Scientists fled to non-islamic places like Kerala and gave bith to "Kerala school of mathematics" which per latest research even influenced Issac Newton.
RE:Science, math declined in India, Central Asia, Iran.............and most of the middle east during Islamic period
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:15 AM Permalink
I can tell you who influenced Newton.I have read crest of peacock and the non-european roots of mathematicis by verghees. I bet you - If you have read this book - you wouldnt be talking rubbish about the contribution of Islam in the development of modern scince. Verghees has dedicated many chapters -just on Islamic impact alone
RE:Science, math declined in India, Central Asia, Iran.............and most of the middle east during Islamic period
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:25 AM Permalink
Here is the pdf on who is indeed the main motivation behind calculus
macalester.edu/~bressoud/pub/cbn1.pdf
This reasercher has singled out Abul Hazen as the influential figure in calclus
...Abu Ali al-Hasan ibn al-Haytham (also known by the Latinized form of his name: Alhazen) was one of the great Arab mathematicians. He was born in Basra, Persia, now in southeastern Iraq. Sometime after 996, he moved to Cairo, Egypt where he became associated with the University of Al-Azhar, founded in 970. He was prolific, writing over 90 books, and is most famous for his work in astronomy and optics. His interest in mathematics ranged over algebra, geometry, and number theory. I focus on him because he is the first person I know of to have integrated a fourth-degree polynomial.
RE:RE:Science, math declined in India, Central Asia, Iran.............and most of the middle east during Islamic period
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:27 AM Permalink
And do you know who is he?
Chair, MAA-s Committee on the Undergraduate Program in Mathematics President-elect, Mathematical Association of America
RE:Science, math declined in India, Central Asia, Iran.............and most of the middle east during Islamic period
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Apr 02, 2008 04:16 AM Permalink
I am talking abt his new reserach, yet to be published.
RE:Science, math declined in India, Central Asia, Iran.............and most of the middle east during Islamic period
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Apr 02, 2008 04:16 AM Permalink
There were press reports only on his new findings.
RE:RE:Science, math declined in India, Central Asia, Iran.............and most of the middle east during Islamic period
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:27 AM Permalink
And do you know who is he?
Chair, MAA-s Committee on the Undergraduate Program in Mathematics President-elect, Mathematical Association of America
RE:Science, math declined in India, Central Asia, Iran.............and most of the middle east during Islamic period
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Apr 02, 2008 04:28 AM Permalink
RE:Balaroad is a French Islamist- in his own words
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:17 AM Permalink
Is quoting Ameican mathematical instituion a crime now?
RE:Balaroad is a French Islamist- in his own words
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:16 AM Permalink
I may be a Islamist - I cant coin a sentence in French - It is just i got this from a french friend in US. By the way stop this childish play of some one watching my Ip and all these nonsense.
Muslims countries themselves responsible for marginalization. They are not so open minded, these countries don;t have religious freedom for non muslims. Muslim countries discriminates a lot to their own non-muslims citizens. These kind of ideology encourage fundamantlism. Poverty and terrorism are not very much linked, poverty and crime are linked. And religious terrorism a crime not comes from poverty. First these countries should have to understand that where they stand. Muslims countries and follwers need to be moderate and otherwise this polarization will increase.
RE:Who marginalised Muslims countries
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 04:00 AM Permalink
Islam is the problem, it destroys every good thing. Creativity is the light of God, God is the ultimate creator but HE shares this talent of creativity with humans, look that these poor Arabs, they had the creative light of God, and Islam destroyed it as it is the prime purpose of Satan to destroy God's good work. Look at pakistan, it was destroyed by Islam while India continues to kindle in the light of God. Look at All Islamic countries, the light has been extinguished by Islam.
Before the arrival of Islam there, What is now southern Afghanistan- were the learning centers of the Indian sub-continet. People fro what is now India (both north and south) use to to and study there in there univesities. That was more than a 1000 years ago. Now the same people grow beards, some lives in caves, some sells their daughters to pay debts, some live like retards.
Amazing what islam did to them- but hey they will ow defend islam with their lifes.
RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:05 AM Permalink
Naipaul is neither a historuan nor a scientist-He is good at story telling..before reading Naipoul's book , read about Naipaul!!! He perfectly used the post sep 11 situation to his advantage and churned out garbages like wonded civilization- The nobel comitte might now be weeping for this colossal mistake
RE:RE:RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:10 AM Permalink
Amartya sen is not a story teller -he is a economist!!!And I havent seen any scathing remark against Amartya sen in intellectual circles as it is done against self loathing Naipaul
RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:58 AM Permalink
Islam is the problem, it destroys every thing. Creativity is the light of God, look that these poor Arabs, they had the creative light of God, and Islam destroyed it as it is the prime purpose of Satan to destroy God's good work. Look at pakistan, it was destroyed by Islam while India continues to kindle in the light of God. Look at All Islamic countries, the light has been extinguished by Islam.
RE:RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:07 AM Permalink
Are living in US?According to you islam extinguished the light of science but according to the national curriculum of US scholl text books -it laid the foundations of modern science- whom to belive?
RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 04:10 AM Permalink
Can you explain how Southern afghanistan came from mighty civilization to cave dewllers by the apperance of islam?
RE:RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:11 AM Permalink
Ask your British masters how they destryoed the country and went back weeping Ask the russion criminals who lost their tail and went crying-they will tell how it got destryoed
RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 04:13 AM Permalink
pictures from the british at that time - showed the afghan as savages, good warriors, but with no mighty civlization , more like savages to be precise- just like now.
RE:Do you guys know the history of Afghaistan
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:21 AM Permalink
National science teachers association - the authority in school text books
..Studying the history of science helps students develop a sense of science (and mathematics) as a dynamic, human enterprise, and also provides a better understanding of the role that science has played in the development of various cultures. By coming to appreciate the immense contributions of Arab-Islamic scientists and scholars, students develop a deeper understanding of the foundations of modern science..
BIRTH PLACE OF DR SALAM, JHANG, A SMALL TOWN IN PAKI PUNJAB, IS NOW KNOWN MORE FOR JEHADI GROUP LASHKAR-E-JHEGAVI (its founder was from Jhang, thus the name).
RATHER, AS PER LATEST RESERACH, SCIENTISTS, REASERACHERS FROM NORTHERN INDIA WERE SO MUCH PERSECUTED THEY FLED TO KERALA- AND DEVELOPED MATHEMATICS- KERALA MATHEMATICS, WHICH IS SAID TO HAVE INFLUENCED EVEN NEWTON THRO' MISSIONARY PORTUGESE.
After it became Islamized, its fortune started falling.
So much so, even South Africa, a country which endured savaged onslaught of racism for centuries, quickly recovered and now overtaken Egypt as leader of Africa!
RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:49 AM Permalink
I can only pity you.Under Islamic civilization Egypt was not a seperate country - but part of huge flourishing civilization with Bagdhad as the capital and Damsacus as the capital for some time. Do you know the splendour of Baghdad? here is a short history on this from Mathemcatical association of america about the house of wisdom in Bagdhad
maa.org/devlin/devlin_0708_02.html
who is Kieth devlin - The author of that article?
stanford.edu/~kdevlin/
So dont vomit your knowledge of islam by saying why Egypt was not prosperous when its modern boundries were laid out after the fall of ottaman empire..
RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:52 AM Permalink
Let me be without brain?but where is your intellectault reply Mr.Tathagata on Egypt?
RE:RE:RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:00 AM Permalink
people win and lose in a war - losing is not a sign of weakness-but to get killed in millions because of fasicit europe and to die without a protest and use proxies to fight their war is the real weakness.
RE:RE:RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:01 AM Permalink
My name has a french meaning- go an check the dictionary -if you want? Have yoiu ever heard any Indian having my name like balaord- it is neither Hindu nor arabic
RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:52 AM Permalink
I guess I only have a simple question for you.
Why did the science stop after Islam came? Even if I accept the splendour of pre Islamic eras, why did the science stop when Islam was followed in these countries? If science did not stop even in India that was occupied by many people, if India could produce Raman, Ramanujan, Chandrasekah, Bose (all noble prize winners) and Vishwanathan Anand(world no 1 in chess) why could Islamic world not produces anyone in the past 800 years?
RE:RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:03 AM Permalink
I think you rate civilizationsd and its intellectual stimulas using chess champions is it?
