Dear 20% People who is angree because, 27% OBC Quota. Do you people know other than OBC people learn all skill here in india in low cost and use their skill in foreign. You know why because this all people are not indian they are not mulnivasi. They people wont care about india's progress. They want only their selfishness. And they dont want OBC people to be reach on that place because when obc become higher educational then he try to make other people (80%) OBC also come up. One think i like to clear india in this time is most powerfull country in the world because of Educational power is comming in unity of OBC people not because of Bramhins.
another example - if you want to construct a house, you employ coolis (koolis). are these coolis got educated in a institute to work as cooli??
No. therefore by education he is NOT a cooli. but by qualities he is definitely a cooli. because he is able to perform his cooli duty successfully.
therefore, what i want to say to all of you is that - education or oppurtunity to education is only a means. but finally it is upto you to acquire those qualities.
to understand these things, one have to have correct objective of the life.
there are two objectives. first - the spiritual objective. second the sensual objective (bodily objective)
the spiritual objective is naturally superior.
present world unfortunately adopted the bodily objective (thanks to british rule over the whole world)
i hope you are all working in some companies. there is also caste system in your company. one is a manager. another is a team leader. the third is a team member. the forth may be just a cofee supplier.
are these divisions not Castes???
therefore, it is natural to accept the fact that the society is not the same. differences exist. and an intelligent person is he who does this discrimination. what will happen if a teacher thinks that he is equal to students. what will happen if father thinks he is equal to son. what will happen if a king thinks he is equal to citizens. what will happen if manager thinks he is equal to the coffee supplier.
therefore, it is must to have divisions in the society. and it is the responsibility of all to understand his own nature (qualities) and act accordingly.
just because some brahmins misused their equcation, you can not totally remove the whole teacher-taught system
for example, if a teacher misbehaves with a girl child (which is happening now a days), you just remove him and put another teacher. you will not totally remove the whole teaching system itself.
this was the mistake which all of us have done by removing kingly rule, just because some kings did mistake.
today the situation is so pathetic that if the present kings does mistake (politicians) we are not able to remove them from picture even by courts.
this is all because we have kept the bodily objective as main goal.
a completely realised brahmin does not work. he makes others work for his mission of pleaseing GOD.
this was done by all the great acaryas like Sankaracharya, yamunacharya, ramanujacharya, madhvacharya, caitanya mahaprabhu, etc.
just imagine how powerful should be the alwars of south india, that 1000s of temples were established just by their words.
the present day politicians are not even able to construct just one temple.
this all comes by purity. not by bodily exercise.
therefore it is time for educating the general mass to place the spiritual objective before their bodily objective.
Note that when there is a danger for you, your degree certificate (bodily qualifi
therefore it is time for educating the general mass to place the spiritual objective before their bodily objective.
Note that when there is a danger for you, your degree certificate (bodily qualification) will not help but if you are spiritually educated God plays a role to remove those dangers.
GOD is present every where. but Government can not be present every where (how many police can it supply in case of a rage?)
therefore a spiritually qualified person will be protected anywhere. but a bodily qualified person can not be protected even by the same government which gave him that qualification.
RE:THE REAL CASTE
by Nanchil on Apr 11, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Very clever explanation to raise the flag of brahmanism. But the days have changed. It is not easy to cheat people with brahmanical tricks.
RE:THE REAL CASTE
by Vijay B on Apr 11, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
Hey Nanchil, you and your ilk are worse than Jihadis man.. atleast Jihadis give away their life and take life. You don't do even that, bas you just take others' lives and livelihoods.
Want everything without working for it? You know what such people are called right? "Backward Class".
RE:THE REAL CASTE
by arun kumar on Apr 11, 2008 07:18 PM Permalink
mc hou...gaadhe saale.....hans chugega daana tunka kauva moti khayega.........lol kalyug is here.those who were raped and those who raped are going in same vagon......what a joke
People belonging to forward castes have no political muscle. In a political democracy, majority wins not morality. Hitler's Germany used similar ideas to first marginalize and then legally execute the Jew minority. Flee when you have a chance, for that chance might not exist forever. As simple as that.
