Morover, every year Karnataka gets more rainfall due to south west monsoon along the western ghats similar to kerala whereas TN is in water shadow region but gets from North east monsoon primarily by cyclones. About 8 years back,the north east monsoon failed and karnataka failed to release even half of the allocated water, farmers were at the verge of collapse as all the three types of paddy crops destryed due to severe drought. TN Govt again came to the rescue by waiving all the loans provided by Tamilnadu Cooperative societies. The good thing is that TN farmers never borrow money from money lenders and hence survive even during acute crisis.
Everytime Karnataka cried that it was meted out injustice by the Supreme court and the Tribunal and denied to obey the orders vehementely. Supreme court and tribunal ordered based on the all the points described by the previous posts and much more. Remember the centre sends grievence committee every year to these states to access the situation. Its TN who suffered despite of the court's order. I am sure Karnataka people are always misguided and provoked by their politicians and vedike activists regarding these facts for their narrow political gains. But the irony is Tamilnadu and its people are always blamed for these issues. Its like punishing the victims. I found some north indian friends who are mixing up Hindi/Tamil(or Ram setu) debate with this issue and abuse Tamils. If you dont know, kindly refrain from making such absurd comments By meting out severe injustice to TN people on all these issues, now they are hell bent to derail the drinking water supply project(which they have already agreed in exchange of Bangalore water supply project) to two heavily water starved districts of northern TN(that too from TN's side). Have humanistic feelings towards your brothers and sisters.
Cauvery flows for a distance of 475 miles from Coorg hills in Karnataka to Bayof Bengal in southeastward direction. It travels for ~100 miles inside Karnataka. KN constructed an artificial channel of 72 miles inside KN to divert water to more areas. In TN, it travels nearly 320 miles baring Pondicherry. Karnataka built two huge dams namely Krishrajasagar(KRS) and Kabini for 100 miles whereas TN has a major reservoir in Mettur and a comparatively smaller but ancient Grand Anicut(Kallanai - built ny Karikalachola 1700 years ago) for 320 mile lengthy river.
Water is stored in KRS and Kabini reservoirs in full throughout the year and release less quantity than the allocated share. Whenever there is heavy rainfall in water catchment area (i.e.Western ghats), excess water is suddenly released flooding the whole heavily cultivated plains of TN forcing people to live in distress. Karnataka uses TN just as the drainage channel to let excess water.
Now readers can tell us who is acting as the big brother and who suffers?.
Hogenakkal is not a dispute area in official records. The largest bank is inside Tamilnadu and has been developed by Tamilnadu Tourism for decades together and this place can be reached by entering tamilnadu only. Tourists from Bangalore have to travel to Dharmapuri, Pennagaram and then arrive at Hogenakkal. They travel nearly 150 km inland TN to reach Hogenakkal. The smaller bank at karnataka's side is totally inaccesible by roads and is not maintained by KN's Tourism. Only illicit liquor is sold there. Suddenly a place cannot be claimed without records. During Veerappan's time, those who are claiming now never even dreamt of that. Now they are forging into the TN's side ib boats and abuse TN boatsmen. I have seen this by myself.
Cauvery river flows in three districts of karnataka (Coorg, Mysore and Mandya) whereas it flows in 9 districts of Tamilnadu namely Dharmapuri,Salem,Erode,Karur,Trichy,Tanjore,Tiruvarur, Nagapattinam,Kumbakonam and merges in Bay of Bengal at Kaveripoompattinam(Pondicherry). The land cultivated with Cauvery in TN than that of Karnataka geographically. Cauvery is not a major river when compared to Krishna in Karnataka(but it is projected in contrary to the fact). Coorg is hilly and has less agricultural land whereas the two districts namely Mysore and Mandya rely on Cauvery for agriculture. But in Tamilnadu, cauvery flows in highly cultivated 8 districts (these lands are irriagted for thousands and thousands of years). In fact, Karikala cholan built Kallanai(stone dam) 1700 years ago across Cauvery(this is the oldest usable dam in the world today). Karnataka is a huge state(bigger than TN) and it just not consists only these 3 districts. Most of the western, Central and North Karnataka people never involve themselves in this dispute(they constitute nearly 80% of the total population). The central and north Karnataka are underdeveloped and only the south Karnataka comprising in and around Bangalore and Mysore are developed due to IT. The central Karnataka though a highly water fed region(thanks to the sprawling western ghats and its rain forests) has not seen development in terms of educational institutions, food management and other social issues.
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 04, 2008 08:18 PM Permalink
contd, Most of the north central and north east karnataka are dry and it witnessed the highest number of farmer suicides in KN this crop year.
This sorry state of affairs exists because KN politics is dominated by people belonging to southern districts. Thatswhy, time and again they make this cauvery issue a major political drama. This is not the same with Krishna river eventhough a water sharing dispute exists between Karnataka and Andhra over Krishna river.
But in TN, Cauvery if the lifeline and thatswhy if the water is deficient, crores of people are affected. Even then, TN never witnessed farmer suicides as in Maharastra and KN beacuse some of the populist movements by TN govt. TN is highly industrialised and the development is equally spread. During Crisis, they move to places like Tiruppur, Sivakasi, Madurai etc for their livelihood. Only people from dharmapuri and Krishnagiri districts move to Bangalore as it is closer.
