RE:Laughable
by Anil C on Feb 05, 2008 10:35 PM Permalink
it is not the lack of intellegencia. it is their way of seing things. and their arguements. I think it is her position which is of importance, her designation indicating her governments point of view. other than that all the people in the audience knows the problems with nukes falling into wrong hands. commming to her arguement. -> terrorists dont seek nukes. there are different kind of them, one who are very organized and sofisticated, like the ISI and the smaller branches and other branches...with very loose affilication to the bigger one. the smaller ones want to be mobile and can cause less damage but have the bleed capacity. the bigger ones can be a problem they can get the weapons necessary and use it for ranson, threatening etc.
This women is on the payroll of Pakistani government. So it is not surprising that she is advocating the nuclear black marketeer A Q Khan. It is also not surprising that she is going by the logic that if A kills B and C kills D but goes scott free then why only A should be tried in the court of law. This shameless logic is part of Pakistani establishment. For all her patriotism the world still believes that if there is a nuclear attack anywhere in the world perpetrated by a terrorist then people of Pakistan, its government and its army have blood on their hands.
RE:Ignore her she does not know what she is talking about ..or does she ??
by Mubeen Pasha on Feb 05, 2008 10:16 PM Permalink
Pakistan might have already given away few of those nukes to the terrorists and now this is a part of total cover up exercise wherein a educated pakistani comes out to say that there are loose nukes if US and Russia moving around and we are first to raise the alert that if at all there is a terrorist attack with nukes, pakistan should not be responsible for it.
1. "Purely from the operational point of view, in the context of terrorism, the target and victim are separate entities and destruction of the victim is intended to send a message to the target. But with the fallout from the use of nuclear weapons, the separation will be difficult to sustain," Mazari said."
Mazari is claiming, in a very dispassionate manner, that terrorists seek to terrorize civilians but their ultimate targets are non-civilian actors. I disagree and Mazari should know better. Terrorists and militants are remarkably aimless and frustrated. They do not distinguish between civilians and non-civilians and therefore, a weapon of mass destruction would be of great value to them.
2. "Terrorists are on the move and have a mobile strategic doctrine. Nuclear weapons are not like guns or other small conventional arms that can simply be carried around endlessly," she said."
Terrorists may be mobile, and so are nuclear devices. Mazari should look at her country's record and especially the underground network built by A.Q. Khan to procure nuclear devices as evidence. Combine those security holes and weak export-import controls with an general/scientist sympathetic to the terrorists's cause and you have the elements for a mushroom cloud.
"She said if compared to Asian countries it is Russia [Images] and the US who have met with nuclear accidents. She even praised India's record of nuclear safety."
"She said if compared to Asian countries it is Russia [Images] and the US who have met with nuclear accidents. She even praised India's record of nuclear safety."
The subject isn't India. The subject is Pakistan's safety record. The U.S. and Russia have a longer history of nuclear activity and are pioneers of the safer form of nuclear technologies that are used by most modern nuclear powers. The two will by default, have poorer safety records. Moreover, in open societies, such incidents are hard to hide. Such a standard cannot be expected of countries run by military establishments with a muzzled media.
RE:Lest we forget
by ertet etetet on Feb 05, 2008 10:18 PM Permalink
Dear Nair She has raised very valid points.It is US imperialism which is a cause of concern.All over the globe,since long time even before 9/11, US is stationing weapons,what for.
World should be careful about Nefarious designs of Pentagon and fascist Jewish lobby.
Globe shall be in peace if Pentagon is dismantelled and its psychological distorded crowd be made a civilised man.
O.K. Let me put the things in its perspective. There is a great concern among the world nations that the terrorists who are overpowering the military and taken control of many areas in Pakistan and conducting suicide attacks in the hearts of Pakistani military establishment with the support certain section of the military, they will be able to take control of some Pakistani nukes which can be used with devastating effect. To prevent this the world nations are putting pressure on Pakistan to hand over the nukes. To prevent this attempt and to reassure the world that Pakistani nuke is in safe hands, Shireen was sent and she was asked to use divert the attention from the main cause to some other cause like accusing the U.S. We must wait and watch to see the U.S reaction to this. Both have a bad track record in nuclear proliferation. The U.S may retaliate back with asking the custody of Dr.Khan who ran the nuclear proliferation network.