RE:(Political) Might is right - Law of the Jungle rules in the court!
by arun kumar on Apr 11, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
WELCOME TO INDIA......LAND AND SANCTUARY OF ALL CROWS.
Any anti-reservation remarks is branded as Brahmanism and attacked viciously by quoting real or false examples from some place whose data cannot be verified.
What these so called champions of Dalits never say is how to improve education systems for the under previlaged who have no access to basic education ? how to remove the dependence on such reservation and make the entire educational system as casteless equal system for all.
The fact is at least in state of Maharashtra I see lots of people from various categories working in private and public sectors. I never ask for castes but thats the whole point of treating a human as a human and not some caste/religion animal.
Reservations are the biggest injustice done not to the so called upper-class but to the real deserving candidates who are poor and under previlaged and have no access to basic education system. Its a bigger crime against Indian society as it tends to deliberately distinguish between people of various castes and reinforces caste divides rather than remove them.
Caste/Religion based reservation will go down as the biggest blunder of Indian leadership in history of mankind because they seem to be doing the same as what they claimed has been done in the past.
People in power misused it under various guises one being castes and even today this is same that is happening.
RE:Anti-reservation is always branded as brahmanism, wrong logic
by Sincere Citizen on Apr 11, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
In past educated , learned and wise people were respected irrespective of their castes/religion. Indian history is replete with such examples.
A Brahmin is one who devotes his/her time to gain knowledge and attain wisdom. People tend to use terms and bash others without even thinking about the consequences of their words and actions. Reservations based on birth caste/religion are bad for the entire society which has to live with these divisions for ever. But worst part is people who are supposedly helped by reservations are actually never helped at all, they tend to live with an inferiority complex and tend to blame everyone else for any failures that happen in life.
The example of Mr. Nanchil below is a classic case, this person tends to blame everyone for problems on dalits whereas he seems to nurse an inferiority complex and a hatred for others.
Dalits need to be helped sure but reservations are certainly not the solution.
Any such solution has to bridge the gaps between various castes and religions and not widen them this can only happen through good quality grassroot education and the leaders themselves giving up identity based on caste/religion.
RE:Anti-reservation is always branded as brahmanism, wrong logic
by Nanchil on Apr 11, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
You have set a good example for how cunning a brahmin can be. "A Brahmin is one who devotes his/her time to gain knowledge and attain wisdom." - What wisdom a brahmin got. Have you read history? I know your wisdom is expressed in mansmriti. BTW why best education could not remove your superiority complex and arrogance?
In the IIT Madras, out of 427 faculty members (teaching staff) only 2 faculty members belong to the Dalit community. Both these members only belong to the lower cadre. Also, this means that instead of 22.5% of positions being allotted to Dalits only 0.4% reservation is being given. If the proper process of reservation is followed there should be 96 Dalit faculty members.
Also, although Muslims form about 15% of the Indian population there is not a single Muslim faculty member in the Institute. There are only a handful of Christian faculty members.
Around 400 faculty members belong to the Brahmin community. This means that the Brahmins occupy 93% of the teaching community in the institute although their percentage in population is only 3%. About 15 faculty members belong to other Hindu castes apart from Dalits or Brahmins.
RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
So, what to do if they implemented merit? It looks like you want reservations and not merit.
RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by kavi sir on Apr 11, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Brahmins in Tamill Nadu need no reservation in any sphere of life - whether it be education/employment etc. They can excell thro' correspondence couseses lime M.Com./MBA and comeout with flying colours, if they are really intelligent !! They will simply prove this !!!
THE GOVT. OR MR. ARJUN SINGH AND CO., CANNOT IMPLEMENT RESERVATION IN CORRESPONDENCE COURSES !!!
So Studendt of all upper caste in Tamil Nadu as well as in India, DON'T LOOSE HEART BY THESE KIND OF RESERVATIONS !!! You need not prove your intelligence thro' IITs /IIMs !!!!
RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by Nanchil on Apr 11, 2008 11:06 AM Permalink
Only a handful of the Dalit students who clear the Joint Entrance Exam are allowed to join the Institute and some of them are forced to take a one year training called Preparatory Course and they are taught school portions once more. The institute then conducts internal exams, and a few of them are selected to join the institute & are made a year junior to upper caste classmates Conducting of Preparatory Courses only to Dalit students is violative of Right to Equality and is a highly discriminatory practice.
