RE:Something is wrong with this message board
by rexberry on Feb 19, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
why u blame those poor biharis... they work to provide basic needs for there family... these illegal immigrants are not working for basic needs they are in US for luxury ...please dont campare poor people with these illegal immigrants....
RE:Something is wrong with this message board
by jihu on Feb 20, 2008 12:34 AM Permalink
good luck if you chose to exchange opinions any further with the poster....
The million dollar question is how do we improve the situation in India so that the west start migrating to India and we have "Goras" driving taxis in Delhi and "Goris" working as maids in Mumbai, goras waiting on line for our Visas?
RE:Cont'D
by Anil Kumar on Feb 19, 2008 10:27 PM Permalink
The three legs of democracy in India are corroded to the core, with probably a slightly better record for judicial. So, for things to improve in India, it will take time. It has to come from within. Public servants (a.k.a govt. officials) should stop looking for personal gains in everything they do, that too with public funds. Putting an end to corruption everywhere should be the first step. Only then there is hope for improvement. On a different note, why do you want goras to migrate to India? Population density is already so high! Undoubtedly population explosion is also the main culprit.
RE:Cont'D
by ashish on Feb 19, 2008 10:09 PM Permalink
will never happen in a mill years ,the diff is they take pride in their country while indians will say jai hind ,india is the best but will spit ,litter or pay oblivion if some one else does it
RE:Cont'D
by arbitary on Feb 19, 2008 10:26 PM Permalink
US has a history of immigration because their resident population is less and work is more. How do you ever expect India to be in that situation? Also, it is a huge misconception that Americans have immigrants working as drivers and maids. Probably 1% of the population does. Otherwise an upper-class American does much more housework than an upper-class Indian. To have the luxuries that you have in India - maid, driver, istri-waala, etc you have to be very rich in America.
RE:Cont'D
by jay b on Feb 19, 2008 10:29 PM Permalink
nri log jo bhi bolen dollar agar gir gayega toh sab nri log bhagenge , kahaan ....... you know it
Suppress communism And start enterprising. Creation of Wealth and Valuable products is important Than Hating Someone in the Name of Caste/Creed And Looting Wealth.
Instead of Have-Havenot divide, If we can promote Creationist-Parasite Divide in the Society, India will jump forward to your desired status within just 10-15 years.
Re: Cont'D
by Guest on Jul 27, 2009 03:36 AM Permalink
Since when is it theresponsibility of Americans to improve the situation in India? The answer is to India's problems is birth control...
RE:Cont'D
by avinash jha on Feb 19, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
hahaa.. nice dream!! would love to see that.. but come out of dreams my boy..i dont see that happening in ur lifetime.for that matter..not in next 100yrs :(
Indians forms a good part of the illegal immigrant populations in most of the countries; not only in US but also Europe, Australia and in countries such as S'pore, Malaysia and even Thailand. You can debate on the reasons, merits etc on this; the reality is that it affects India's image as a global economic power. You pass by the American embassy in Mumbai or the Bhulabhai Desai road, you will at leat 1000 people standing on line at any point of time. The fact is still, if not 800million, 500 million are ready to jump the boat if given a chance.
As I understand from my friends from the software industry, every Tom, Dick and Harry went to US during the dotcome boom and many lost jobs and finding it difficult to get a good job in the software field and they dont want to come back because of their ego. Whoever comes back blame everything in US. The fact is there are many Indian professionals who do not consider India as their first option but want to look outside India; they may justify their intentions also.
I am not a software guy, but what I understand from my freinds in software is that, all the great Indian software companies are nothing more than labor contractor who provide humans at a price per hour.
Even with all the growth India has the population growth or increase of people with professional qualifications is more than the industry growth and most of them end up doing lousy jobs.
The million dollar question is how do we improve the situation in India
RE:Illegal immigration
by ezekielrage on Feb 20, 2008 02:34 AM Permalink
Very sensible comment indeed... the problem is with the currencies too. Bankers and countries manipulate currencies to get extra profit and the lesser folk just run around like rabbits chasing a carrot on a stick... that is the world in a nutshell.
