RE:Sangh Parivar killed Gandhi as well as Mother India how they killed Sriram. Now its leaders and running here and there to capture the reign.
by A K Singh on Apr 07, 2008 02:18 PM Permalink
Great intelligence. RSS was exonerated of Gandhi's murder by our courts long back. But it seems you have some additional information. Why don't you turn it over to your friends in the Government, so that they can open the case once again? You commies know nothing except shouting at the top of your voices, repeating things, so that people take them for truth. Alas! You are also succeeding.
RE:Sangh Parivar killed Gandhi as well as Mother India how they killed Sriram. Now its leaders and running here and there to capture the reign.
by Sahadevan KK on Apr 07, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
Hindu terrorism is much brutal than Islamic Terrorism.
RE:Sangh Parivar killed Gandhi as well as Mother India how they killed Sriram. Now its leaders and running here and there to capture the reign.
by Pooja Saxena on Apr 07, 2008 02:38 PM Permalink
AK Singh ji.....let this commies..wat else can they do better..u know...they can do nothing!! Just remember..Indian communist means..
C - Cheap O - Opportunists M - Marionette (controller - China) M - Mean U - Useless N - Nuts I - Indolents S - Slayers T - Traitors
RE:RE:Sangh Parivar killed Gandhi as well as Mother India how they killed Sriram. Now its leaders and running here and there to capture the reign.
by Pooja Saxena on Apr 07, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
i got this from somewhere here in rediff...but its good.....
RE:Sangh Parivar killed Gandhi as well as Mother India how they killed Sriram. Now its leaders and running here and there to capture the reign.
by Sahadevan KK on Apr 07, 2008 02:58 PM Permalink
your leaders are also taking from poor of the poor.
RE:Sangh Parivar killed Gandhi as well as Mother India how they killed Sriram. Now its leaders and running here and there to capture the reign.
by Arnav Singh on Apr 07, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
Ohh my sahadevan...u r back buddy....again with ur old idiotic activities....whatever b the topic..u have to say ur commie words....u r insane..really....
It's a common belief that one can change the situation with power. But in Mahatma Gandhi's case, it's the otherway round. He did not hold any significant position and yet he commanded respect and popularity among the masses in India in particular and world-wide in general. I am very happy that Mahatma's message is still relevant and he remained a role-model for other Nations to seek the attainment of goal without resorting to violence.
Gandhiji was indeed a person to b reverred. I accept he had made some wrong decisions, n his poor treatment to netaji are points which r really matter of dissatisfaction. But he was the man who was really patriot n deserves to b called father of nation..India. He channelised the freedom struggle movement through nook n corners of cities n villages to courtyard of justice n finally to power centre of then india (british). Freedom struggle, which was earlier just a gossip n futile excercise in big n glorious drawing rooms of nehru n jinnah, got a whole new mantra n path. A person like gandhiji, who was worshipped by almost all the indians..be of ne religion or cast that time...can only b an imagination n dream now....
RE:Undoubtfully....HE WAS GREAT..!!
by jayeshdavda on Apr 07, 2008 01:13 PM Permalink
feeling nice to know that u respect him.most of the young failed to understand him and thats why cant appreciate him well. netaji was extent of patriosm but to take support from japan his foolish. if japan had won the war then right now we are just serving the japanees people. they come in to war just because they wants to increase their land area. they are as bad as hitlar.and i think english people are better then japaniz. well this is my view, am not telling gandhiji is perfact man but he is near about. u must read 'satya na prayogo' autobiography of gandhiji. u will come to know the height of that great man.
RE:Undoubtfully....HE WAS GREAT..!!
by A Singh on Apr 07, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
Gandhi was not worshipped by all Indians. You must know that a true Muslim cannot worship anyone except Allah. Throughout his life, Gandhi ket trying that the Muslims accept him as their leader. This never happened. His role in freedom struggle is highly overstated. If Gandhi got us freedom, he got it as a biproduct of his Muslims First policy.
RE:Undoubtfully....HE WAS GREAT..!!
by Arnav Singh on Apr 07, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
I know not by all..thats y i said "almost all". As far as muslims r concerned...they also had major portion loving gandhiji. Dont hate him fren....can u imagine a single person today who can treat everyone equal, without ne partiality, who will attack no one n be daring enough to spend much life in jail....n then also do not want himself or his children b seated on highest chair of this nation....?? He surely had weaknesses n mistakes on his part..but they r not taller than him....
RE:Undoubtfully....HE WAS GREAT..!!
by A Singh on Apr 07, 2008 12:14 PM Permalink
Gandhi was no patriot. His stature was so tall, that he could not be expected to be loyal to one country. This taught Nehru to try to become a World Leader, being a Prime Minister of a third world country. How dearly we have paid for Nehru's ambition of winning a Nobel Prize.
RE:Undoubtfully....HE WAS GREAT..!!
by Sesh on Apr 07, 2008 12:07 PM Permalink
@arnv singh,
The unity was created as a result of the common feeling of suppression and for want of a better and consistent leadership, the masses followed Gandhi...
