Dude we already have a bad name for our selfs in the states ,now i see why , keep ur paan and filty culture where it belongs and worry about the shameful indian losin bunch at the olympics lol
RE:@krishna kumar aiyyap swamy iyer lol aka KRIS
by raj arora on Aug 10, 2008 02:21 PM Permalink
and also enjoy the lankans takin india to the cleaners am so waitin fr the australia tour to india where the mighty aussies will eat em fopr breakfast lunch and dinner lol
Raj Arora may be interested. I am incorporating a company in the USA to make and market "Paan and Gutka" in America. I need a business partner there. A simple-minded fresh NRI would suit me best. 1) I have already paented varieties of Paan - Benarsi, Maithili, Bhojpuri, Kolkotta, "Kashmiri Mufti" and "Kashmiri Mufti ka Bheti" and so on. The last two Paans, if you are Hindu, you can only smell them, ownership will NOT be transferred to you. After smelling, you must return the Paan to the shop. But you must pay the same full price as muslims who can eat the paans. Hindus have to pay Kashmiris for nothing in return. That is in the Indian Constitution. 2) For brand ambassador, I am considering Brinda Karat or Arundhati Roy, being Pinkos already, you know. But Pinkos often ask for more money than capitalists, so I may have to ask Mrs.Madhuri Dixit Ram, who already lives in USA. 3) My advertising slogan will be, "Say No to Viagra, Say YES to Paan" - sex sells in KaliYug. 4) I will offer 50 cents refund for everyone who returns their "Paan juice" in the same plastic container. That way Raj Arora will be happy, see. 5) I will use this Paan Juice in a special "anti-theft" device I have invented. Because car thefts are high in the USA, my device will squirt Paan Juice on any simple-minded thief who tries to start the car without punching a code into my new device. As Raj Arora will confirm, Paan Juice will not wash off easily. We can catch the thief easily.
RE:A New NRI Company to Market
by Kris iyer on Aug 10, 2008 08:21 AM Permalink
New NRI MNC for Paan and Gutka.... Owner Kris iyer...... There is more to Paan in Indian culture than some simple-minded people realise. Paan was used by ancient Hindus as an "aphrodisiac". I think even fresh NRIs know what this term means. Vatsyayana - some NRIs may not know who this person was - the author of Kama Sutra mentions very nice formulae for making "special" Paans. Since I read a bit of Sanskrit, I have the secret recipes. Some foreign firms making viagra have been trying to steal these secret recipes from me. That is why these days, I dress like Raj Arora and go about cursing every Indian chewing paan. That way, the spies will think, I am totally against Paan. Vatsyayana thinks - I agree with him - Indian women look stunningly beautiful after chewing Paan. Their eyes and limbs glow, they smile in a very inviting glitz, all very irresistible even to Sanyasis. When Menaka was trying to disturb Viswamitra's Tapas, she had chewed Paan before approaching him. That is in the Purana I am writing now. Paan slows down metabolism and the heart-rate, so strong emotions like anger are mitigated. If Hitler had chewed Paan, he would have been a peace-loving person. Hindus and Muslims who chew Paan together never fight with each other. They remain life-long friends. I know it by experience and observation. In fact, I told my friend Mush over the phone to take Paan Suphari with Zirdari and Nawaz (also my friends), then all this impeachment talk would be forgotten.
RE:A New NRI Company to Market
by Kris iyer on Aug 10, 2008 10:27 AM Permalink
New NRI Multi-national to make and market Paan... Owner Kris iyer
See, such a small matter as Paan, Indian Culture has so much to say about it. I have 100 pages of material on it, to make a small book.
1) I have linked Paan and only Indian women. Pak., readers may be wondering why I have not mentioned Pak., women. Khushwant Singh and I tried different Paans on our respective Pak. girl friends. No, it did not make any difference in them. They still looked the same lumpy, fearsome, heavy women with a threatening stare. Sorry to all my Pak. friends, who write under names as Sharma, Arora, Sastry. May be something to do with Islam, their women are not sexy. KK Sahadevan says that is why Islam advises full veil for all their women. Also explains one of the reasons for the expansion of Islam, I guess. In fact, when I was in Pak., at times, I could not tell, just looking at the faces, any difference between their men and women. Raja of Swat explained that is another reason for the full veil. It is easier to differentiate, see. You see a figure in a veil, that will be a woman (But occasionally it could be a man also, if you see the figure near Lal Masjid).
Khushwant and I tried Paan on our Gori girl friends. The Italians and the Irish came out best. The trouble was, Khushwant and I had to run because after chewing our Paan these Goris were after us, real bad, you know.