RE:Illegal immigration
by Gautam Sinha on Feb 20, 2008 09:25 AM Permalink
Hi VirarChurchgate, Just like if you see the crowded train from Virar to Churchgate in morning you cannot assume people are migrating to Churchgate or love to go there or something, same way you cannot assume by seeing queue outside consulate. Most go to work. And if you want to see the correct picture you gotta see the evening locals back, see the flights coming back to India for the right picture. Those flights are also full. Also your friends are not the right sample of Indian professionals, there are many more. Please do not generalize.
RE:RE:usa is much better than india. no hindu muslim riots, hindu hindu riots. too much poverty, corruption, filth in india. i visited bombay once, and gha*ti women were shitting on railway track and saying jai shivaji, i never went back. lol
by ashish on Feb 19, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
i agree mate ,can never live in tat filthy country after livin in the states
RE:RE:RE:usa is much better than india. no hindu muslim riots, hindu hindu riots. too much poverty, corruption, filth in india. i visited bombay once, and gha*ti women were shitting on railway track and saying jai shivaji, i never went back. lol
by manipatruni abhinav on Feb 20, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
screw u mate..ur a loser better stay away from the country
It is bound to happen because there are lot of H1 B employees come here and can not or do not want to go back to india for fear of losing face when they fall out of status and they continue to hope that they would land up with another opportunity soon. The employers bring the consultants here with false promises and when they land here after lot of fanfare in india it is difficult for them to go back and let their folks know that they have been duped by the so many mom and pop recruiting companies who is out to make a quick buck. Having said that it depends on the consultants to do what is legal in this country. I hope and wish the educated greaduates from India who come here on non immigrant visas do what is legit and ask all the questions before hand when they get here. I would also like to comment on what silicon valley attorney Mr.Shah Peerally said that 800 million would want to migrate to US of A. Either he is not born in India or He is Ignorant of about the country. With due respects I did not expect a irresponsible statement coming from an attorney.
Given the high living cost in USA I don't think any graduate would like to live a life of third class citizen in the shadows of society. This article is for those american citizens who think they are going to be flooded by foreign nationals..
In saudi arabia... there are ppl from india coming by free visa(pay some hefty amount to some bogus agency)arrive here ..can work in a company(if appointed)) for 1 year without any hurdles... these ppl after one year may get sponsored by the same company or else will be kicked out n then they start staying illegally.... definitely they have financial problems at home so they stay back in saudi... BUT HOW COME PPL STAY IN US ILLEGALLY... only so called skilled people from india enter US with a good financial back ground....i dunno the visa process for US... but definitely after been kicked out from the sponsored company why the hell they stick there a$$ in US... they r financially strong with good opportunities back in india....itna bhi mat giro besharmon
RE:America is ruled by the Devil
by mihir patel on Feb 19, 2008 09:14 PM Permalink
Well, Immigration rules have made in favour of their citizens, now elections coming near... if every illegal immigrant get to gether and put their views and efforts to reform immigration policy. they can surely achive that. In this contry, every one has their basic humaneterian law. and as per my experiance there is a corruption in US congress. they make/pass laws. And every one should remember one thing is that, if any laws is not in favour of these (american congress people) they trun on flag for rejections or some other longer ways. As per my experiance indian people can effort to change laws diplomatic way i.e. some indian ministers can put their efforts in it, and congress can able to consider at some priority level. on top of it, i think if indians logically support American military. they can able to help in immigration reforms that include faster process time and some librality in immigration laws. thanks Mihir
Re: RE:America is ruled by the Devil
by Chief Elkhart on Jul 27, 2009 03:47 AM Permalink
American does not need immigration reform, only enforcement of existing immigration laws. A backlash against Indians is growing rapidly and will culminate in the ehtnic cleansing of Indians from America.
RE:America is ruled by the Devil
by rexberry on Feb 19, 2008 09:18 PM Permalink
But why u want to stay in US... i mean even so called illegal immigrants of US are also financially strong and being a skilled person there are many job opportunities back in india...
RE:America is ruled by the Devil
by Welcome on Feb 19, 2008 09:29 PM Permalink
You have a point. The knowledge pros. are in the bargaining position whereas the article points to the weakness. BTW, I don't like the word highskill, they are professionals.
