More than 1 lack Hindu women rape by muslims in Bangladesh during riots of partition in 1947. It always happens when muslims become majority or when they are in power.
We are Hindus ( irrespective of states, languages and cast ) and For our families we should never support political parties like Congress, NCP ( Sharad Pawar ) Samajwadi party, communists, RJD who have Muslim vote banks.
If you vote for such parties then you only responsible for the loss of our next generations of Hindus. And one more thing. If we really want to fight with Muslim terrorism we can do following things.
We cant go and blast bombs, we cant go and kill them. BUT We can boycott muslims from the society. Never do any business with muslims. Never work for them. Never purchase any thing from muslim shopkeepers. Never offer a job to a muslim candidate. Never allow our kids to mix up with muslims childrens. Never do any communication with them.
I am doing this.
When muslims released this thing that They also need other peoples for their own survival then It will improve situation little bit. I don't know.
We really need to come up as Hindu vote bank. Otherwise… Search in google.com with key words like Bangladesh Hindu genocide.
Manmohan singh and his corrupt traitor team should be impeached like musharaf for this cheating of Indian public by suppresing the real facts of Nuclear deal . Then sonia Italian gandhi will also cancel her beijing trip like musharaf.
RE:Kidar gaye congress ke chamche
by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 12:07 PM Permalink
You want to believe what you want and have not really understood what is happening. Don't you think US folks from opposition party(Berman is a democrat whereas Bush is Republican) would like to delay this deal?
Also, this opposition by some US politicians is clearly proving that whatever MMS had said was correct. There is no link mentioned between NSG waiver and US(Hyde) law! If it was mentioned so clearly, why would Berman be asking for clarifications?
Here is something more Berman had to say: " Meanwhile other countries might rush in to take advantage of a more lenient NSG waiver and do business with India on their own terms," Berman warned.
"This would give other countries an unacceptable head-start in securing commercial nuclear contracts with the Indian Government, thus placing U.S. firms at a competitive disadvantage," Berman wrote to Rice.
So please read with open mind and then decide what is good for India. Don't be blinded by commies propaganda so much that you fail to see things clearly.
RE:Kidar gaye congress ke chamche
by Hebbar R on Aug 08, 2008 01:07 PM Permalink
In the end of his tenure, MMS has ensured that he will leave a permanent mark on Indians on his tenure and that mark is the perpetual slavery for India. That this deal will be under the purview of the Hyde Act is being clearly stated by the US. Yet, if people like you do not want to see this or take congisance, it is certainly not the problem of the US. Contrary to your opinion, it is the US Govt (and not the opposition) that is talking about the Hyde Act.
RE:Kidar gaye congress ke chamche
by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 09:51 PM Permalink
Well, it seems you did not take time to understand anything about US political process before commenting. Like I had said, Bush is a republican and Berman is Democrat and so are in opposite parties. Please research on this and then post your comments. Also if you read more on this, you will understand. Just to help you understand more, Rice is in same party as Bush. US Govt will of-course have to talk about Hyde act and that they will work with that in their dealings with India. Otherwise there will be a lot of political posturing from Democrats(Again, they are opposite party than Bush). Also, NSG is just a gateway to Nuclear countries and 45 of them. Also remember, Hyde act will not apply if India is trading with Russia or France for example. You have slave mentality and some complex, so you probably are so much more fearful than is required.
RE:Kidar gaye congress ke chamche
by narayanan NARAYANAN on Aug 09, 2008 11:33 PM Permalink
Indian govt itself agreed and said that they would go to IAEA and discuss to eliminate the harms of HYDE ACT when the decided to make the draft of safeguard agreement with IAEA.
Hyde act says that US can terminate the agreement citing any reason. This is enough, they can terminate the agreement, If India goes against US intrests.
If Democrats come to the power tomorrow, then What would happen?
RE:Kidar gaye congress ke chamche
by Shiv Kumar Sehgal on Aug 13, 2008 05:26 AM Permalink
Not sure what is the point you are trying to make. What is your main concern?
Hyde act is US domestic policy so they can put it whatever way they want. India will have it's own domestic policy. Russia etc will have their own Acts and not follow Hyde act.
No one know what will happen if Democrats come to power but they are not generally anti-India. Do you know what will happen if Democrats come to power tomorrow?
Hyde will ride on the back of Bharatvarsh 24x7 3365 days.
Bharatvarsh must make its position very clear that it is least concerned with the domestic laws of the US.
An international agreement is a separate and independent treaty exclusively binding the two nations within the ambit of its its clauses ignoring all other paraphernalia of their domestic laws.
