This is the most shameful judgement in the history of India. This will create a big gap on the name of caste between people. Scholarship/free education is always the alternative to reservation? Why compromising talents?
RE:Shameful
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 11, 2008 01:49 AM Permalink
Wonder if MP's in the Parliament will also have 50% SC/ST/OBC quota ? Wonder if the Indian cricket team would also have the quota ?
RE:RE:Shameful
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:52 AM Permalink
Sure if one of the cricket player will be behaved abnormally then surely there should be also quota there. I don't think till now such happend to any of them else they would have spoken before.
RE:Shameful
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 11, 2008 01:57 AM Permalink
So u mean all the forward castes are all behaving ABNORMALLY, thats why this quota is being introduced ? And talking about abnromality - ever heard the name Sreesanth and how he behaves on the field ? By your logic, he shud be replaced by a quota player, right ? Yaaar, its not about castes - reservations if any shud only be done on the basis of economic conditions.
RE:Shameful
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 02:01 AM Permalink
historically discrimination has been on the basic on caste, not on economic conditions and if reservation has to achieve it goals has to follow the same pattern because the idea of having of having reservation is to set right historical wrongs!
RE:Shameful
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:15 AM Permalink
You wanna know what's behaving abnormally. Just read my above posting, you will know the mean of behaving abnormally.
RE:Shameful
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 01:43 AM Permalink
wah wah...when caste worked/works to your advantage, it is good. if it doesn't, this whining!
RE:Shameful
by raghabendra ray on Apr 11, 2008 01:52 AM Permalink
mr gopal krishan..u r living in 21st century..talk abt developement and look ahead..dont go to past..u can never be a developed country with these ideas..look ahead and think abt the country..and try to understand the mean political interst of the politicians behind these decosiin..only to fool ppl and get vote...its really sorry to have persons like u in 21st centry..
RE:Shameful
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 01:55 AM Permalink
yes we should "look ahead" and release all prisoners and going forward crime should not carry any penalty because by the time we discover the crime would have been committed! we should keep looking forward and concentrate on development irrespective of whether it is equitable or not!
RE:Shameful
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:43 AM Permalink
The more realistic solution can be removal of caste system from our life. It will remove the need of following reservation. Leave the caste system totally, if you got courage.
RE:Shameful
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 01:46 AM Permalink
why are you teasing them man? people who oppose reservation tend to be the most casteist!
RE:Shameful
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:50 AM Permalink
Ji aishe hai ki vo log bina baat ke comment pe comment mare ja rahe the. Mai sun raha tha aur soch raha tha ki sant rahoo. Per had kad di to maidan me utarana pada. Ab sab ke sab peeche hat rahe hai.
This judgement is nothing less than dividing our country on caste line. It is a shame on secularism. Does the suprem court or anybody else have the guts to divide muslims on backward, forward or anything else? Are all muslims equal? if not, then there must be bacward and forward or privileged and underprivileged. Can anyone dare utter the word of dividing them on that basis? When caste system are on the wane in our country and intercaste marriages are now pretty common phenomena,which was a strict no no a few decades back, chance is bright that hindus will get united in near future and it is daunting for the politicians. Thats why they are hell bent on dividing the society on caste line. If uplifting the underprivileged were the only motto, it could have been done in one thousand ways without using the caste. Suppression is a basic nature of all animals (including humans) and the stronger one tends to suppress the weaker one. How can this be eliminated by reservation. In the north east india, Biharis are being suppressed by assamese in assam, bengalis, assamese and other plain land peple are being suppressed by khasis in meghalaya, by nagas in nagaland, by mizos in mizoram and by manipuris in manipur and so on. Is there any reservation which can eliminate these problems? Even after this judgement, the reserved class will start suppressing the unreserved (and hence weaker). How can anyone stop this? So, it is nothing but a political gimmick in the election year. God help india
RE:Dividing India on caste line
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:42 AM Permalink
Totally agreed with your comment. However i just propose simple rule. No reservation policy can only be adopted in case of no caste policy. Remove the caste from the name system. I think that we need just name to represent ourself not to be facilitated through our caste.
RE:Dividing India on caste line
by Arrow on Apr 11, 2008 01:42 AM Permalink
Yes, these fu politicians cant get a uniform civil code for the country. These politicians and pseudo judges are all like parasites living on dead bodies. Why dont they bring this reservation in the indian cricket team and elsewehre too? I mean the prime minister & gang should get medically treated in hospitals where doctors are "Reservation" doctors. How about that eh?