RE:Remembering Mahatma & his message
by alert on Apr 07, 2008 11:41 AM Permalink
it is a pity you have not tried to understand the father of our nation who is father of entire human race today. You even dont know how india is respected through out the world just for GANDHI alone... leave other aspects like intelligence,hardworking nature,family values,religious tolerance,god fearing,culture,music,veda,yoga etc etc... Who said India has been destroyed? Please think coolly...
RE:Remembering Mahatma & his message
by Sesh on Apr 07, 2008 11:52 AM Permalink
With due respect to the man's determination, it has to be said that Gandhi has taught us to be well-behaved cowards...
Tolerance beyond a certain limit is cowardice...
One does not need a Gandhi to learn or imbibe values and tolerance; of course the world respects him... that does not take away the other side (or side effects) of his stubborness and cowardice...
It does not mean that one is jumping over the head if his perception does not match with the sympathisers of Gandhi...
RE:Remembering Mahatma & his message
by A Singh on Apr 07, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Thogh, no fan of Gandhi, I must correct you where you are wrong. Gandhi did not teach us to be cowards. If one person has got the power to teach the entire race to be cowards, there has got to be something wrong with the race. The fact is; that we have always been cowards, and that is why, Gandhi appealed so much to us. I would like to refer you to 'Madhyakaaleen Bharat Ka Itihas' by Prof Ashirwadilal Shrivastava. In the chapter describing Allauddin Khilji's rule, it has been mentioned that in those days, there was a law, which forced Hindus to open their mouths to accept Paan-spit from Muslims' mouths, if Muslims so desired. Hindus did not protest once. A race that has tolerated this much does not need Gandhi to make them cowards.
RE:Remembering Mahatma & his message
by alert on Apr 07, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
We are under the illusion that carrying sword and fighting with blood shed alone is brave otherwise cowardice. How sad?. Tackling intelligently without blood shed and achieving what we want is superior.
RE:Remembering Mahatma & his message
by Pappu on Apr 07, 2008 12:47 PM Permalink
could you pls let me know one good work of MK Gandhi ?? if not i can tell me 5 good work done by gandhi.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH MHATMA .TO REMEMBER.IS IT CONGRESS'S AND MUSLIMS"BAPU,THE FATHER OF THEIE NATION"IF IT IS THAT MHATMA,THEN I FEEL SORRY TO SAY THE TIME HAS CHANGED MY DEAR.YOUR MAHATMA AND YOUR "CHACHA"NEHRU WERE THE AGENTS OF THE BRIYISH RULERS.TELL ME ONE INCIDENCE WHEN TME BAPU AND CHACHA GOT ANY LATHI BLOW WHEN THE INDIANS WERE GETTING BULLETS ON THEIR CHEST.WHY "BAL,PAL AND LAL" NEVER FAVOURED BAPU AND CHACHA.WHY SARDAR PATEL AND SUBASH CHANDER BOSE NEVER LIKED THEIR POLICES.WHY BANKIM CHANDER CHATTERJCC.C.R.DASS,ARVINDO GOSH AND MANY OTHER ACTUAL LEADERS NEVER JOINED CONGRESS OF BAOU CHACHA COMBINATION.WHY SHAMA PARSAD MUKERJEE.JAIPARKASH NARAYAN LEFT THE CONGRESS.DON'T EXPECT FRON THE INDIANS THAT THEY WILL FOLLOW BAPU'S AND CHACHA'S POLICES.GONE ARE THE DAYS WHRN PEOPLE USE TO REMEMBER THEM
RE:MHATMA--WHICH MHATMA YOU ARE TALKING
by alert on Apr 07, 2008 11:46 AM Permalink
Just having diffrences of opinion with Gandhi cannot make everyone the greatest. It is the sustaining power, self belief, convincing power,eternal durabilty of gandhian policies all make GANDHI greatest indian of the 20 th century.
RE:MHATMA--WHICH MHATMA YOU ARE TALKING
by alert on Apr 07, 2008 11:59 AM Permalink
Without Gandhi we would have not got the freedom so easily with the least blood shed.. He is greatest because being in politics still being so good gained the acceptabilty of the majority of indians. He achieved everything with people's support. donr forget tht part.
RE:MHATMA--WHICH MHATMA YOU ARE TALKING
by Sesh on Apr 07, 2008 12:03 PM Permalink
Yes, he was instrumental in the struggle for independence... I agree that any struggle otherwise would have shed more blood; but again, the patriotism and the levels of unity also would have been much more greater...
And Gandhi's meddling hand in the administration would have been avoided...
While independence was still in the nascent stage, Gandhi's muslim appeasement and one-sided policies became the root cause of Hindu-Muslim hatred...
RE:MHATMA--WHICH MHATMA YOU ARE TALKING
by alert on Apr 07, 2008 12:09 PM Permalink
How do you say more blood shed will create more patriotism?? In fact it is the other way about..more forgiving nature will induce less hatred..Gandhi simply followed pure hindu vedantic policy in a practical manner.