Dalit students selected for the B.Tech are continuously harassed & they are wantonly failed in courses by Brahmin faculty. This is facilitated because student's caste is mentioned in the roll call given to Faculty members. Very few Dalit students are allowed to complete their B.Tech degree and many discontinue. Dalit students are entirely denied admissions to other programs like M.Tech, M.S. & Ph.D.
In the Department of Mathematics, IIT Madras, till 1998 no Dalit student had been selected for the Ph.D. program. Despite appearing twice for interview a Dalit student Mr.S.R.Kannan was not selected. For selecting him Dr. (Mrs.) Vasantha Kandasamy, an Associate Professor of the Department had to appeal to various social justice forums to see that he was selected. Till date he is yet to be allotted an office room in the Mathematics Department.
RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by sudeep goenka on Apr 11, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
if u think that u ppl do not deserve this discrimination why dont you come forward and oppose this quota policy of the govt.????Clear the IIT entrance without help of quota with your own calibre....and then say if any brahmin faculty harrassed you....this is obvious that those who are coming to IITs through reservation will have to prove that they deserve to be there...thats why they are given 1 yr training to maintain the standards of IITs.....The reality is that,you ppl are not happy with what you are getting at the cost of other more deserving candidates ...just keep on cribbing....
RE:RE:RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
It is good that preparatory courses are being given to improve the skills of non-merit students. This is similar to US education. This will help them achieve better grades in the actual courses.
RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by Nanchil on Apr 11, 2008 11:06 AM Permalink
The selection to the B.Tech degree is based on an All India Level Entrance test called the JEE (Joint Entrance Examination), which is held commonly for the 6 IITs.
Discrimination against the Dalits begins at the stage of applying itself. The Dalit students are issued coloured application forms whereas other students are always given white coloured forms. This year the application forms given to Dalit students were pink in color and last year it was green. This is a shocking case of modern day apartheid, and a greater shock is that the answer sheets of Dalit students are also coloured.
This year (2001), 537 students were selected to join B.Tech in IIT Madras. Of these 503 students belong to the general category and only 34 students belong to the Dalit community. Instead of 22.5% reservation eligible to Dalits only 6.3% is being filled up. If reservation is properly implemented there should be 121 Dalit students in B.Tech course.
RE:RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 11:36 AM Permalink
Colored application forms are given so that they can identify reservation candidates who do not have the brains.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 11:46 AM Permalink
It is a common practice to differentiate different types of forms with different colours. For example, US Immigration does that too.
It is your hatred, casteist and inferior attitude that makes you think always in the negative. I have been noticing all your posts...you have nothing but hatred and negativeness in your heart and mind.
RE:Brahmanism in IIT Chennai
by Nanchil on Apr 11, 2008 11:07 AM Permalink
Dr. Vasantha fought for the Dalit scholar, so she is harassed in all possible ways. She was selected as Associate Professor in 1996, but she is denied her right salary. Despite being a highly qualified mathematician having published over 350 research papers in journals & conferences, she is discriminated because she is espousing the cause of Dalit education. She has guided 11 students for their doctoral program - Ph.D.
In an effort to put a stop-gap to the Dalit movement the IIT Madras administration is victimizing Dr. Vasantha. She has sent over 62 letters of appeal to the Indian Government to do justice but no action has been taken. So, Dr. Vasantha will be directly approaching the United Nations Committee on Elimination of Discrimination Against Women.
