itself!!!!!
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by raj on Feb 20, 2008 06:14 PM Permalink
whts the difference between them wht he did 2000 yrs back this fellow is doing it now both r crap
RE:RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 06:16 PM Permalink
You are even bigger crap, that you didnt understand them both. One was 2000 yrs back, the other one, you could have understood better.
RE:why didn't jesus saved him
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
Nanchil, he has not yet died. He is a chiranjeevi!!!!!!!!!!!! How the godmen and godwoman etc die???
I know you are looking into all these 169 post.Master forgive them coz they don know wat they do.. instead forgive & bless the lord.... u r the one who knows wats wrong & who is wrong & correct. We are nothing to judge anyone as we are poor creations. i know even following this post some senceless reply may follow.... bless them too....... let pease come on earth...... Amen
RE:My Prayers.....
by gac on Feb 20, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
pls. i need to know that loving father n master u have mentioned refers to lord Jesus or mr.dinakaran.
RE:My Prayers.....
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 06:03 PM Permalink
Sorry on behalf of "My Prayers..." Do you really want to know?? or just wanted to have a go? I have written enought for you yaar. Why dont you be yourself & ask God these questions? Because God loves you, he will do anything to get ur Qs answered. But for that you need to meet Him at a place where nobody knows you, neither you know anybody. I mean, Just forget what anybody else knows about God/Jesus and all.
RE:My Prayers.....
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
onelifetogo, there is a joke. A student wrote half the answers and wrote on the answer paper that the god will to the rest. The evaluator put two zero and wrote that I have done 2/3rd and leave the rest to the god!!!!!!
in the land of god's(india) we have many modern godmen (all religion) but everyone had one thing in common (i.e)all have established their wealth. except mother teresa.
RE:land of god's
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
If you were born a few hundred years from now, you wudnt have spared "Mother Theresa" also
According to records, Jesus is an Asian!! just as Gautam Buddha, is an Asian to the Chinese, Srilankans, Japanese. People in China, Japan, dont consider Buddha as a "white man".
RE:RE:According to records, Jesus is an Asian!!
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
So you are a racist? What probs do you have being white??? Or are you jealous?? Ha Ha Ha. Think twise OK!
RE:According to records, Jesus is an Asian!!
by gac on Feb 20, 2008 05:43 PM Permalink
u have a prob onelifetogo, not being a white man is nothing wrong. the fact is Gautama Buddha is not a white man n jesus is not an asian.
RE:According to records, Jesus is an Asian!!
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 05:55 PM Permalink
Lets find out who has a problem, you or me.
How did you prove Jesus is not Asian?? Jesus was born in Israel, eastern part of Asia.
Wikipedia: Siddhartha was born in Lumbini[1]and raised in the small kingdom or principality of Kapilvastu, both of which are in modern day Nepal.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea. Judea is the mountainous southern part of the historic Land of Israel. Israel is a country in Southwest ASIA located on the southeastern edge of the Mediterranean Sea.
RE:According to records, Jesus is an Asian!!
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
onelifetogo, both Jesus and Gautama the Buddha were Asians. Unfortunately the West Asian gods are jealous and that is the root cause of the clash of civilizations!!!!
RE:RE:According to records, Jesus is an Asian!!
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
correction: the Third line to be read as: Jesus was born in Israel, western part of Asia
RE:According to records, Jesus is an Asian!!
by JAGADISH EBENEZER on Feb 20, 2008 09:12 PM Permalink
Dear one life to go, What does it matter whether Jesus was a white man or black man? You either accept Jesus and what He said or Go ahead and reject Him. The choice is Yours...
RE:According to records, Jesus is an Asian!!
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 06:24 PM Permalink
Dear JGN, you first co-operate with ur hindu friends regarding Idealogy of Jesus as whiteman, then ur Qs will be cleared
Theism is a hypothesis which, among other things, attempts an explanation of the universe. The theist recognizes a creator who created the universe and is responsible for its operation. The atheist clearly perceives that the assumption of a creator does not advance him in the slightest degree towards the solution of the mysterious problem of the universe. The oft-repeated question still admits of no answer, "Who created the creator"?
It is an absurd answer to reply that the creator created himself, yet, even if this is granted, may not the universe have created itself? If the theist puts forward the statement that God has always existed, the atheist may well reply that if God has always existed, why can he not say that the universe has always existed? The atheist is not concerned with the creation of the universe; to him it presents a problem which is beyond the comprehension of his present mental capacities. He comprehends the fact of its being, and that is as far as he or any rational mind can go. Atheism confines itself to a refutation of theism, and avoids the theistic fallacy of assuming without any proofs or reasonable arguments to substantiate286 the assumption of an intelligent, omnipotent, omniscient, anthropomorphic, and anthropocentric creator. The theistic assumption has but retarded the advance of practical knowledge, and prepared the soil for superstition and the countless terrors of religious beliefs.
Various upanishads attack the same issue (of creation and creator) from various angles, because there is no singl eprecise way of expressing it.
One Upanishad says, in the beginning, there was only God and nothing else. A thought arose in him, "May I become many?". And, so he spun out of himself this entire world of myriad forms, just as a spider spins a web out of itself!
The question, "who created the creator", does not arise, because the definition of creator is that omnipotent, omnipresent entity, whom nobody created.
Nobody created him, he was always there, and he will always be there and he is eternal.