Such are the mysteries of Indian Culture. You name any topic I can tell you the Indian Culture in it.
RE:A New NRI Company to Market
by raj arora on Aug 10, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
lol so u think im paki ah lol no dude u got it wrong im and ex indian who says it as it is ,pak is a worse pog sty than india and tats for sure
RE:A New NRI Company to Market
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 10, 2008 08:18 PM Permalink
You do not merely say it as it is, Mr. arora, you also take the liberty of forecasting how it always will be.
You say you are an ex-Indian. Have you changed your ethnic origin when you got the green card? Are you now Italian or Irish? The point, Mr. arora, is that you can give up your citizenship, but the shameful fact that this country called India was unfortunate enough to bring you forth and hold you back as long as it did cannot be erased.
All the scholarly quote that was posted earlier was not a thousand years ago, it was less than 100 years ago. If you accept Einstein's theories, why not accept his intellect on India too? Why is there is a selective acceptance? And for brothers who hate India, what have you done to India to make it better? When you have not done anything, who gives you the right to complain? Can people take a pledge that henceforth he will be a good citizen, doing the right things, love and respect India and be proud? Where is your pride? I have American friends who are proud of their country, and it shows in their action. It makes me laugh, when you say India is filthy. Who is this India? Is it a separate entity? No, its the land and the people which make up India, and when you say its filthy, then you are filthy? It is one thing whining about, and it is another to put your head down and do something about it. Now, thats a man. Jai Hind!
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 08:16 AM Permalink
oh vijay im so sorry i hurt ur feelings ,i was wrong india is a very clean country , people dont spit on the roads ,break signals ,honk ,people r mannered follow the law every where ,wait for pedestrians to cross the road ,dont pee on the roads ,the poor and very happpy and well looked after and americans and the brits and the aussies are all lining outside the indian embassies for indian immigration , and oh ya dont forget indian athletes in beijing are gonna take home 200 gold medals and yes india is no 1 in cricket too they have toppled australia off the no 1 spot hahahha ,dude go check sri lanka trashin india
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Kris iyer on Aug 09, 2008 09:08 AM Permalink
Vijay, Excellent post. Some NRIs do LITTLE for India. Most do help if "pushed". NRIs think they are all completely safe wherever they are. Kenyan Indians came running to India when Idi Amin Dada turned violent. Whenever Indians get stranded abroad they expect Air India to get them back to India. Some of these people do not even remit monies through proper channel. They use Havala. During WWII when Japs occupied Malaya, Indians came back to India. NRIs must realise that their prosepcts abroad depend upon India's image as a strong power. No country in the world offers such privileges to their expatriates as India does: Tax Free deposit accounts, PIO Certificates to buy properties in India, easy investment terms and so on. LOTS OF PROBLEMS IN INDIA. We are all frustrated at times. But a large population in a "free-wheeling" democracy, corrupt politicians and officials, there are bound to be issues. But THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. It will take time. Courage is needed to face issues. CONDEMNATION is easy. Many will volunteer for that. But get down to details of each issue and work your way gradually. Cultures do not remain unchanged. But every change is better if done in a controlled manner. Wild fluctuations in tastes and behaviour is NOT positive for any culture. Every indian can take some aspects of traditional culture and enjoy knowing it and practising it. Music is the most common feature. Dance, yoga, religious ideas of mental peace, good diet, herbs.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 10:02 AM Permalink
mr krishna kumar iyer ,gun men in the usa ah u sayin no killings happen in india? hear of the arushi murder ,the neeraj grover case ,jesica lal the list is endless ,kilings are everywhere in the world ,who we foolin tat india is rich in culture ,if spittkn pan is wat u call culture i pity u
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Kris iyer on Aug 09, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
Raj Arora, You are entitled to your opinions. We are not denying facts. I wish to make two new points. 1) You say you do not "hate" India. Hard to believe that. Your alienation is complete, as shown by your logic. Random murders for crazy motives as in Columbine are on a separate basis. You cannot see the positives in India and cannot see the negatives in the USA. So be it. I hope you would have only pleasant experiences in your adopted culture. 2) India will not miss one "nano second of a beat" if you, me or anyone else, even Lakshmi Nivas Mittal says, "I will never visit India, again". India is a galaxy that won't miss one or two stars, or even an entire group of stars disappearing. There are enough Aroras in India, in the army, many high-ranking officers, Vyaparis, doctors, denstists and Babus. We are happy with their contributions. Some Aroras going elsewhere is okay. But please do not go out of your way to offend those of us who still want to do something for India.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 09, 2008 12:23 PM Permalink
To Raj Arora: To write something in a book one has to open it first. Samething applies for one's mind. Since your mind is totally closed, nobody can convince you. Good luck.
