RE:India can expect more trouble
by sibby mathews on Apr 15, 2008 11:12 PM Permalink
And what about the common Nepalis who voted in a Maoist government ?? Perhaps they are more stupid in your opinion than our own 'enlightened' people from Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Orissa, Bihar, M.P, Rajasthan, U.P etc. ???
RE:India can expect more trouble
by PKN on Apr 16, 2008 11:20 AM Permalink
Sibby Mathews , when you mentioned so many enlightened people how come you missed your home state of 'Kerela' ? Maybe like Swami Vivekandanda you beleive that it is a 'mad house ' Before you spit venom on Jharkand , Chattisgarh etc find out what your state is -100% literate and 200% good for nothing ! When you do that you will lose the urge to spit on Biharis , Rajastanis etc.
RE:India can expect more trouble
by Cricket s on Apr 15, 2008 11:14 PM Permalink
Read some history to understand what Red Undies did in various parts of the world. They have killed more people in the last 100 years than all the religious wars put together in 100 years.
RE:India can expect more trouble
by sibby mathews on Apr 15, 2008 11:58 PM Permalink
You might be referring to the violence that accompanied the Marxist dogmas of the 20th century such as Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism.
Now, one does'nt have to be much of a historian to understand what those dogmas brought by way of brutality.
I have two points to make. Firstly, dogmas keep changing with the times (meaning that today's forms of Marxist thought and practice have emerged to become compatible with today's needs of securing justice for the downtrodden - very relevant in India as a majority of the people still remains downtrodden despite 6 decades of democratic governance - without employing the tools of brutality and totalitarianism).
The second point is that most states in India, especially those 'enlightened' states that I named earlier have a form of brutality and violence (towards the downtrodden) so entwined in their very existence and being that the worst kinds of human rights violations are facts of everyday life and so endemic to society that they have traditionally never been seen as such (when something becomes so common, they no longer outrage).
Marxian dogmas of the past may have engendered vicious forms of brutality, yet those were avidly watched, commented upon and responded to by the world and time has forced the regimes that presided over such violence to change their ways.
No such luck for the suffering Indian because what he undergoes today and has always undergone have been intrinsic factors of life in India since ages !!!
By ending monarchy, maoist may prove that they won. But it will destroy Nepal's tradition and culture. Nepal is respected world wide for its culture and traditions.Thats why tourist go there wich has created many jobs otherwise nepal is very poor country. Maoist can make Nepal look like china, and rule it with prallel army. Since maiost's first principle is to use violance to rule society. Thats what they are doing in india too. Have u heard any other organisation killing 50 police in one attack, in Madhya Pradesh last year.Only maoist can do things like that. They follow terrorist style, creat terror, scare among people and rule. I wonder why indian army and US are silent on this matter. A terrorist organisation is gonna rule a country, is it not a serious matter. Should Not United nation interven and prove the election process. Maoist have no experience in governance at all, they have alwasy lived (including Prachanda) in jungle befor 2006 and fought a arm gurrila fight.
RE:Monarchy is not about ruling, its about 200 years old tradition.
by sibby mathews on Apr 15, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
What about the 'Ranvir Sena' of Bihar and Jharkhand ?
Perhaps their existence is salutory to the 'traditions' and 'culture' of those 'enlightened' states ??
it is amazing to see the amount of political and constitutional knowledge that a guerilla leader like Prachanda has. For those like me who thought that Maoists were brainless terrorists, this comes as a very unexpected revelation - just like everything else about this Nepal election.... Wonder how much consitutional knowledge or top level politics and strategy India's Maoists and Naxals know. And if they know that much why don't they simply give up arms...
RE:amazing - the amount of polished speak
by MOHAMMAD YUNUS on Apr 15, 2008 11:58 PM Permalink
Hmmmmm
beacuse if they will give up arms, the Indian landlords and capitalist having control on poolice will never give the due rights of poor to them.
India's visionary leadership did land reform in 1952 because they were having the idea that if they will not do so an armed socialist-communist revolution will come in India very soon.