Ab to aisa karo ki har institute me kam se kam ek general category rakhne ka rule nikaal do....baki saare kota.... but also, no bloody politician should be allowed to take treatment from a doctor who had qualified thru merit, they sud get the services from their favoured class only....
RE:Policy Change karo yaar
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:37 AM Permalink
What a rubbish comment. You are trying to supress the reservation or adding fuel for the reservation. Who said you that talent comes from caste, i can give you thousands of examples, where the peoples are benifited through thus reservation generated technicians and doctors. Don't add mindless comments.
RE:Policy Change karo yaar
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 01:34 AM Permalink
you mean the "merit" which is a result of systematic denial of opportunity to others over the period of 2000 years?
RE:RE:Policy Change karo yaar
by Pavan on Apr 11, 2008 02:23 AM Permalink
what are you talkign about gopal ?, denail of oppurtunity ?, so you want oppurtunity without earning it ?, is that your nature, back in the days of kings, everybody had a tough time, no was literate, so what are you talking about denial ?, what denial ?, you had food to eat, shelter to live ? , what else did you want ?, people to feed you ?, people to give you free money ?, well now you are getting free stuff be happy, have a party mofo
RE:Policy Change karo yaar
by Gabbar on Apr 11, 2008 01:59 AM Permalink
Ok , let us check the merits of your comments.
You mentioned systematic denial of opportunity for over 2000 years. But are you getting denied opportunity now ? If yes , then i believe you should be supported for upliftment. If No , then you shouldnt be.
The prime reason being the things done many years ago like British colonisation, Caste System, Invasion by Muslims into India etc , any particular community,caste or religion now cannot be put reposible for those actions. They situation at that time were totally different from now.
You cannot ask Britishers compensation for the colonisation nor the muslims for ruling us for a few centuries .. Hence the question for compensation for caste inequality in the past should not arise.
The second case is now when you dont get opportunities . This is very much possible as a lot of people in india do not get those opportunities. But i beg to differ in the sense that you dont get these due to your caste but because of your economic conditions. Therefore economic creteria should be the sole criteria for reservation if any ..
RE:Policy Change karo yaar
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 02:13 AM Permalink
No I am not denied the opportunity to compete, but the fact that my ancestors were denied such opportunities means that the evolution of my genes haven't kept pace with yours. So when we compete, you have an unfair genetic advantage over me. Only a bit of push for me or a penalty for you can make the race truly of equals. This is what reservation is trying to achieve. I am sorry we cannot wish away what happened in our lives over the last 2000 years. We cannot go after the British or the Muslim invaders because we can seek justice from our fellow brothers, right?
Recently, a school friend of mine, beneficiary of the quota system, a physician, at the district hospital told me; "Most of the doctors from reservation category are incompetent. No educated or conscious person belonging to either upper or lower caste has any desire to be treated by them. This attitude is most pronounced within the medical community itself. Within the medical community this class of doctors is considered to be on same footing as the ones produced by medical colleges where admissions are via the donations route or the ones that have degrees from some Russian institute. These people are called the Munnabhais of Indian medical system, a community of which our health minister is the flag bearer." Those who are meritorious amongst the reservation categories have divided opinion abt it. An OBC college friend of mine, who took his UPSC civil services exam the year he finished his graduation, stood fourteenth in the merit list and is serving in my home state as an IAS officer says that reservations have helped this section of the society but only a small part of it aka the so called creamy layer. While great achievers, (and I'm not talking about charlatans and gasbags like the celebrated Dalit intellectual Chandrabhan Prasad or 'the man of culture'(!) Karunanidhi), of the backward section such as Sam Pitroda find this exercise futile, regressive and divisive. Good or bad it is a policy truly reflective of the biggest Mobocracy of the world.
reservation is right ... we should have reservation in parliament too..... and in private sector too... its my request to sh. Arjun singh ji that pls make reservation mandatory in private sector also.....
RE:well well
by Kris Trivedi on Apr 11, 2008 01:36 AM Permalink
Why not have reservation in marriage too. Haar unchi jati wale ki atleast ek biwi reservation quota se honi chaiye.. aur atleast ek bachhee ka naam pichdi jati wala hona chaiye.. AUR woh bachhee ke naam ke end main ARJUN SINGH ka naam hona chaiye
RE:well well
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:47 AM Permalink
Vah ji vah kitna accha comment diya hai. Jaroor ek biwi reservation quota se honi chahiye aur bacche ka naam kris trivedi rakhna chahiye. App ke comment ka standard dekh kar to aishe hi lagta hai.'
