Good news that people who suffered for centuries are now getting justice.... This is the effect of karma for upper castes who cannot escape karma... Down with manu......
RE:Great verdict
by kd on Apr 11, 2008 08:27 AM Permalink
In that case what do we do about the muslim invaders who looted, slaughtered innocent men children and raped women and sold women for 800 years??
RE:Great verdict
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:49 AM Permalink
yeah, the karma bug is coming to bite the upper caste hindus, but will it benefit the lower caste hindus?
anyway, they are converting to christianity and budhism ... so who cares?
RE:Great verdict
by gopala panikkar pazhoor on Apr 11, 2008 06:48 AM Permalink
a mistake cannot be corrected by another mistake.what is needed is a cast less society .The cast reservation cement the discriminations by cast.What is aimed in in politics is casting of votes by getting cast feelings cemented.So let us remove the V.P singhs and Arjunsinghs from politics.The rajas have lot of money with them and they play cast cards to ensure power.The very first mistake made in the constitution of India is cast reservation for jobs.It should go.
Indian politics is: For the minorities By the minorities Of the minorities
Merit ppl are beggars in the society Having born like this is my fault Having worked hard throughout my life to earn a living this is what I get in return Having pledged right from childhood in school that All Indians are my brothers and sisters, this is what we get in return.... a step motherly treatment....
RE:Shame on Supreme Court
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:27 AM Permalink
manoj beta, chhoad de yeh bharat maa ka lap ... leave the country and go abroad .. you will be respected more than you get in India.
just remember, you have to lose some, to gain some
what i think that by giving caste basis reseveration we can not take India forward.We should give education resevaration only at the basic level and not on the caste basis but on the income basis.and when a poor or backward people clear the competion then gov should give concession on their fees and loadging and fooding.even gov can give economic support at the initial level means during his/her preliminary studies.But by giving the seat reseveration on the caste basis or any basis we will only harm the Future of our country as well spread the frustration among the talented one.
RE:Politics of intelligent literate over fool literate and illiterate
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:25 AM Permalink
talented ones like me have left India for good and enjoying it in the best country of the world - the USA
RE:Politics of intelligent literate over fool literate and illiterate
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:32 AM Permalink
you are right ... I am doing a service to India by leaving a job for someone else to fill ... someone who is just slightly less competent than I am.
it is very heartening to hear the decision is being implemented. obcs,dalits muslims constitue 85% of indians. if we cant develop them india can never be a super power.. what foul r u ppl crying about.. if u hated reservation why did u not oppose when bjp announced 5% reservation for uppercaste? why did u not oppose management quita seats which g upto 15 to 25 % in orivate colleges?? do u think those who buy those seats are intelligent than the poor obc students.. if ur still opposing ths then ur inhumane. afterall obcs are our brothers..if nothing was done then there will be a political revolution and more mulayams and lalloos will come based on caste..rather than that providing education through reservations is better so that we can all live in harmoney.
RE:glorious day for india
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 05:17 AM Permalink
It looks like you are a reservation candidate too!!! Reservation is bad no matter what!!! Reservation simply means that you are not a merit student but still we will give you a seat because you are from a backward caste. If Government is so considered about OBC students, then they need to provide facilities for them to excel in studies and NOT by providing them seats when they are not qualified. For example: If you need a operation, would you prefer to go to a doctor who is meritorious in his field OR a reservation candidate who got out of medical college with low skills?
RE:RE:glorious day for india
by rahul g on Apr 11, 2008 05:40 AM Permalink
ha ha dude then why did u not oppose 33% reservation for females?? just beacuse ur sister or bhabhi got a seat based on that?? why did u not oppose 5% reservation for upper castes by the bjp why did u not oppose management quota?? do u think those who buy seats are meritorious than obc students who studied so hard and are not far behin the rankings??
RE:RE:RE:glorious day for india
by rahul g on Apr 11, 2008 05:41 AM Permalink
its the fault of the uppercaste youth who took to roads.. remember when govt said we will create more seats to accomodate the upper castes who lose out they opposed that..doesnt it strike to ur mind that obcs did not oppose tht move..they din say they wanted the cake all for themselves.. get a life dude
RE:glorious day for india
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 09:01 AM Permalink
Please read my post properly before commenting. I already said "Reservation is bad no matter what!!! " Absolutely no reservations for anyone...just MERIT, MERIT & MERIT. I have a life dude and I don't need reservation...it looks like you need to get a life dude because you need reservation!!!