RE:Who created the Creator?????
by Nanchil on Feb 20, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
Why do you hate JGN. JGN will become mad after reading your message. Please spare him.
RE:Who created the Creator?????
by Nanchil on Feb 20, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
The problem is that you are thinking that christians are your enemies. I think you have less opportunity to interact with christians. The truth is that we love India as much as you do. We follow the Indian culture and not European culture. We are peacefully coexisting with hindus. You can see this in kerala and other parts of south India. The thing is ideological differences have no relation with personal relationship.
I definitely agree and understand that many people are hurt by the caste system, but converting to Christianity or any other religion is not a solution. My humble opinion!
Well, we can meet again on the net some other day, discuss and fight again.
RE:RE:Who created the Creator?????
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>JGN will become mad after reading your message.............I an only sympathise with people like you who believe in fairy tales!!! I will neither get mad nor do I have any hatred for you.
RE:Who created the Creator?????
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 05:40 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>creation and the creator are one.........I created myself!!!!!! Good idea!!!!!
RE:Who created the Creator?????
by onelifetogo on Feb 20, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
You question itself shows that you believe in a "Creator", then why dont you ask the Creator you fool? why are you trying to find confusing answers from the Human race and get confused again?
RE:want to know
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 05:01 PM Permalink
I do not dislike Mr. Dinakaran but I defnitely hate his ideologies! I have even asked many bloggers ridiculing him not to so.
RE:want to know
by gac on Feb 20, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
agreed with u JGN, but i feel he has exploited the miseries of ppl and poor ppl who are facing their bad times just for his luxurious lifestyle, which he has made this into a dynasty business.
RE:want to know
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
Talking bad about a departed person is against civilized behaviour. Let us not dig such things at least today.
If a person through fear, compulsion, starvation, or for material gain or consideration goes over to another faith, it is a misnomer to call it conversion. Most cases of conversion have been to my mind false coin. I would therefore unhesitatingly re-admit to the Hindu fold all such repentants without much ado. If a man comes back to the original branch he deserves to be welcomed in so far as he may deem to have erred, he has sufficiently purged himself of it when he repents his error and retraces his steps. (Collected Works: Vol. 66, pp. 163-164)
RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by on Feb 24, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
Hi, My "personal opinion" of this is that these articles by Gandhiji were his own impression, influenced greatly by his frustrations with the British rule. Christainity demands of every Christian to spread the Word of GOD, based on teachings of Jesus Christ. But, as per the Bible it has to be thru being an good example and leading holy lives. A true Christian will not approve of conversion by means of creating fear or by giving material gains. Incases, where this was done, it was not correct. True Christians don't want quantity and people not worthy spiritually. Western missionaries may not understand local culture, and hence converts are at times, worse off (culturally speaking), post conversion. Local culture should be encouraged, as long as it does not go against religious beliefs or human rights (eg. stopping things like sati, caste system, worshiping demonic idols, etc). The hugh positive contribution of the missionaries by making a positive contribution to peoples lives in areas like education, health care, relief in times of trouble should not be ignored. This is a thankless job and Cheers to them for working hard for those in need. To conclude, lets not use few past events or few bad examples as reason to condemn Christianity or the missionaries. It requires spiritual thirst and wisdom to understand Christ's teachings. GOD Bless !
There have been numerious cases of people converting to Christianity, and finding "real spiritual peace and presence of GOD in t
RE:RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by Nanchil on Feb 20, 2008 05:01 PM Permalink
Gandhi was a confused mind when it comes to religion. But compared to RSS/VHP supporters christians have great respect for Gandhi as he fought for unity in a non-violent manner.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by sitaram sakthi on Feb 20, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
tomorrow you will say gandhiji converted to christianity in his last days.. and all his followers need to be converted..
"god killed himself on the cross to save his own creations from his own wrath??"
RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by Ramanath Babu on Feb 20, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
Nanchil,
On the one hand you say you love India more than Hindus and on the other hand you want to abuse Hinduism. That is the precise reason why we want people like you out of this country. If you have the courage post your address here and we will show what we can do.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 05:10 PM Permalink
Nanchil, people like you are trying to defend the indensible!!!! Neither can you defend the faith in today's world driven by science and technology nor can you justify the conversion! What are you fighting for? Why don't you believe in the principles of neo-humanism, breft of any religious dogmas???
RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by Nanchil on Feb 20, 2008 05:14 PM Permalink
What are you fighting for? Why are you happy abusing christians while shutting your mouth on hinduism? Why do you think that God is bound to science?
RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by JGN on Feb 20, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
I do not like the believers of semitic religions ridiculing our native culture (don't confuse culture with religion). The poor hindus who do not have any knowledge of The Bible and The Koran cannot counter them effectively. Btw I do not have special attachement to any religion.
Because, the original "varna system" of ancient India is different from the casteism that was practised for the last few hundred years.
"Varna system" was a very innocent, harmless system, for the welfare of all people.
I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion, but Ambedkar was one super-junk. We can leisurely fight about Ambedkar later some other time, I am tired now.
RE:RE:Mahatma Gandhi on conversion - 6
by Nanchil on Feb 20, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
He said there should not be any discrimination in terms of caste but he supported varna-system. Read the articles of Ambedkar on Gandhi you will know. BTW only hinduism is a junk religion in the world as it does have contradictory philosophies and myths.