But some of the states failed to implement so like Bihar.
Being a land lord from Bihar i lost too much of my land.
But i know that if our family would have lost few acres more, communist would not have exploited our poor villagers.
This is the social science of today and we have to accept it.
RE:amazing - the amount of polished speak
by sibby mathews on Apr 15, 2008 11:19 PM Permalink
How much knowledge, scholarship, erudition and statesmanship do you like to think India's mainstream politicians of parties like the Congress, BJP and the umpteen number of regional parties have ??
All that is needed of our politicians is just not taking up arms ??
70% POOR INDIAN (OPPRESSED CLASS) SHOULD FOLLOW MAOIST SUCCESS IN NEPAL AND GET TOGETHER UNDER ONE RED FLAG FOR ARM STRUGGLE AGAINST INDIAN CAPITALIST SOCIETY, NO ALTERNATIVE FOR THEM EXCEPT ARM STRUGGLE I THINK. R.SAINI.UK
Russia has poor people. But those poor people will not appear one bit poor to most of us Indians when we come to know about their living conditions. What the Russians (and the U.N) term as poor (earning less than a dollar a day per head, not having access to basic education, healthcare or social support systems) will, if applied without dilution to the Indian reality, place a great majority of Indians under the 'destitute' class. Only, most of us (especially middle and upper class Indians - they form less than 10 percent of the nation's population, by the same standards) are unable or unwilling to see this fact.
Leninism and Stalinism are dogmas of a long bygone era and do not present themselves as desirable systems to have anywhere in today's world, especially when nations are willing to beleive that alternate routes to the upliftment of depressed classes exist and are viable. However, this alone cannot obliterate the fact that those dogmas (founded as they were on brutality against resistance) served to jump start an erstwhile backward and beaten (from centuries of tyrannical monarchies) society into the modern age. Today, Russia may not stand on equal footing with some of the western powers in the matter of being able to provide quality lives to it's less fortunate citizens, yet we Indians are still so far away from the levels even Russia has achieved that (and more pertinently, appear to remain far away for decades to come) any condescending talk by us
Now Nepal will be terror hub. These red terrorist(all communists) will make india life futher difficult. India is legging back already becuase thise stupids are sitting in office(delhi). With combination with congress they are doing disaster for the common person.
RE:HUB
by BS on Apr 15, 2008 10:57 PM Permalink
Dear brother MY,
probably you are not getting the true picture of Indian Politics sitting in KSA. Even a school child in India knows who are behind our commrade commies. They will do anything at the behest of China even if it is detrimental to Indian interests.
The Nepalese Maoists have killed hundreds of people. They are Terrorists by all means. And now they are going to rule Nepal and you think India does not have a problem with that?
Communism is out of place in today's world. The philosophy is outdated. Whats your logic for sympathising with these commies?
RE:HUB
by MOHAMMAD YUNUS on Apr 15, 2008 11:47 PM Permalink
But we are providing the ground.
I belong to a land lord family of Bihar. You come to my village and see how Mushars are living. This is our mistakes of decades which is coming back on us.
i believe in Islam and i know communism failed but if we will leave our fellow poor brothers on their own, anybody can divert them anywhere.
The Monarch of Nepal does not deserve any sympathy as he has masterminded his own brother's killing to become the Monarch. But the people of Nepal is not achieving much as there is now a days no difference in a monarchy & the communist govt except the fact that the Monarch will be a different person. Shekhar
History proves that communists were the worst dictators ! Stalin killed more people in Russia, Poland and Spain than the people killed by Hitler and Mussolini together. It is called the Reign of Terror or Yezhov period. Worst is that he killed the real Bolsheviks who were with Lenin to maintain his supremacy. Prachanda will meet teh same fate !!
RE:whats R&AW doing now?
by MOHAMMAD YUNUS on Apr 15, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
yes, i agree. It must be CIA or China. Most probably china but may CIA playing a double cross.