To everybody else: All of us have spent too much time trying to convice him all in futility. One positive thing in all this is that we have learnd each other's views through dialogue with him.
RE:RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 10, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
As Vijay said, One needs to clean his thoughts first, then children's, then areas, then India's.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 09, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
India is indeed a land of culture and manners, unless you define only western culture as culture and western manners as manners.
I take pleasure in following those of your ilk, since you seem to take such pleasure in condemning everything that is Indian and ridiculing your own people.
Introspect yourself, if all you can see in India is filth and no culture.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 10, 2008 10:43 AM Permalink
Raj: I tried to stay away from writing to you but I could not. You present a good case for analysis, "Why you have such an inferiority compex and exposing it in a manner as if you have a superiority complex.
I wrote a article in a US-Indian News Paper in 1976 on some of the habits you are talking about. The difference is that you comments come from hatred for your own culture whereas mine were introspection and advice for improvement for people of my own brought-up. Remove your hatred and you will love yourself.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 10, 2008 08:14 AM Permalink
I see, Mr. arora that you have not taken the time for introspection and reflection.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
manners and culture ah ,try crossin the road and lemme see how any peope let u do so without hornin or cussin u out , dream on dude india is a joke
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 10, 2008 04:53 PM Permalink
You should be able to figure out my age from all the posts I have made in this forum. Furthermore, read my 32nd post "True PIO" it will explain what I observed.
Your comments show your age, i,e. a very childish 30 year old (frog) who has just stepped out of a well and is awed by all the glitz around him and feels that he has lost out on all the years he did not step out. Tarzon who has just reached city, or a person who lived in jail throughout his life and has just realized what freedom is upon release.
You do not see that you reached here through the same gates you are calling filth. You are what your roots are and if you like what you are today, you must appreciate the contributions of your parents, teachers, friends & surroundings (culture), whatever they are/were.
This is the ereason I said your comments indicate you do not like what you are and thus appear to have an INFERIORITY COMPLEX when you see white Americans around you who are much better than you.
I wrote about the behaviour of Indians arriving in USA not Indians living in India.
You talk about peeing on the street. With all the pressing problems in India and its poor, do you feel that government should first concentrate in building urinals & spittoon. It sounds like that beauty queen that was ridiculed during Miss World when she said that India need Stadiums first. I know you appreciate the Rest Stops on highways, that is future India.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
yes people have been told to ignore me but yet i see u guys followin me like parasites any ways as a fellow indian am sorry if wat iv said is hurt u but as i said truth hurts and retrorspect wat i said rather than believin india is a land of culture and manners, open ur eyes to the filtn around u
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 10, 2008 12:56 PM Permalink
dude u worte somethin in 1976 ,how old are u? u shud be lookin after ur grand kids rather than wastin ur time bloggin over a losin battle ,and more ever u wrote tat in ,76 many indians still are as filthy as ever looks like ur artice got trashed ,and as i said before india will never change
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by raj arora on Aug 10, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
inferiority comples lol the very fact u replyin with such big lectures and with my words eatin u up shows who is the one with the complex and yes i am only stoppin now becauise of respect for ur age and also yes u agree the govt is all messed up so there is another reaon u shud know why people flee india to live abroad
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by AK on Aug 10, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
Thankyou for showing respect for my age. It shows that you still have some Indian Culturte left in you. I do not disagree with your observations. As I said in my earlier post:
"The difference is that your comments come from hatred for your own culture" whereas mine are for improvement with constructive criticism. Be POSITIVE and Offer advice and you can make a difference.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 10, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
Mr. AK,
Another difference between you and the "superior" Mr. arora, who has proved his superiority by emigrating out of filthy India to utopian US, is that Mr. arora has this charming habit of saying that India will always remain filthy. As I pointed out earlier, India has come a long way since independence, but Mr. arora wants it to be like US right here, right now.
Your words do not eat anyone up Mr. arora. Don't give yourself unnecessary airs, "superior" though in your own eyes you might have become. Countering your visceral hatred does not mean your words cause anyone any anguish beyond wondering at the level of alienation that motivates you.
Keep blasting India in every forum you can. Ridicule it in front of your white friends. That will help you score some brownie points and help you feel more proud as someone who has not only disowned his roots but come to hate them with a passion.
RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 11:14 AM Permalink
Raj bhai, I can't but help feel sorry for the fact that you fail to understand the spirit of the arguement. No culture in the world is perfect and Indian culture is no exception, but you cannot deny the fact the country we have been born into is an ancient, one of the earliest and intellectually strongest all we asked was to appreciate that fact. My earlier posting regarding the quotes of eminent thinkers, was precisely for that. But you countered it saying what use is the past. Talking of Olympics, did you watch the ceremony yesterday? In the modern and collosal Bird's nest stadium, Chinese performers exhibited their culture in various ways. Did you enjoy that beauty, traditional and cultural ideas in the midst of the most modern stadium! Now, thats what we want for India. We have had great thinkers, we have had great ideas coming out of our minds, appreciate it and then with that pride continue your march forward. Where there is no love and pride, there can never be a work of perfection! Jai Hind!
RE:RE:For people who say India's past is useless
by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 11:16 AM Permalink
And...your joy, love and pride multiplies when you do that for your country and the satisfaction is immense. :-) Jai Hind!
True, young people are exposed to many more strains and stratas of influcences these days. TV can bring some aspects of the USA, UK, Japan and China into your lounge. True, living in other countries alters your perceptions of cultures in general. But it should NOT turn you against your own culture. Never disown your parents. Argue with them, if you must, but do not disown them. Indian culture is our parent.
INDIANS as people of an old culture and religion, can be, should be supported by their own roots - no matter where they live. Surely, we cannot be like straws tossing about in the changing winds. By all means learn to observe and appreciate other cultures but maintain your value system and retain your closenes to Indian culture. I am relieved to read that Pallavi Iyer is Hindu by culture. Western "cultures" have become "rootless". Their young people are into a culture of cannabis and alcohol. Dear Raj Arora, Some aspects of India you have mentioned are NOT the whole of Indian culture. Within a generation these can change. In the West people use paper to clean themselves after using the toilet. Many Indians find this revolting. But we do not condemn Western culture because of some aspects we do not like. See Raj, Indian culture is like a huge tree. The branches may extend several metres away but the root must hold firm. I do not see value in all this "jugalbandhi" people who claim they are quarter of this, quarter of that, one-eigth of this DNA and so on.
RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by Kris iyer on Aug 08, 2008 04:39 PM Permalink
Bhel Puri tastes good with all the different ingredients. But it cannot be the main meal. You still need good old subzi, prata and dhahi. So, the "fusion" people can be interesting up to a point. But they cannot taken seriously to learn any deep culture from. It is in "choppy waters" that a ship needs strong moorings. In a globalised world, Indians must retain an appreciation of the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, the Upanishads, the music and dance schools of India, the great Yoga and Pranayam practices of India. Raj, eating Paan worries you when there are so many more important positive things in Indian culture?
Every NRI should ask: "What is my unique and new contribution to this country I am living in? Speaking with an American accent, well, millions of people in USA do that. Showing my mastery of American history? Okay, but that is still not an unique contribution. Telling the USA and the world about Vedic Maths? YES, that is unusual and new. Every NRI can become a brown copy of an American or British person. Okay, up to a point. But if the NRE wishes to be more than average, he or she needs to dig into Indian culture. See, appreciation of Jewish culture has enabled jews to re-create their culture in Israel after a gap of 1700 years. Do NOT ignore India's cultural history of 9,000 years. Proven. Some "rigs" of the Veda were composed around 6,500 before christian era. Dig into India's antiquity, Sanskrit literature. Gems of the purest ray serene hide there.
RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by raj arora on Aug 08, 2008 09:37 PM Permalink
lol reverse pscychology ah ,wont work my friend lol ,open ur eyes how ever much u wanna belive wat im sayin is curse and abuse ,deep within u know tats trhe real truth which will never change ,i hope idnians can learn some manners
RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 09, 2008 12:43 PM Permalink
It is not something I want to believe - what you are saying IS curse and abuse. To say that many Indians spit on the roads is fact, to say that India will always be filthy is indeed curse and abuse, born of your own shame at being an Indian, when you went abroad.
I stand by my statement - I believe that someday you will clean your own mind of the prejudice and bigotry it is now exhibiting.
RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by R R on Aug 08, 2008 09:53 PM Permalink
How is telling people about vedic maths unusual and new? Someone has obviously done it before. What's wrong in showing mastery in American history? Just because someone has done it before doesn't mean that you can't try to do it better. Isn't that the basis for innovation?
Who are you to say that Indian culture helps a person anyway? It may work for you but may not work for someone else. It's up to each person to decide what is best for him/her. It makes more sense to pick the best parts of every culture. Darwin.. survival of the fittest, evolutionary theory. Someone has found a better way to do something, you learn from it and evolve to survive.
Also, Indian culture has changed immensely over time.. Vedic teachings is a part of our history and isn't so much a part of our current culture anymore. Another obvious example is our sexual morality. Our current morality is based on the British morality when they colonized India. Before that Indians' were very open about sex (Kamasutra came from? Sexual statues on our temples?). Even the clothes were more scandalous then. It distracted the British soldiers, hence they enforced a dress code.