I find many people from Karnataka and TN arguing as to where exactly is HK Falls. Being a Kannadiga I am proud to say that the name of HK Falls is derived from "Hoge" - smoke, and "Kallu" - stones, i.e., smokes emanating from stones. But, let me quote the bare facts now:
Cauvery originates in Karnataka at Talakaveri and exits the state near Muthathi in Chamarajanagar district at the Latitude/Longitudes: 12N12, 77E34. It stays in TN for a very short route from this point (which can be accessed from Pennaguram in Dharmapuri district in TN) upto 12N6'40" 77E46'30". It then re-enters karnataka for some short time. It is at this boundary between Karnataka and TN, that Hogenakkal Falls exits. Hence HK Falls belongs equally to both states (it can be approached from both states). The north part of the Falls is in TN, while the southern and majority part of the HK Falls is in Karnataka. Cauvery again re-enters TN at 11N54'37" 77E45'20", which is where stanley reservoir is built.
Hence, the bottom line is that HK Falls EQUALLY belongs to Karnataka and TN, or rather it is a National Property. Hence, TN doesnt have any exclusive right to build dams at this point, since water which flows later from this point re-enters Karnataka and affects farmers in this region of Karnataka.
RE:useful information by INDIAN
by Jaisimha Viswanathan on Apr 06, 2008 10:46 AM Permalink
yes hogenekkal may be derived from kannada but kannada itself is derived from Tamil as the following explanation will convince any wise soul.
hoge in tamil is pronounced as pogai and kal = kallu or kal in tamil also has the same meaning as stone.
a word similarly pronounced is hogi = poe in tamil which means go
These politicians are good for nothing... the BJP's are good for nothing, this is jst a tactic to gain votes, people plz don't get into such crap... If the state's wouldn't have been there then such a problem will not arise.. people dont care if it's tamils or kanadigas, plz keep in mind that we are INDIANS, let the dogs fight b/w themselves. There are lot other issues to be fought on.. plz think abt those...
Guru Basavanna founded a new Relegion called " Lingayata". Few contemporaries like Siddharama called it as "Basava Dharma" as it was founded by Guru Basavanna is a non-Hindu, non-Vedic Faith for following reasons: - Hinduism has no one single founder where as Lingayatism has Lord Basavanna as its founder-prophet. - Hinduism based on the preachings of Vedas, Agamas, Bhagawadgita, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Bhagawata, etc. where as Basavanna questioned the authority of all these Hindu Scriptures and rejected many of the tenets contained therein. Vachana literature which opposed four-fold caste system, untouchability, polytheism, inequality and preached equality, monotheism etc. is the authoritative source of knowledge for Lingayats. - Main ritual of Hinduism is Homa, Yajna and Sacrifice. Lingayat religion totally rejects and opposes such rituals. - Hinduism considers places like Kashi, Tirupathi etc as holy and rivers like Ganga, Yamuna etc as sacred. It believes visiting of such places and taking dip in holy rivers will absolve all sins committed. Lingayatism does not consider any such places on earth as holy and any river or pond as sacred and mere dip in water will absolve all sins. Concept of sin and merit in Hinduism and Lingayatism is completely different. - Lingayats do not chant either Geeta or Gayatri, do not worship either Ganga or Govu. - Hinduism believes in 5 pollutions- pollution of birth, death, caste, menstruation and orts. Lingayatism rejects these 5 pollutio
RE:Why is Yediruppa, Anti-Hindu Lingayat Heading BJP??
by Prakash Nair on Apr 04, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
Boss, like this there are innumerous new path seekers in hinduism. In Kerala also ( where i come from ) there were many. That is the diversity of hinduism and it is its greatness... Finally everybody gets merged with hinduism. Even christians and muslims are first hindus... then only christians and muslims.. remember we had atheists at the time of vedas itself. That is the magnanimity of hinduism..!!! We regard Basavanna as one of our great spiritual leader and respect him to the utmost level. No doubt about that.....
Karunanidhi's speech is absolutely ok. He told that there is limit to everything. First time in his life he has spoken meaningfully.
But he is a great opportunist and a hypocrite. He may be a great scholar in tamil but all his ministers are good for nothing and are political gundas. Each academic year they propose new Government orders to spoil education. Also Jayalalitha is the same. Birds of same feather flock together. The Dravida parties (DMK, ADMK, DK , MDMK, etc) introduced anti-Hindi protest in tamilnadu some 30 years ago. Now we the people are reaping its benefits. We cant even interact with other state people. ("Kinathu thavalai" - meaning "frog in the well")
They also made the caste system worser. Also TN is the only state where the reservation stands at 69%, which is well above the 50% limit specified by Supreme court. Its all due to vote bank politics.
Also another thing is everyone in TN knows that that person behind former DMK minister Radhakrishnan's murder is Karunanidhi's son Alagari (Also for dinakaran office fire incident). But no action is taken against him. TN is in hands of morons. No political person is 100% perfect (in TN not even 1% perfect). It may be the same case with Karnataka too..
I dont know about their politicians.. There will be some cheap third rated politicians involved in creating vengeance in Karnataka people too..
People please dont be carried away by such politicians and think on your own.
RE:Cheap Politicians
by bala chandran on Apr 04, 2008 11:43 PM Permalink
I would recommend you to go back and study why TN opposed Hindi. In a free country like India, people must have the right to chose the language they learn/speak. TN did not oppose Hindi language, it opposed the fact the Hindi is Mandatory, the fact that everyone must learn it..whether you like it or not.
Would it not be simple to have just one language? carp -- Would it not be simple to have one religion? one god? one country? one sports?
RE:RE:Cheap Politicians
by Bala on Apr 10, 2008 03:02 AM Permalink
Accept your things and not hindi-imposition... learn the facts b4 putting in words... Many enjoy the globalised india today because of what you said TN did 30 yrs back (the fact is its more than 30 yrs back and pre-dates india independence).