RE:America is ruled by the Devil
by rexberry on Feb 19, 2008 11:22 PM Permalink
high skilled workers is not my term... this term is been used in approving visa.... def they are professionals
Whole of America is a case of illegal immigrants. White settlers cruelly annihilated the local population. Slave trade, slave colonies and convicts formed large part of American history. The most sly, criminal politics is from US, as they have crime in their blood.
RE:It's their heritage
by Anil Kumar on Feb 19, 2008 09:04 PM Permalink
Well, this happened with India too. Aryans are not native Indians. They migrated to the northern India (from northern Eurasia?) because of weather conditions, perhaps 1000-2000 years ago. Even the Muslims are not native to India. They came in 7th century. Then again, there was no single, real, united India. Whatever the Bharatvarsh we have been taught about in schools perhaps existed a long time ago, and there is no historical evidence in any form to prove that this country was ever under the control of one king. There were always alliances, of course. So, what's the big deal about Europeans migrating to North America about 400 years ago? Only a mere 50/60 years ago people were still practicing slavery in America (in the form segregation, not exactly like the slavery before civil war,it's the slavery mentality I am talking about). When you put things in context, it is only in the last 2 to 3 decades we - the humans - started making conscious efforts to become more civilized. Alas, even that was lost with terrorism and pre-emptive wars. We don't live in a perfect world. Nobody is clean.
RE:It's their heritage
by dtr on Feb 19, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
Adivasis. DNA traces conducted by archaeological/Scientific communities shows that, humans migrated out of africa several times as batches. Some of the batches reached south India (crossing arabian sea, which was much shallower during those days), and spread to south east asia. Aborigines in Australia, Tribals in Papua Nugenea (who still preserves their 8000 year old traditions) are examples.
RE:It's their heritage
by jihu on Feb 19, 2008 09:40 PM Permalink
so technically no one apart from adivasis and other tribes can claim ownership? vow i did not know that.
Those who propose and insist on these Immigration theories are firstly People So incapable of Surviving in their own Motherlands.
Otherwise, I challenge them if they will first of ALL go to their Ancestoral (10000 generations behind) place of Origin And just Arrest Themselves there ? If they can do it first Let them do it and then speak anything else. Otherwise, They are just concocting stories to justify their own deeds.
BTW, What are the Total Number of Human Genes existent in this world ? How many are clearly Identified ?
Like All Humans have pairs of eyes, ears, nostrils, hands and legs, etc., Genes also will have some common features. So, Identifying some Gene Family is not sufficient. All the 100% Genes existing in anyone Human is essential. Has it ever been done ?
RE:It's their heritage
by Anil Kumar on Feb 19, 2008 09:47 PM Permalink
Good question. Dravidians are natives of southern parts of India. It is quite understandable because of warm weather. As far as northern parts of India are concerned, I have not read anything about any local race that existed there before the Aryans migrated. It is plausible that it was largely inhabited? The real question is, was there ever one country called Bharat (or Bharatvarsh) with one identity? It is extremely unlikely since the south itself was never completely under the control of one ruler.
RE:It's their heritage
by jihu on Feb 19, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
i dont think you can completely eliminate the sound scientific proof that dtr has provided. seems to be valid. the tribes are short, dark and have their own disctinctive style come to think of it.
also i think the sentalese tribe in car nicobar are 5 feet tall and have unique hair and traditions.
RE:It's their heritage
by Gadi Mama on Feb 19, 2008 11:32 PM Permalink
I read about Aryan migration. It is proved scietifically by DNA tests that no such migration happened at all. First humans come to Indian Subcontinent some 50,000 yrs back. Ref Bhimbetka cave pictures in MP & book "Human History using DNA". Aryan migration theory is to make Britishers accepted in India as another migrants. Anybody questioned themselves who will use chariots in hilly areas of Central Asia as we taught in books.
Hurrah for illegal immigration! Tear down the borders and make it a point to only hire illegals because they work better and harder than prima donna americans. Indians are the smartest people in the world. Jai India!
Re: illegal immigration
by Guest on Jul 27, 2009 03:41 AM Permalink
Our prima donna americans built a nation that is the envy of the world while Indians built an overcrowded, impoverished, backward cesspool. India is not the work of the world's smartest people.