And what specifically is Indian culture? As far as I know, India only became one country under British rule, until then we were just various regions fighting against each other (hmm... I guess thats one thing that really hasn't changed much). If you're from Tamil Nadu, you follow one culture, Kerala another.. Punjabi, Bengali, Assamese, Gujrat
RE:RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by R R on Aug 08, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
If you're from Tamil Nadu, you follow one culture, Kerala another.. Punjabi, Bengali, Assamese, Gujrati... Each state has it's own traditions, languages... why should we follow yours. Culture is determined by the current prevailing behaviour, not 9000 years ago. Open your eyes and see what Indian culture is today.
RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 02:34 AM Permalink
So what do you mean to say? That there is no Indian culture? Don't deny something just because you are ignorant. Make an effort to find out. Its just stupidity to reject something just because you are ignorant. So what existed before the America of today before 300 years? Just because you people do not believe in an India culture doesn't mean it never existed. And may I ask what efforts you made to understand it, before saying it never existed? Yes, there are different cultures in India, but there is a common thread to it. We may speak different languages, but the spirit of existence is the same. And Raj, show some humility. And what is the discipline you are talking about, showing your underwear with your pants worn down when walking on the streets, is that your idea of discipline? What is the family value system in America? Is that the discipline you want to follow? How about taking to drugs when you are a child? Is this the discipline you want to follow? And stop the stupidity of comparing two cultures. Cultures and practices are born out of ones own response and interaction with his own environment. There is nothing wrong in sticking to your core values, identify with it, be proud of it and give back something. Any more abuses will just show expose your lack of intellectual depth and down right ignorance. Thanks Jai hind!
Re: Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by R R on Oct 08, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
You missed the point of my post... The point has nothing to do with whether Indian culture exists.. The point was that there isn't just one 'Indian culture' and that your version isn't better than mine. Like you mentioned.. there is no way to compare cultures. We both are saying the same thing.
My family may believe that eating meat is ok, someone else may believe you should be vegetarian. One may believe that enlightment can only be found by accepting the word of God, Someone else might believe that you should find your own way to enlightment.
By the way.. showing your underwear isn't part of the general American culture... just because a few ppl do it. Drugs as well... if that's your case, then people in India have been doing drugs long before America existed. There is a family value system in America... strong family value system.. do some research on that.
RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 02:44 AM Permalink
And Raj....nobody expects you to get convinced of Indian culture here, i guess that's just impossible. But show some humility and restraint when calling people filty in a public forum. Or is it too much to ask of your disciplined "American" brain? Jai hind
RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by Kris iyer on Aug 09, 2008 08:32 AM Permalink
RR, 1) Progressive people emphasise common ground. If focus is only on DIFFERENCES, then even between brother and brother and sisters and parents of the SAME FAMILY, there are differences. Why go for Tamilian, Gujarathi etcetera. Within one family we can quarrel. Abroad, Indians come together to celebrate Diwali, Independence Day - no Tamil, Gujarathi etcetera. I appreciate Bengali culture, although I am not Bengali. Rabindra Songeeth I love, lose myself in it. That is because I see authentic Indian vibs in it. 2) Culture has roots in history. The efforts of our ancestors come into it, their ideas on health, marriage, wealth and behaviour the works they penned and even how they grew their crops. 3) Indian culture helps many NRIs in Houston. Under Swami Ramdev Maharaj's guidance, they have collected 20 Million US dollars to establish a PATANJALI YOG CENTRE. The NRIs in Vancouver are also doing the same. Indian culture works not just for me. Two Crores of people have been CURED of serious diseases through Pranayam. 4) The desire to get educated to high level is part of Indian culture. 5) Contribute to US culture in ways you are good at.
Raj Arora, 1) I have not said that Indians have impeccable manner always. Are you sure that in the USA you get it right? Why are so many instances of gunmen, often school boys, shooting dead innocent people at School, at restaurants and offices. I would rather put up with a little "Paan Juice" in the corner of my office!!
Re: RE:Moorings Are Needed in Choppy Waters
by R R on Oct 08, 2008 12:27 PM Permalink
I said (in reference to an earlier post), what may work for you may not necessarily work for others. It works for you.. great. Don't force it on others or belittle someone elses choice.
Mr Rishi you seem to suffer from a self hate issues, and desire to be phoren. I have lived in seven continents, dated women from almost all cultures but I always call myself Vedic. Since those are proud roots.
As long as you don't accept your skin color you will be confused, and even confuse others too.
