I think India and China will be good friends and the Tibet problem will be solved when the Communist party in China is no longer in power. The communists are a cause of the hostility and make China seem hostile and demonic when the Chinese people are not that way.
RE:democracy
by Loan Shark on Apr 13, 2008 05:06 AM Permalink
there is no sign that democracy is coming any time soon to china ... you better not hold your breath for that ... LOL
china is just protecting its territorial integrity ... tibetians are part of china ... even dalai lama is not asking for freedom from china .... he is just asking for more autonomy.
but indians, true to their nature, will jump to interfere in others' affairs ... and will hate when others interfere in theirs' ...
we should stay out of tibet issue ... if people want to, they can, it's their choise, but the govt. should not support any separatist movement anywhere in the world.
RE:democracy
by sri on Apr 13, 2008 05:43 AM Permalink
Nobody is holding anybody's breath. It is a question of looking at the future based on current possibilities. Tibetans are not part of China and the more the Chinese play games, the more Dalai Lama's position will get diluted and Tibetans will stop at nothing short of independence. Even the mighty soviet state could not prevent various republics from getting independence eventually. China like them is strong in some ways but very weak in others. We cannot stay out of the Tibet issue as you want us to because Tibet impacts our security, our water, our territorial integrity in the north and northeast. Do not allow confusion about the Kashmir and Tibet issues to cloud your judgement.
RE:democracy
by Loan Shark on Apr 13, 2008 06:25 AM Permalink
You have no idea ... Russia crumbled under failing economy ... China doesn't have any such near term problem. Their economy, perhaps you are not aware, is the fatsest growing among world's large economies.
Reagan led the defense expense to a point where soviets couldn't match them and their economy collapsed
RE:No support for Tibet
by sri on Apr 13, 2008 03:58 AM Permalink
LS, There are huge differences between the two and you should know better than to compare the two.
RE:No support for Tibet
by Loan Shark on Apr 13, 2008 05:02 AM Permalink
sri, what is the difference? tell me rather than saying there is a huge difference and I should know better.
itna likha hai toh difference bhee likh deta to kyaa problem thaa?
RE:No support for Tibet
by sri on Apr 13, 2008 05:37 AM Permalink
I dont want to waste space here. Please read Raman's letter to Aamair Khan at least about the kashmir issue to get a few of these points. Briefly, the differences revolve around Ethnicity, demographics, special status for the region, pandit exodus, Pak involvement to an extreme, legal accession instrument and not forceful annexation, etc etc.
RE:No support for Tibet
by Loan Shark on Apr 13, 2008 06:21 AM Permalink
LOL ... waste of space? that's a lame argument used when you don't have an argument ... if you don't want waste of space, don't write at all, because what you write is in deed a waste of space. and who is raman, and what is his letter to amir khan so important?
1. ethnicity - kashmir had a majority of muslims at independece ... pakistan is supporting the muslims there to lead a separatist movement. any attempt by Indian govt. to support freedom of tibet from china, constitutes an act of support to separatism ... why is it so difficult for you to understand?
demographics - kashmir is in mountains, tibet is a plateau - roof of the world ... tibet is connected to china and has a longer border than kashmir has with mainland India.
special status - that was granted by India to kashmir ... which in fact makes kashmir different from other Indian states. tibet is part of china and enjoys no special status
pak involvement to extreme - when pak is involved, we call it to extreme, when we do it, it is not. talk about yr double standards LOL ... Indian govt. should just stay out of it.
legal/not forceful - tibet is legally part of China ... india-pakistan and have fought wars over kashmir ... Indian govt. should stay out of tibet issue ... if we openly support tibet's separatist movement, we could face a war with China.
RE:No support for Tibet
by Patriot on Apr 13, 2008 07:15 AM Permalink
Loan Shark - You don't even know the meaning of demographics. It's pointess to argue with you. Go to China if you like it so much. You only can belong there.