It is a misdemeanor on the part of trigger-happy politicians of the US to mingle it with the laws of their own nuclear kitchen.
If they continue coercing Bharatvarsh in the name of Hyde we must tell them clearly that their Hyde is unacceptable to the people of India.
RE:RE:This clearly means Hyde will ride.
by Hebbar R on Aug 08, 2008 01:09 PM Permalink
You are right. Although the Hyde Act is not applicable for a big part of the Indian Parliament, the ruling UPA and more specifically the PM is very much interested in leaving his mark on the political screen of India by ensuring India's perpetual slavery to the US.
RE:This clearly means Hyde will ride.
by chanakya maurya on Aug 08, 2008 04:16 PM Permalink
The perpetual slavery to the US may be acceptable to Sardarji and his gangsters, not to the entire population of Bharatvarsh.
The way UPA survived in the House was most disgusting, horrible and a blot on the dmocracry of Bharatvarsh.
In the process the ruling government has lost all its credibility in the eyes of the Indian population.
If they accept anything at all that might hurt the Indian pride, the next government will do the needful rectification despite displeasure from the US government in general and the Oval in particular.
Most probably it will be Obama occupying the Oval.
And he will understand the Indian viewpoint, rather than brace for an invasion of Bharatvarsh in the manner the Neanderthaal rushed into Iraq with all the brutalities attendant.
US has made it very clear that India has to abide by the Hyde Act. Now let us see what the high profile politicians from India who back the deal say about this. Atleast they should now understand now the suppressive motive of the US, and should take the initiative to develop thorium resources based reactors.
RE:The cat is out of the bag
by palash ghosh on Aug 08, 2008 09:57 AM Permalink
They wont say anything. They will behave as if nothing happened. And trust our media to take the responsiobilty of hiding this fact from public
RE:The cat is out of the bag
by All Right on Aug 08, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
Two reactions.
1. Since the 123 Agreement and IAEA safeguard agreement do not specifically refer to Hyde Act but indirectly refer only to domestic laws of both parties (India & US), India can pass a domestic law to negate the Hyde provisions. Legall, the US is bind to their domestic laws while India to our own. This creates a legal gridlock. Such a law, India tactly will pass after the US Congress ratifies the treaty since it may raise a controversy among US legislators if we did before the US Congress rtifies the agreement
2. Once we get a NSG waiver, it means we can trade with any country we wish to nuclear trade with. The 123 Agreement does not curtail this right. So we can trade with countries like Russia, France who do not have such Hyde Act equivalents. Accordingly it becomes in US commercial interests to let Hyde Act provisions be superceded practically as they do in China's case. Though the Sino-US deal talks about Tibet and human rights, the US makes noises on these issues without endangering the treaty
RE:RE:The cat is out of the bag
by All Right on Aug 08, 2008 09:47 AM Permalink
To Add there are two parts to the Hyde Act.
1. The first part is the Preamble - which contains all the apparent draconian provisions.
2. The second part is the operational part which is the only significant part. What is does is that it enables US to enter into a deal with India indirectly recognizing India as a nuclear weaponized state.
3. The Preamble is just hot air unless reflected in Part II of the Hyde Act. It gives the US Congress a fig leaf cover to give India what its foreign policy and domestic laws do not allow for the US to get into agreement with a nuclear weaponized state
I think the UPA which took the country for a ride first by not discussing the deal in parliament then bull dozed it through by a cash for support deal. What face do they have when the US law makers have clearly said that they cannot by pass any domestic law read Hyde act or the 123 to ensure that India can continue it development of nuclear missile programme without attracting any trade or other restrictions. And the congress wahted to show case this deal during the elections. I think the people who actually support the deal are the ones who have econimic interest hence will overlook the security and soverignity of the nation i,e, business leaders and politician who will make a kill but will also kill the nation in the process.
RE:Clear No deal
by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
In the list of people who oppose this deal, you forgot to mention Pak, China and Iran.
Hyde law is US domestic law and does not govern how India does business with other NSG countries. Assuming India gets NSG waver, If US law makers get stuck on Hyde law while dealing with India, it will be US's loss not India's.