You seem to have a lot of hatred for the country of your birth. Perhaps you wish that you were born as a white man in a country of "enlightened whites" ?
Did you parents never eat paan, or eat with their hands? Do you think that they followed a trash culture with nothing good in it?
India is no paradise on earth, but do you think the US, or whichever other great country you are in is?
And do you think ridiculing your own people and culture is a good way of "improving" it to meet your high standards?
But I think you do not care for improvement anyway - you seem to get a kick out of abusing Indians. To each his own.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by raj arora on Aug 08, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
mate no my folks never ate paan and no i donmt hate india at all ,in fact i always thought it was the best place to live until i went abroad and yes it is a beautiful country no doubt but its shameful the way indians treat it and then go on to say how proud they are of india at least i tell it as it is
RE:Mr. raj arora
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 08, 2008 11:12 AM Permalink
Did your folks eat with their hands? Your grandparents, perhaps? Just asking since you seem to regard it as backward. I was reading somewhere that if you wash your hands properly before eating, it is more hygienic that eating with spoons and forks.
Of course India has its problems, and the west has a lot of shine, and in some respects are truly advanced. Of course Indians should try to adopt the best that is in them. But this can be done without being ashamed of ourselves, or ridiculing our own culture and people.
A country is made by the people - without people, it is just land. So if you think India is beautiful, there must be some good at least in the people here?
I can understand your anger at the corrupt and the habitual law-breakers, and those who regard public property as their personal toilets and spittons, and share it. But it is we who have to change it from within. What good is it to go abroad and turn back and criticise?
Tell it like it is, but give some contructive suggestions, and do your bit to improve the lot of your people.
RE:RE:Mr. raj arora
by arun on Aug 08, 2008 11:29 AM Permalink
For Raj Arora and his friends here
Are u guys really born in India... or in some enemy state of India.... i guess so. See guys, critically analyzing one's country is one thing and insulting one's country or hating its people for a mere innocent behavior is another thing. May be you guys don't do those six of the so called criminal things as raj arora mentioned. Even i don't. But i am sure ur parents or grand parents would have done it at some point of their life and it could be same with my grands. But why we are not doing it ? coz of education. No one can deny that India is giving more n more education to its people. We had 14% literacy during Independence and now its 65%. Slowly but surely we are making progress. Say 200 years back had India colonized some other wealthy countries, looted its innocent people and invested in its own infrastructure and education and gave stomach full to its citizens, today India would have been a developed country. India didn't do it, in-fact we are the victim of colonization. We were looted by the countries, where you are hiding today and insulting the very India. Now you may ask why we didn't colonize? But thats like you are asking your dad ' why didn't you loot some bank , kill someone and make some big money dad? i could have lived a wealthy life today? '. Guys do me a favor, please don't come back to India. We are may poor but we are happy. Now let me go and teach my class, hopefully they won't turn out to be one of you.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by AK on Aug 08, 2008 12:24 PM Permalink
Hats off to both Devavrata and Arun. To add further:
Indian policies since Independence have been to first take care of the basic needs of its poor while taxing the rich on luxaries, by Indian standards (e.g. electricity, telephone, Radio, petrol etc.). Policies did not worry about if they were creating mega conglomerates at the expense of upper middle business class.
Stress was on Agriculture (food) & education (the only method of class shifting).
India also follwed a policy of non-alignment against the wishes of the west.
It also had to protect its borders from Palistan, Bangladesh & China.
Through all this baggage, India has come a long way by holding its head high. Today it is considered as one of the responsible (non) nuclear state and one of three fastest world economies.
I Think India can be proud of its achievements of 60 years. It has its problems and they will be solved as well.
It is diverse in culture, languages but still remains one country. It has states as big as countries in Europe who are all different countries eventhough they have mostly one religion.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by raj arora on Aug 08, 2008 06:31 PM Permalink
devatara yes thank u brazil is still a 3rd world like india ,well I cant do anythin about filthy india if I was in india or if I am sittin in the states,enjoy the pollution and filth
RE:RE:Mr. raj arora
by Vijay on Aug 09, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
Dev,
Raj's replies do not warrant any response. Just smile and pass at an ignorant person....what good does it help to respond to him. Best way is to ignore him. Jai hind!!
Haters must be confronted, and the sources of their hate understood. Only then can we respond appropriately.
Some people are ashamed of their brown skin and desperately want a white one. Since that is not currently possible, they content themselves with heaping scorn and abuse on their own people.
These people suffer from the "Western=modern=good and Indian=outdated=bad" syndrome. We cannot simply smile and allow their tirades to pass. We must try and help them overcome the biases in their worldview. We must also not shy away from accepting any valid points they offer.