US cannot keep on feeding pakistan for ever and the day US decides not to give any charity to Pakis, this pakis will join the war against US with their nuclear weapons which has been provided by China....pakistan has nothing to loose as it a failed with no economy and no vision no where to go and a state full of terrorists.
Every now and then someone from pakistan comes out and speaks out all the lies so loudly so that everyone starts assuming it to be matter with some base.
RE:Another bunch of lies
by Harishchandra on Feb 05, 2008 10:15 PM Permalink
Mubeen don't try to be holier than pope.What Shreen is saying has justification.Nuclear mishaps have occured in US AND Russia and not in Pakistan.Nuclear weapons require very sophisticated delivery system which no non-state actors can ever achieve.Remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki-Pakistan or India didn't bomb them with atomic bombs.Remember Guantanamo bay prison where 95% innocent people were tortured for no faults of theirs.
RE:Another bunch of lies
by Mubeen Pasha on Feb 05, 2008 10:19 PM Permalink
And you want to say that just because nuclear mishaps have happen in US and Russia, they can be said to be biggest perpetrators of nuclear proliferation......if pakistan can pass on the nuclear bombs then why cant it pass on a delivery system......or why cant pakistan itself use it in the guise of terrorists having used it.
RE:Another bunch of lies
by Rama Ganesh on Feb 05, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
That's a good point, buddy. "why cant pakistan itself use it in the guise of terrorists having used it" is something the fools in our country, who defend the likes of Ms Mazari, should ponder over seriously.
RE:Another bunch of lies
by sam on Feb 05, 2008 10:01 PM Permalink
Mubeen, first of all US is not feeding. I will term it as Pakistan is taking the price of doing service to US. Regards to joining war against US, thats historical fact. Any country which has been ally of US had ultimately become enemy. Because US is shrewed they value you till you are helping them meet there ends.
RE:Another bunch of lies
by Mubeen Pasha on Feb 05, 2008 10:11 PM Permalink
Sam, right now both need each other and pakis need US more than the other way....US knows that they can fight al quaeda or taliban only being in afganistan also but that would delay the whole fight as in that case all of those elements will get refuge in pakistan and the cost of delay will be more than what it is paying pakistan right now (both in terms of money and loss of life)
First time ever in my life time I wish to praise a Pakistani. He thoughts are commendable, what ever relation we have with Pakistan, we must acknowledge many of the issues she has raised are of concern. Also India and Pakistan have been victimised by so called Nuclear Capable Group by denial of technology in name on non proliferation. In fact India needs nuclear technology to use it for energy crisis more than any other nation after China, owing to its huge population and energy needs. But by quoting non proliferation Nuclear Group is keeping the must needed technology out of reach of India.
RE:Good One
by Mubeen Pasha on Feb 05, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
If India is in so much need then why doesnt it sign the NPT which will clear all the ways to nuclear deal or why doesnt it develop its own technology.....you want to beg with a sword in your hand....it doesnt happen my freind.
The matter that is being discussed is something else.
RE:Good One
by sam on Feb 05, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
Mubeen, India is working to develop. Now asking for technology is not begging. India is willing to pay the price, its like why to waste time in reinventing wheel. Its better to pay the price and use the technology.
RE:Good One
by Mubeen Pasha on Feb 05, 2008 10:07 PM Permalink
Well India is not the only nation short of power, there are many. Why did US wants to go ahead with a deal with India only, because it trusts that India is a responsible nuclear country.
I am not advocating for US policies but rather I do not agree to your original post of praising the pakistani view and saying US has made India a "victim" in the guise of non proliferation.
If you understand the situation, under the deal US says that it is ready to give the civilian technology of use but for fuel India needs to negotiate with nuclear suppliers group who control the procude of uranium. Its fair deal I would say.
RE:Good One
by sam on Feb 05, 2008 10:12 PM Permalink
Its not just the trust. US wants to create trust among Indians for itself. Reason, US knows comming are the years of India, if it ignores India it will loose. Again they are not doing charity.
It is a ridiculous statement by shireen.If ever the jehadis lay their hands on a nuke bomb it will be the pakistani bomb and no one else's. This statement makes one wonder....have the pakis already given the bombs to the jehadis and are trying to pre-empt the whole thing by blaming the USA?
RE:Ridiculous.
by Harishchandra on Feb 05, 2008 10:19 PM Permalink
What happens when Modi becomes Prime Minister and have his hands on Indian Nuclear bombs?God save world when that happens-Crazy Hindutva and even crazier their followers.