RE:RE:glorious day for india
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 05:22 AM Permalink
Also, it brings a bad name to reputed institutions like IIT and IIM with non-performing students....It doesn't take much time to bring down the reputation...the reputation these institutions have held for so many years.
RE:glorious day for india
by gopala panikkar pazhoor on Apr 11, 2008 06:38 AM Permalink
human beings constitute 100% of Indian population.No OBC, no Dalit, no brahmin, no shudra,no Muslim, no xian .If you want to eliminate cast ism from India, cast based reservation has to go.When ever you get reservation, on the basis of cast you feel yourself inferior!!.Let us all fight to eliminate cast wars in India and remove the cast based reservations!!Any reservation is detrimental to merit
I think they should reserve 100% seats at IIT and IIM. This will give birth to era of private universities like they have in the US where only consideration is merit. Agreed the fees are more but students can always of loans. Also, when merit is involved all companies flock these schools with best jobs. Thanks to Arjun, IIT, IIM and AIIMS will no longer be sought after by companies anymore. This will only harm the OBCs! After all what good is degree if you can't get a decent job with it?
RE:RE:This may be a blessing in Disguise
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:34 AM Permalink
petition whom? petition where? kidhar karega? mandir mein? indian grocery store ke saamne? LOL
RE:This may be a blessing in Disguise
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 05:24 AM Permalink
Don't worry!!! There are reservations for public sector jobs too!!! And, may be they will bring reservations to private sector too..thanks to Meira Kumar and Ram Vilas Paswan.
Those coming out of IITs,IIMs go and land in USA or Europe..Their cost of training and education is very high.they study using taxpayers money, they get worls class facilities from the Central govt grants...yet they go to US and Europe and serve them!!!IF asked, they would blame this country.They would say India is poor and socialist..
Till they grow and complete their studies India is a good country and after completing they ditch their motherland..
OF course there are students staying back but majority of them go overseas bcoz of high salaries.. India is also growing and there are opportunities coming up.If they regard money as important and leave, only God can save India...
RE:The IIMs and IITs - anyway they are going to runaway to US and UK..so whats the use
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:29 AM Permalink
well said, india kaa kaam toh mediocre se bhee chal jaayega ... ajkal toh india mein hurr gali aur nukkad be ek management school open ho gaya hai ... IIM jaane ka talent toh rare hai ... koi kyaa karega? paisa do, degree lo!!
RE:The IIMs and IITs - anyway they are going to runaway to US and UK..so whats the use
by yournutshell on Apr 11, 2008 03:41 AM Permalink
what remaining in this country now? We all have to be selfish..dont you want to make money? for your family, for yourself?
Even Supreme court can't save India...under the vote bank politics and reservations card, useless, junk and many taking advantage inspite of their fathers is very rich, rich and middle class in BC reservation culprits...for any thing now a days Bcs know how to make noise and play vote bank politics...any one is poor and any one in need should have reservation in this country but not just basis on the cast....which is 100% flaw and tons of BCs who is super rich and super settled compare to many OC people in india...at the same time there are plenty of poor people in BCs those are the people should get help and at the same time there are plenty of poor people in OCs...what about them...better to dump supreme court rules in near future when they don't to proper justice for all in India
RE:Even Supreme court can't save India
by mohandas pai on Apr 11, 2008 03:12 AM Permalink
as well we can make education free upto any level based on merits and as per the quota as per the ruling,., anyhow lots of taxes by education cess being collected.. with a commitment that they will be serving our own Motherland than catching Lufthansa or British Airways flights. we got freedom in middle of night on 14-15 1947 but many of our qualified citizens (forgetting they gained their education in this same land which they term mediocre) fly to their freedom overseas in the middle of the night-leaving flights taking off from the mother earth of this same Great country(which for them post-qualification becomes a land of no-zero opportunites ... !!! nice paradox ...
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by Praveen George on Apr 11, 2008 02:21 AM Permalink
That exactly is what is required except the argument that government institutes should rot and ISB is attracting "merit" . Governments role is to faciliate social changes so government institutes have to follow the policies of the government. Institutes like ISB cater to people who want to get educated in ISB, so there again "merit" is stricly an unclear definition :-). Learn to live in an "unfair" world, the job of the government is not to make sure every ones feel you are fairly treated, but to ensure there is social fairness.Fairness to society is different from fairness to an Individual
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by Insane on Apr 11, 2008 02:18 AM Permalink
Imagine the fate of the students who in spite of making it to the list will not get admitted because OBC candidates will now replace them...