RE:RE:No support for Tibet
by bnsl on Apr 13, 2008 05:52 AM Permalink
Rajeev Srinivasan has pointed out: In Tibet, Communism is wiping out an Indic faith, Tibetan Buddhism. In Jammu & Kashmir, Islam is wiping out another Indic faith, Hinduism. But any comparison between the two situations is erroneous and entirely out of place. The full text is posted at Indiannotion.com
RE:No support for Tibet
by Loan Shark on Apr 13, 2008 06:29 AM Permalink
so, why is indic faith suddenly so important? faith is personal ... it's a human belief ... besides, there is no evidence that chinese govt. is converting buddhists in tibet into some other religion like christianity or islam or whatever ... anyway, some people will switch religions ... happens all the time
Olympics in China indeed is for those developping countries, especially for those Asia and Africa developping countries. Touch relay is an example. It passes more Asian and African countries than Europe and North american countries even these western countries can get more medals in Olympics. Why? Look at India and Pak. You two countries rarely get any medals in the Olympics but Chinese delibetely chose your two countries as touch relay routs because your two countries represent a large undeveloped population. The West always want to get China because China does not adopt western system but their own way of life. The west feel uncomfortable about China's developemt and became more powerful. They want China, and I think even India, to be always weak so they can exploit them. Time has changed but the colonism has never changed or disappeared. Yes, China is still one party system but this is not the only reason that the west hate China. In the deep down, the white western do not like colored people to dominate the world. My India friends, look around you, all colored people in this world are poor (Korea and Japan are still be colonised by USA and they do not have independent foriegn policy. They are too samll to dominate world). I feel sad that a lot of Indian do not trust China or Chinese. I can tell you that Chinese do not hate Indian. All the borders issues are British' faults (Colonist's strategy - divide & conquer). The two biggest countries can solve this problem.
RE:Olympics is for all developping countries
by sri on Apr 13, 2008 03:55 AM Permalink
David, your message is appreciated. But please realize that there is serious problem bet India and China which makes it difficult for us to believe that China is a real friend. China attacked India in 1961 at the height of our friendship. Our PM Nehru deeply believed that China was a friend and immediately accepted Tibet as part of China and also asked that the UN permanent seat be given to China. No matter if the land disputes between India and China are a creation of the west, the fact is that China was willing to attack us and "teach a lesson" as Mao said.
The media in India is free and so Indians can get all this info. So how do you expect us to accpet China so easily. Even now you can see that it tries to bully us over the border issue, has armed Pakistan with nuclear and other weapons against India. China is even armng Bangladesh against India.
So if China wants India to believe it and be a friend it must behave like a friend.
RE:Olympics is for all developping countries
by Loan Shark on Apr 13, 2008 06:37 AM Permalink
India should also act responsibly and not support a separatist movement in their country ... whether china is a friend or not, out govt. should do the right thing
RE:Olympics is for all developping countries
by on Apr 13, 2008 10:08 AM Permalink
how is our coun try arming a seperate rebellion....it is merely allowing democracy to wokr
Olympics in China indeed is for those developping countries, especially for those Asia and Africa developping countries. Touch relay is an example. It passes more Asian and African countries than Europe and North american countries even these western countries can get more medals in Olympics. Why? Look at India and Pak. You two countries rarely get any medals in the Olympics but Chinese delibetely chose your two countries as touch relay routs because your two countries represent a large undeveloped population. The West always want to get China because China does not adopt western system but their own way of life. The west feel uncomfortable about China's developemt and became more powerful. They want China, and I think even India, to be always weak so they can exploit them. Time has changed but the colonism has never changed or disappeared. Yes, China is still one party system but this is not the only reason that the west hate China. In the deep down, the white western do not like colored people to dominate the world. My India friends, look around you, all colored people in this world are poor (Korea and Japan are still be colonised by USA and they do not have independent foriegn policy. They are too samll to dominate world). I feel sad that a lot of Indian do not trust China or Chinese. I can tell you that Chinese do not hate Indian. All the borders issues are British' faults (Colonist's strategy - divide & conquer). The two biggest countries can solve this problem.