RE:MHATMA--WHICH MHATMA YOU ARE TALKING
by Sahadevan KK on Apr 07, 2008 01:54 PM Permalink
Sangh Parivar killed Gandhi as well as Mother India how they killed Sriram. Now its leaders and running here and there to capture the reign.
We the greatest beneficieries of His leadership have forgotten his ideals completely and pay just lip service for selfish motives.It is time we revive his teachings both in letter and spirit to save the country from disaster and doom specially from our present day money driven politicians.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by prakash haranahalli on Apr 07, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
MK Gandhi was a nice person but, I don't think he was a good leader. If you look back to our freedom fighting days, its true from many peoples' biographies that Gandhi was eccentric, demanding, filled with ego, dictatorial, manipulative and always tried to suppress the people who wanted to come up. Also it is true that through-out his freedom struggle, he always pleased the Muslim brothers. He never payed any homage to leaders like Bhaghat Singh, SC Bose. He was very much determined in his work, but he has used that for both good and bad means. So, that way, Gandhi was(is) an ordinary man. It was SC Bose who called Gandhi as Bapu / Father of Nation. But, unfortunately, Gandhi never honoured SC Bose! so poor politics!!!
RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by shatrudhaprasad on Apr 07, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
Well....any person has his faults....Gandhi had his....and I don't completely accept your view points.
1) He didn't do anything for Bhagat Singh though he could have. He said that doing something would have meant supporting violence. I agree that this was wrong because Bhagat Singh's intention was to wake up Britishers to reality of India, not to kill anybody, but then Bhagat Singh was hanged for Kakori case, where his group looted arms and ammunition, killing British soldiers. This was wrong.
2) SC Bose believed in taking the support of Hitler for India's independence. Gandhi believed that Hitler is as much a problem as British. And infact much more. So he didn't support SC Bose. But I agree that he was somewhere egoistic in ensuring Congress didn't support him as president.
3) Gandhi was not involved in pleasing anybody, least of all Muslims. The fact is that he was against Partition, but Jinnah and Nehru ensured that it occurred. He just wanted violence to end because in his own words ' An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'.
4) Finally, he was not dictatorial. The fact is he believed in panchayats being most powerful, followed by state and then central govt's being least powerful. We introduced an opposite concept. Moreover, Gandhi was against cities because he thought city people were cut off from their culture and could be communalised easily, and this is true as most of riots have taken place in cities. He wanted villages to be at forefront.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by alert on Apr 07, 2008 12:04 PM Permalink
why baghat singh? you can mention hundreds of individuals like that which has no logic. Gandhi's work is to earn freedom for indian people using non-violence method.. How much he succeeded...whether any other would have done better is the question.. ofcourse we have to conclude that GANDHI was god sent to get the freedom for india in the most appropriate manner setiing example to the entire universe.
RE:RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by jayeshdavda on Apr 07, 2008 01:38 PM Permalink
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RE:RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by jayeshdavda on Apr 07, 2008 01:35 PM Permalink
bhagat loves freedom and love is blind. he just wants nation to wake up and for that he decided to to go for dead , u know nothing like that happened.why bhagat has not escaped after bombing in the assembly? why he had not go for the mercy appeal? he has done whatever he wants to do, gandhiji is not involved in bhagats any deed.gandhiji has told him to send mercy appeal the young will be needed to construct the nation. watever bhagat has done is right i respect him alot but nothing happened as he was thinking.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by jayeshdavda on Apr 07, 2008 01:25 PM Permalink
i think bapu word is given by vinoba bhave or somebody else but not by bose ji.gandhiji is respected by all the freedom fighter mind well it. but they have difference in thoughts.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by Arnav Singh on Apr 07, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
Look...we have to think again wen we say against gandhiji. You think Sardar Patel, Netaji etc were so great, patriot n all...n yes they indeed were..they dont need our approval for that. But just give a thought on.." Why were so great n patriot people loved, followed n respected gandhiji...??" Isnt this reason enough for us to have known that gandhiji was greater in some extent than them...!!Netaji's protest against bapu was based on ideological differences.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by Harishchandra on Apr 07, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
Gandhi was not a political leader as we understand the words today-he was basically a social leader who got used by Nehru and Patel.As for his pleasing the muslims goes he was indebted to them from South Africa itself where rich Gujrati Muslims helped and financed his endeavour.
RE:Mahatma Gandhi
by alert on Apr 07, 2008 11:55 AM Permalink
Totally wrong... Gandhi was the greatest human being india has producd who could get freedom easily for india with barest minimum blodd shed using his intelligence,godliness,non violence,truth,love,respect for all human being. The proof we see today that india is far superior to our neighbour countries... why... far superior to most of the countries in the world.. all because of Gandhi,nehru,patel,indira gandhi,PVN,DrManmohan singh,vajapyee...