While mr.arora clearly enjoys his rants, given from a "superior" position he has supposedly attained, we must try to see the situation through an unbiased eye and decide on the future course of action. Contrary to Mr.arora, I believe that we can make an India that the world envies.
As a simple example, when the "great, modern west" had ruled us for 100 years, the literacy rate was 11%. Within 60 years, and in the midst of a huge population explosion, that rate is now around 65%. In 1947, Mr. arora would have said that India will always remain a country of illiterates, but he would have had to eat his words today. We need to work towards ensuring that he has to eat his words in future.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by Kris iyer on Aug 09, 2008 04:51 PM Permalink
Devavrata Satya, This is a good post summing up important points. 1) Indians who reach the West for the first time, tend to get overwhelmed by a host of emotions, including some of the "colour complexes" you mention. As they put in more and more years of stay abroad, they get a better balanced views of different countries and India. 2) The meaning of COURAGE to me is to face "dis-order", "indiscipline" and "disruptions" such as we encounter in India - face them with sound judgment and common sense. We should not give up. We should not do anything rash either. We need to work with people and institutions PATIENTLY. It is amazing how much can change when a handful of activists get together. We can make a difference for a better India. It is a culture that accepts change for the better. In democratic societies change happens slowly. When populations were small, change happened almost overnight, through force or the orders of a Rajah. For example, in the 15 century, Malay Hindu people converted to Islam, because their Rajah, Parameswara II, converted to Islam after entering into some deals with Gujarathi Muslim merchants. When the Raja's order went round the country, people obyed that order.
Those days are gone. The only option is to work with people in a democratic way. Taliban methods will not work - NOT in India. Patience is required.
RE:Mr. raj arora
by Vijay on Aug 10, 2008 04:51 AM Permalink
To me, any change that happens within and at a grass root level is more sustainable and this requires a lot of patience and a whole generation prepared to make sacrifices. This has to be a movement and the youth of India have a great part to play in this. The young minds need to be educated, shown the way, filled with pride and only then India will see changes. Young minds rising above caste, religion and uniting with a sense of purpose. The rest don't matter. Jai Hind
RE:RE:RE:Mr. raj arora
by raj arora on Aug 09, 2008 01:16 AM Permalink
wow here comes another paan eater vijay lol filthy turd must be the same guy i saw yest at o hare diggin his nose and spittin paan eww
Yes its true that NRI means NOT REQUIRED INDIANS, and am one among that , it not bcos we dont have identity, its for the reason that we dnt want to live in a corrupt system, where for everythng we have 2 shell out our hard earned money apart from paying the taxes to the government, so instead of suffering better be a not reqd indian,
RE:NOT REQUIRED INDIANS
by sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 11:23 AM Permalink
You do't deserve to use 'INDIAN' word with you. Please do't use it in anyway. The family and emotional values, can't be obtained from any other country. But people like you only want money, your life must be 'LIFE FOR MONEY'.
RE:NRI?
by One on Aug 08, 2008 09:27 AM Permalink
Seems your identity is based to your city you lived for 50 years, how jealous you are Shiva. I pity you... not understanding Globalization ! Good Luck
i would never return to tat country where 1 Poeple deive like animals with no respect for pedectrians ,signals 2 Break queues like its their birth righ 3 Spit paan without blinking 4 Pee any where on the streets in full view 5 Are happy about ambanis buyin and airbus while millions dont have a square meal 6 Manners dont exist in kost oarts of tat country ,please and thank u is obselete
RE:even in a million years
by shweta pai on Aug 08, 2008 08:45 AM Permalink
Dear Indian hater,
well your 6 of the miss spelt sentences may be true of India...But say you were born in some war torn, with no respect for education or for democracy, you wouldn't have been able to say this. Atleast be grateful to your country for giving this opportunity to grow as free child and educate yourself. I won't be surprised if people like you putting ur own mother out of the house coz she looks ugly now....
RE:RE:even in a million years
by kaushlendra tripathi on Aug 08, 2008 08:58 AM Permalink
thanks shweta for giving him a nice reason. I hope he will not write again like this about our country.
RE:even in a million years
by arun on Aug 08, 2008 09:37 AM Permalink
Ranaji,
Its rather you who is trying to act smart here... May be its hard for your smart brain to understand that raj arora is speaking about India... but not for any one else. Well we did admit to his points... is it evil... no. But its not hard to understand that his intentions are evil...
RE:even in a million years
by Vijay on Aug 08, 2008 08:54 AM Permalink
well said shweta! but, who can be blamed if one is ignorant! in time people will realize the greatness of the land called India, even if i don't see it, i will think that my great grand kids will see it!! jai hind!