Well, now its out in the open. Clearly our Nuclear Deal with the USA is subject to the Draconian Hyde act in the USA. Anyone who has read it will agree that it places very severe restrictions on our civilian and military nuclear programme, our sovereign foreign policy and the whole lot of associated aspects. There is no way this Govt should go ahead with the deal now. Looks like the BJP and the Left parties were right all along.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by west on Aug 08, 2008 08:50 AM Permalink
Lawmakers in USA think it's not in US interest
Lawmakers in India think it's not in India's interest
What else one needs as proof that the deal has been worked out totally in a WIN-WIN situation for both countries? Some one did a tremendous job in working out this deal.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by Observer on Aug 08, 2008 09:14 AM Permalink
West - Definitely MMS did not do anything to workout this deal. He neither initiated the deal, nor any indication that he negotiated the deal. He had initially dumped the deal like many other NDA govt initiatives, but took it out from the junk yard (either under US pressure or to make his personal point).
RE:RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by ABC on Aug 08, 2008 08:58 AM Permalink
I suppose it depends how you choose to look at the deal. I agree, the deal has many good aspects for both countries. For India it is a recognition of nuclear status, fuel supply to its reactors (though not indefinitely guaranteed), dual use technology, scientific exchanges etc. For the US it brings India into the official Nuclear club, legitimizes our Nuclear prog, most importantly helps their energy companies earn billions and creates a strong partner in the Asia region to counter China. However there are a large number of bad issues for both countries - the large number of bad ones for India as mentioned before and for the US-giving fuel to a non NPT country, undermining the NPT and CTBT which were the cornerstones of America's dominance in the international nuclear market and so on. Which is why there are a few lawmakers in the US against the deal but most are in favour. In India it is split down the middle since the pros and cons are almost equal and in my view the cons just about outweigh the pros. The deal is definitely a WIN situation for the USA, but could be a WIN or LOSE situation for India.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by west on Aug 08, 2008 09:06 AM Permalink
you said negative for USA - "US-giving fuel to a non NPT country, undermining the NPT and CTBT which were the cornerstones of America's dominance in the international nuclear market"
if what you said above is true then there must be more opposition from the Lawmakers in USA and it wouldn't have reached this position. The deal has bi-partisan support means that all the lawmakers agree to do nuclear business with India.
RE:RE:RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by prabhat mohanty on Aug 08, 2008 11:23 AM Permalink
- It has been one way traffic for almost 34 years. Yes, there are hazards. But, for a rewarding future, we need to take risk with the best possible options. We can not stay isolated and assert ourselves.
Today, we are staking our claims in lucrative satellite launch market.
Tomorrow, it will be the civilian nuclear industry around the World.
[ See how French Civilian Industry is regarded with so much of respect !]
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by prabhat mohanty on Aug 08, 2008 11:17 AM Permalink
- For everything in life, there are people in favour or against.
The reasons could be anything.
What's the big deal.
This should not stop us pursuing our own goals and objectives.
RE:RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by govindaa govindaa govindaaa on Aug 08, 2008 08:44 AM Permalink
I have been told by an American friend that it is impossible for American Congress to pursue a nuclear deal with a country unless they amend their domestic laws. This seems to be a commonsense among every American whereas we are making much fuss about it.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by ABC on Aug 08, 2008 08:52 AM Permalink
I agree entirely - we can't expect the American Govt to break their own laws! They hence need a law which will allow them to trade with a non-NPT country like India, hence the Hyde Act. However from India's point of view, the Hyde act severely compromises our positions as I mentioned (I suggest that all those who havent made up their minds on the deal read the Hyde act first, then ull know what Im talking about). Till now all Govt and Congress spokespersons said that the Hyde Act will have no effect on India and is not contingent on us in any way. From todays statement it is clear that the Nuke deal IS contingent on the Hyde Act and hence we are bound by the Hyde act, indirectly atleast. The Hyde act contains scary statements like 'the US govt will do its best to ensure no nuclear device is exploded by India' & 'India will help the USA in containing IRANs nuclear programme' - severely compromising out strategic and foreign policies.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 12:12 PM Permalink
What you are missing is that India does not have to do business with US only after NSG waver. Hyde act is US domestic law and governs how US deals with other countries in Nuclear arena. So NSG waver is only a door which opens up possibilities of Nuclear trade between US and India as well as other countries in NSG and India. So India can deal with France for example without having to work with US and Hyde law.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by All Right on Aug 13, 2008 08:17 AM Permalink
Brilliant.... So my dear friend, tell me why Manmohan was madly after signing the US deal?... :-)
Irrespective of what you say or believe, US was, is, and will continue to be the biggest power on the globe. You deny it, it's your prerogative. Ostriches frequently engage in those tactics.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by Sandeep on Aug 15, 2008 01:12 PM Permalink
Really brilliant :).. Did I imply anywhere US is not biggest power :).. I think you are too over-awed by US to realize what was said..