Over 200 cases are pending in Honorable Courts in Madras against Director, IIT Madras, for the past five years & some of these cases are regarding denial of reservation for Dalits.
koi hota jisko apna hum apna keh lete yaaron paas nahi to dur hi hota lekin koi hamara apnna. government apni nahi,law apna nahi then is this country ours ya wo bhi nahi. coz people can throw u out on ne basis at ne time.
i always felt that people sitting in supreme court are higly educated and have a great wisdom to take right decision. But their judgement on quota has badly disaapoitned me n made me realized that i m so unlucky to born in open category. i wish i was born in obc category so dat even i cud hav a bright future widout pains wid help of stupid laws of the country where the fittest is thrown out n only weakest is given the golden chance. i advise all the paernts n children to turn obc or sc,st coz if u want to study in india widout ne tension n bribe it is the best and cheapest way to get admission coz our law n government belive that open category is useless n only obc deserve the seats.i m happy dat even though i m 23 yrs i hav not wasted my vote by voting for ne of these useless govenment who cant remove the barriers of inequality but in keep on increasing it. i understand that elections are upcumin n thus the government may have influenced the supreme court to take the judgement. God save this country and its poor open category people. Education shud always be given on merits n not sympathy. coz one who studies hard has d right to seat.Govrnment cud hav anounced sponsorship for obc students. But how can they shell out d money which they keep it up for themselves. N we still keep watching this show as law n order both r out of r hand n still v call india as democratic country.
RE:save d country
by kavi sir on Apr 11, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
Don't feel letout !!! An intelligent student of Upper caste ( general Category beonging to various castes / religion ) will not be dettered by these kind of reservations !!! You people have various ways to improve your intelligence thro' CORRESPONDENCE COURSES !!!! -B.A. B.COM./ M.COM./ M.A./ M.C.A./M.B.A. ETC. !!!
I think govt. can not issue orders for RESERVATION IN CORRESPONDENCE COURSES !!!
PROVE YOUR INTELLIGENCE THRO' THIS !!!
I have advised my son like this (he is expecting his 2 results)!! I hope my son will do best and comeout with flying colours even afther these kind of reservations !!!
In the sparetime available while doing correspondence courses, you can learn to play with stock market and earn pocket money !!
now the order is from supreme court. we all know that it is wrong.Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar introduced the reservation system in order to minimize the inequality which was there in d country during post independence period. he never inteded to keep it continous forever. instead of curbbing it now wen india has come among the top growing countries,we r still applying quota system in our education system. those who cant score very high will be given the seats, n those who keep on studying day n night to get admission will not be given the seat coz it will b occupied by someone who does not deserve it,i really feel so bad about all those students who put in there hard efforts for many years and now they dont have the seats even though they may have the ranks. Now whom shud we all approach. Who is going to help us change supreme court's decision. can media help us? or will they just try to increase thier trp by showing the news wer students wil beaten by police for protesting against the judgement. is there anybody who can hold our hand n tell us dat this ur country wer u r treated equally n not on caste n religion.wen is india goin to shine. dont the judges hav common sense to provide poor children financial help n not quota as it will bring in even those who dont deserve the seat.their will b so many ministers dat wud admit the students who wud have been failures in their past academics but now they can sit in iim or iit as they will be voting for their ministers. WAKE UP INDIA W
RE:whom to approach
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 10:44 AM Permalink
Whom to approach...the President of India. But, what to do?....we all know who she is!!!
RE:whom to approach
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 10:55 AM Permalink
Do not vote to UPA next time and hope if BJP wins, they have the guts to take this back!!!
RE:whom to approach
by aarti roy on Apr 11, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
if bjp had the guts they wud have started protesting right after the judgement. but they r still sleeping.
RE:whom to approach
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 11:31 AM Permalink
I guess no one has the guts to take away reservations...but at least BJP does not bring reservations and if it does, it is to counter the dirty tricks of Congress.
RE:open category people unite and vote aginst UPA
by aarti roy on Apr 11, 2008 10:48 AM Permalink
if not congress then bjp or ne other party may have done it. has ne of the opposition party come out to say that a wrong decision has been taken? np way they wont even come coz they know how to play the safe game.
I Think we should welcome the decision of Supreme Court. The reservation system was started only to correct the imbalance of the society, which was created by so-called upper castes. At the same time,we should note that, this should be a temporary measure & must have some fixed end. Actually Reservation should be treated as a concession given to OBCs, SCs etc. not as their priviledge.Otherwise it will create another imbalance in the society.
RE:We should respect SC decision
by Naveen on Apr 11, 2008 10:28 AM Permalink
It has already created imbalance...Ambedkar wanted it to end long time back. But, these politicians want Votes...they are creating new reservations like this one and new castes like OBCs.