RE:RE:Solution: Open private universities
by mohandas pai on Apr 11, 2008 02:22 AM Permalink
let there be uplifting and each student from any category so far not able to step into these great institutions let him feel he belongs to this nation and gets more resourceful education and that will make him more gratitude to this nation and he/she will surely rethink before any brain drain surely, that is moral conscience.. not the way many just milk the system and fly off to the foreign shores post-studies ..... let there be self funding 100% in such brain drain cases and then we can see the true colours of brain drain
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:31 AM Permalink
phir OBC candidate tera boss bunn jaayega kyonkee woh MBA hai ... tere se kaam karayega aur khud credit lega ... kyonkee woh toh IIM grad hai ...
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by Gayatri Sharma on Apr 11, 2008 02:44 AM Permalink
i have one question. apart from whatever % of reservation the SC/ST has, are they going to pay the same fees or there also the govt has given them some reservation. :)
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by Indian on Apr 11, 2008 03:15 AM Permalink
Gayatri, Bcs looting India left and right under vote bank politics and sht reservations, so never expect that bcs going to pay even reasonable amounts, Govt will pay decent amount to them for being part of the course......also almost 40% Bcs fathers is damn rich but enjoys their children's money through stipends.....India is fked by bcs all over
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by balu on Apr 11, 2008 05:11 AM Permalink
indian is a settler like whites occupying usa. IITS and IIMS are run by 85% bcs tax payers. so BCs desrves 27%.
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by mohandas pai on Apr 11, 2008 03:11 AM Permalink
as well we can make education free upto any level based on merits and as per the quota as per the ruling,., anyhow lots of taxes by education cess being collected.. with a commitment that they will be serving our own Motherland than catching Lufthansa or British Airways flights. we got freedom in middle of night on 14-15 1947 but many of our qualified citizens (forgetting they gained their education in this same land which they term mediocre) fly to their freedom overseas in the middle of the night-leaving flights taking off from the mother earth of this same Great country(which for them post-qualification becomes a land of no-zero opportunites ... !!! nice paradox ...
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by mohandas pai on Apr 11, 2008 02:20 AM Permalink
no one will rot by any yardstick,, using honest tax payers funds, and cream students gain all the facilities and finally landup in a land outside india , brain drain after draining all the resources of the motherland ,, what justice is this and where is the rot ?? all in the minds and imaginations....
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by veeru raghavan on Apr 11, 2008 02:22 AM Permalink
u r right..These people who come out of IITs and IIMs go and land in USa or Europe..Their cost of training and education is very high and they pay less fees only..yet they go to US and Europe and serve them!!!IF askeed, they would blame this country.
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by mohandas pai on Apr 11, 2008 02:38 AM Permalink
drain all the resources from the same country where one belongs and then after acquiring all the techskills term the same country as socialist mindset medicrity etc,, then as well the concerned should have the real courage to go and study as well abroad instead of enjoying the cream and cakes here and then flying away .. we need India for all the milking and then go and then terming the milk-provider with all the terms after the milking season academic term is over saying no opportunities - what a great logical talk argument... with what conscience ?? is there anything left after the flying off towards centres where thereis bliss and no mediocrity... there will not be courage even to face the mirror eye to eye and say i did right flying off afer draining....
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by Loan Shark on Apr 11, 2008 06:37 AM Permalink
abbe dallas, SC/ST ko USA mein kyaa affirmative action mein employment milega? they will not get a job in USA without merit ... mill bhee gaya toh survive naheen karega without merit
RE:Solution: Open private universities
by mohandas pai on Apr 11, 2008 03:13 AM Permalink
as well we can make education free upto any level based on merits and as per the quota as per the ruling,., anyhow lots of taxes by education cess being collected.. with a commitment that they will be serving our own Motherland than catching Lufthansa or British Airways flights. we got freedom in middle of night on 14-15 1947 but many of our qualified citizens (forgetting they gained their education in this same land which they term mediocre) fly to their freedom overseas in the middle of the night-leaving flights taking off from the mother earth of this same Great country(which for them post-qualification becomes a land of no-zero opportunites ... !!! nice paradox ...
RE:RE:Solution: Open private universities
by Indian on Apr 11, 2008 03:18 AM Permalink
Pai, what is that u do and what is your contribution to India in raeal...I'm indian and I'm serving for India in day time but leaving in mid nights in BA or some thing else...let me know what is that u r doing for India other than eating indians tax money through reservations....