RE:even in a million years
by mango sanns on Aug 08, 2008 09:59 AM Permalink
this is what we call liberty...can u find such liberties there aboard where hose jobs goras insults indians for nothing....
RE:even in a million years
by raj arora on Aug 08, 2008 10:06 AM Permalink
why do goras insult indians cause our brethren come here ,flee india and bring their trash culture with em ,eatin with hands ,spittin makin noises with their mouths ,eatin paan,wat do u want them to do say welcome ah
RE:even in a million years
by arun on Aug 08, 2008 11:16 AM Permalink
wow... Raj, Kaju, One, Rana....
Are u guys really born in India... or in some enemy state of India.... i guess so. See guys, critically analyzing one's country is one thing and insulting one's country or hating its people for a mere innocent behavior is another thing. May be you guys don't do those six of the so called criminal things as raj arora mentioned. Even i don't. But i am sure ur parents or grand parents would have done it at some point of their life and it could be same with my grands. But why we are not doing it ? coz of education. No one can deny that India is giving more n more education to its people. We had 14% literacy during Independence and now its 65%. Slowly but surely we are making progress. Say 200 years back had India colonized some other wealthy countries, looted its innocent people and invested in its own infrastructure and education and gave stomach full to its citizens, today India would have been a developed country. India didn't do it, in-fact we are the victim of colonization. We were looted by the countries, where you are hiding today and insulting the very India. Now you may ask why we didn't colonize? But thats like you are asking your dad ' why didn't you loot some bank , kill someone and make some big money dad? i could have lived a wealthy life today? '. Guys do me a favor, please don't come back to India. We are may poor but we are happy. Now let me go and teach my class, hopefully they won't turn out to be one of you.
RE:even in a million years
by Sushil Daga on Aug 08, 2008 09:46 AM Permalink
EVEN THOUGH I AM NRI I STILL LOVE INDIA - ITS MY IDENTITY WEREVER I GO WHATEVER I DO I LL BE IDENTIFIED AS AN INDIAN ONLY - MY FAMILY LIVES THERE - MY BEST FRIEND IN THE WORLD LIVES THERE - I LOVE MOST OF TRADITIONS! - I LOVE MY CULTURE!! - I LOVE THE WAY FAMILIES ARE CLOSE!! - THE BEAUTY OF THE LAND - I LOVE THE MUSIC, DANCING, MOVIES AND FOOD - I LOVE THE WAY THEY TALK - I THINK INDIAN PEOPLE ARE VERY BEAUTIFUL - I LOVE HERITAGE IN INDIA - OUR HISTORY HAD PLANNED CITIES 1000YRS OF BEFORE UK WAS INHABITANT BY HUMANS. - IT IS ROOT OF MOST PRECIOUS INVENTIONS IN THE WORLD - OUR VEDAS HAS ALL THE THINGS THAT WE SEE VISUAL TODAY - THERE ARE LANDS WHICH YOU VISIT AS A TOURIST - THERE ARE LANDS WHICH YOU VISIT AS A PILGRIM - IT IS MY BIRTH PLACE - IT IS THE PLACE WHICH HAS GIVEN ME MY CULTURE AND WHAT I AM TODAY - AND LOT MORE REASONS NOT WORTH LISTING FOR PEOPLE LIKE RAJ ARORA
RE:even in a million years
by Desi on Aug 08, 2008 09:58 AM Permalink
I'm a proud desi.. NRI.. you can say not require Indian or Non reliable blah blah but that is up to you.. Raj used hard word to express... but a question why he is reading Rediff .. if he ha sthat sort of sentimants..
RE:even in a million years
by Kaju on Aug 08, 2008 10:15 AM Permalink
because this rediff international(India Abroad) forum Idiot! You go to local websites and post your comments there
RE:even in a million years
by raj arora on Aug 08, 2008 10:17 AM Permalink
well i wanan see how my fellow desis are doin livin in some false belief that india is progresin ,i can see a lot of disillusions still lol
RE:even in a million years
by Vijay on Aug 08, 2008 08:43 AM Permalink
AK, raj brother's comments do not warrant any response. Let him continue complaining about India, let us continue our job of doing our little to the country! trust me, you will be satisfied when you look back! :-)
RE:even in a million years
by One on Aug 08, 2008 09:29 AM Permalink
RAJ HAS SAID WHAT HE WANTED TO AND RIGHTLY-- YOU CAN KEEP BARKING AS YOU MAY WANT TO :)
RE:even in a million years
by karthik s on Aug 08, 2008 11:10 AM Permalink
No matter where we go in india, we are only recognised by the state which we hail from, the language we speak and our religion. India is still a divided country, people accomodate each other, they do not live with each other.