RE:RE:well well
by joydeep dey on Apr 11, 2008 01:30 AM Permalink
As much as we say our country is prospering its things like these which are pushing it back to where it all started...reservation policy which was started by B R ambedkar as a means to bring in equality amongst all people in india is now being used by these Bast**d politicians for their own senseless use.
RE:well well
by Arrow on Apr 11, 2008 01:43 AM Permalink
BR ambedkar himself married a brahmin girl, my question is why didnt he marry a tribal to show his social equality view :)
OBCs and SC/STs would have had 100% reservations - the same percentage Brahmins enjoyed for 2000 years! Brahmins should be grateful that their "model" is not being followed faithfully, at least not now! Instead they are bickering and whining!
RE:If it were tit for tat....
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:58 AM Permalink
Tell me 1 reason that children of SC/STs should get reservation if they are NO LONGER ECONOMICALLY backward? I have seen SC/ST kids selling books and supplies that they got FREE and buy booz with that money. Wouldn't that free books and supplies be better used had they gave it to a brahmin who is really poor? Nobody is against reservation, but it should be based on economic condition of the student and not his/her cast. Also, the help should be provided in the form of assistance to help them study and qualify to these schools. Handing a spaceship to monkey would not ddo any good.
The sad part is people like you are running this country.
RE:If it were tit for tat....
by Raju on Apr 11, 2008 02:23 AM Permalink
One or two examples does not show you the truth. I can give you one hundred examples, where Brahmin kids selling their books (given by parents) for their enjoyments. Don't think all Brahmins are superman/james bond. It looks like you haven't got out of 1000 years old mentality of Brahmin supremacy... Grow up dear.. World is changing... Everyone knows what Brahmin did to society and development of India... If there was equality India would have been developed nation not developing...
RE:If it were tit for tat....
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 02:25 AM Permalink
oppression was based on caste, not economics. hence reservation too is based on caste!
RE:If it were tit for tat....
by Arrow on Apr 11, 2008 01:44 AM Permalink
agreed, that way you can bring down the whole nation in 10 years rather than waiting for thousand years. go ahead guys, screw india :)
RE:If it were tit for tat....
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 01:49 AM Permalink
India has been screwed all these years, now it will emerge from the dust must to the chagrin on Brahmins!
RE:If it were tit for tat....
by Kris Trivedi on Apr 11, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
Arre Bal Gopal Murli Manohar Krishna Kanhaiya... Tumhare Sub Bhagwan usi samay ke they jub yeh system bana tha... We have changed our thinking but people like u love to still stay in filth and talk about 2000 and 20000 yrs old stories
I have always believed that this reservation system should be limited to one generation only meaning if the dad got the favor and is in good position then the kids should not be in the OBC list anymore.
It will affect the general category merit students .. For example, i had my friends in school who used to come to school in cars rather than buses and score lower marks than me and still get a better seat just because they have a stupid "OBC surname" attached to their surnames..
So, whats the point ?? where 's the justice.. my merit was valued much lesser than this guy just because I do not happen to have a "OBC surname" attached too my name ???
RE:Where's the justice ???
by Kris Trivedi on Apr 11, 2008 01:22 AM Permalink
Subhankar ab sawal karne ka samay nahi hai... MOOH TOD JAWAB DENE KA SAMAY HAI...
RE:Where's the justice ???
by Ravi on Apr 11, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
This question was unanswered to lower caste people and they were suppressed for more than 1000 years! You are tired for less than 60 years? Fight for no caste system if you can or marry a SC ST girl so that your children get the facilities or work hard and accept your fate. This reservation should continue as long as inequality exists in indian soceity. Let the brahmins get tired and abolish caste systam and declare all hindus are same like in islam or chritianity
RE:Where's the justice ???
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
Who are the brahmins to decide about that. We are the young youth of this nation, let's decide. If we really got the courage to leave this caste system.
RE:Where's the justice ???
by KT on Apr 11, 2008 01:35 AM Permalink
Ravi,
If the Brahmins agree to abolish the caste system, do you think the other communities (currently enjoying reservations) would be willing to do the same? I really doubt that.