BJP idiots, boot lickers of their corrupt leaders, are thinking to hide their nakedness when remove the messages from message board. But they do not recognise they are world notorious!!!
Olympic torch is a symbol of harmony. But Lama is the symbol of violence today. He wears the mask of another cruel animal (World notorious killer George Bush). Killer political party is his Indian envoy.
RE:Communist Anti-Nationals
by Transformers on Apr 12, 2008 01:40 PM Permalink
Chinese Party of India(Mafia) karat and yechury are in the forefront of demand to secede arunachal to china. Their demand of givin away land and india sovereignty to china is blasphemous. They should be charged with treason and the Chinese Party of India(Mafia) should be immediately banned and the Indian constitution should be ammended declaring communism in India illegal. Commies are the biggest threat to India today with terrorism the second biggest threat. Karat uechury are more dangerous than the most dangerous pakistani terrorists.
RE:Olympic torch is a symbol of harmony. But Lama is the symbol of violence today. He wears the mask of another cruel animal (World notorious killer George Bush). Killer political party is his Indian envoy.
by Transformers on Apr 12, 2008 01:28 PM Permalink
Jyoiti Basu of Chinese Party of India(Mafia) protested against Indian defence againt chinese invasion of india in 1962 and was jailed by Nehru for anti India activities. Basu went on to become the CM of bengal. Commies never condemn Chinese claim of arunachal Pradesh whn the people themselves want top be part of India.. Chinese Party of India(Mafia) opposes Indian nuclear progress bt has no problems with Chinas nuclear arming of pakistan whch are targeted towards India and supports iranian nuclear program. The communists oppose ndustrialiazation in India and went on killing 100's of poor farmers in Singur and Nandigram tryin to grab farmers fertile land for setting up industries. Chinese Party of India(Mafia) are ruling bengal for more than 30 years now and have reduced bengal from being the finest to being the poorest.. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Commies vociferously opposed introduction of computers by rajiv gandhi, commies cald computers as evil and against national interest. Commies neva condemned chinese invasion of India in 1962. Commies do not recognize aksai chin in kashmir as part of india. Chinese Party of India(Mafia) do not consider Arunachal Pradesh as part of india and support chinese claim of arunachal. And yes the commies got a new name now "Headless Chickens and Spineless Morons".
RE:Olympic torch is a symbol of harmony. But Lama is the symbol of violence today. He wears the mask of another cruel animal (World notorious killer George Bush). Killer political party is his Indian envoy.
by Transformers on Apr 12, 2008 01:32 PM Permalink
The olympic torch is a symbol of harmony and freedomand and peace and the olympic torch stepping into china is a big insult to the olypic torch. The olypic torch should nt have been allowed to land in china, a country built with the blood of innocents. The olympic torch need to be purified to bring it back to its glory and this can be done by freeing tibet from chinese clutches. Comie morons in India shouldbe thrown into china where they can eat chinesedung
As I write, the President of Pakistan and heads of state or government from ten other countries, including Sweden, Australia, Chile, are addressing the Boao Forum held on Hainan island, China. Who gives a damn about what a few former Tibetan slave owners say or do. These idiotic and virulent people pale into inexistence in the big scheme of things. The dogs can bark as loudly as they like, but they will not be heard. Good luck!
RE:The insignificants and the tools of the West should shut up
by Transformers on Apr 12, 2008 01:10 PM Permalink
China itself in on the verge of exploding, the freedom starved chinese will themselves crush the murderes communists. the last scourge on the world will son dissapear with the end of communismin china and with the independence of tibet. The peaceful tibeteans will gain independence frm the cruel chinese. The olympics in evil china is a farce a big fraud. China will not succeed with the blood of innocents on their hand. The arrogance of china is like hitler and china too will go down the drain like hitler. The ethnic cleansin of tibeteans will be paid forby the end of communismin china and the independence of tibet.