RE:RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:54 AM Permalink
All the good people Islam have produced are apostates. People like Dr. Adbus Salam, an apostate who refused Mohammad being prophet. Dr Salman Rushdie a great writer who said Quran is from Satan. Why? What is wrong with Islam, any intellignet Muslim breaks away from it?
RE:RE:RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:58 AM Permalink
Mr.Lotan potan - I have my own share of Mathematical publications on leading journals so dont talk like a stupid!!!
RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 04:03 AM Permalink
Oh really, can you tell me what NP Completeness? I just need a colloquial definition not copy pasted formally from a google site or wikipedia.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 04:02 AM Permalink
My name has a french meaning- go an check the dictionary -if you want? Have yoiu ever heard any Indian having my name like balaord- it is neither Hindu nor arabic
RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:48 AM Permalink
ALL OF BALAORDS URLS SAY THAT THESE DISCOVERY WAS MADE BY POOR IRAQIS IN 800 AD BEFORE ISLAM CAME.
ISLAM CAME AND DESTROYED EVERYTHING. THESE PEOPLE WERE GOOD, LOOK AT WHAT ISLAM DID TO THEM. IT MADE THEM ANIMALS FROM HUMANS. IT TOOK AWAY THEIR CONCSCIENCE AND INTELLIGENCE AND MADE THEM SUB HUMAN TERRORISTS WITH NO CREATIVITY AND NO RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE.
ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM.
BALOAORD, TEACH THESE PEOPLE TO GIVE UP ISLAM I AM SURE THEY ARE HUMANS AND GOD GAVE THEM BRAIN THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO HUMANITY LIKE THE PRE ISLAMIC ERAS.
RE:RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:50 AM Permalink
Keith devlin - says As mathematician we are all children of Islam - such is the impact of Islamic civilization on Mathematics
But in your vastness of history of science you are trying to debunk the mathematical association of america..
RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:56 AM Permalink
I read and cut and paste and I am not ashamed of it but i think you had all the information right into your head when you were born
RE:Look at contrasting fortunes of Egypt and South Africa
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 06:02 AM Permalink
have you installed any software that turns the page upside down? The articles are categorical-Let the readers decide
RE:If Quran is dictated by Allah, and Muhamud was his Stenographer
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:38 AM Permalink
You dont have a problem with islam - you have a problem with Math.Thats why the precedence of operator doesnt gets drilled into your head. Go and challenge a Muslim speaker in fornt of the crowd - how many conferences you want in US alone?
RE:If Quran is dictated by Allah, and Muhamud was his Stenographer
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:46 AM Permalink
Ali Sena has given an open challenge to all muslims to prove his site wrong. many have tried and failed like Ayatollah of Iran. Zakir Naik ran away from the challenge as he can only do trickeries in front of a supportive stupid islamic crowd and cannot do a real online debate with real proofs and calm arguments.
RE:If Quran is dictated by Allah, and Muhamud was his Stenographer
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:55 AM Permalink
Ayotallah is like pujaris - there are out there in iran in every street.There are mini to maxi ayotallahs all over iran. If AliSina has the courage of conviction - let him come in the open atleast let him come for a voice debate.. Stupid Alisina has given 50,000 dollor challenge for Islam-laughable - Muslim countries are buying parts of NASDAQ and OMX. I myself can pay 200000 dollors - His 50,000 challenge and my foot!!!
RE:If Quran is dictated by Allah, and Muhamud was his Stenographer
by Verghese on Apr 02, 2008 03:38 AM Permalink
Your God, if he is a God , has power over all the things..If not he is not God.God is not like a cloth that you can put on or leave whenever you like.
RE:When Muslims invaded Jerusalem, they did NOT know how to count
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:36 AM Permalink
And thats how they managed to rule the then world from east to west including pasrt of india for so many centuries??? If these guys are that idiot that what about the subjects they ruled?
RE:When Muslims invaded Jerusalem, they did NOT know how to count
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Apr 02, 2008 03:39 AM Permalink
They copied later on. IT WAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM. AREAS LATER CONQUORED BY MUSLIMS, LIKE IRAN, EGYPT, ANATOLIA, INDIA WERE RICH IN SCIENCE, PHILOSOPHY.
EVEN QURAN IS A POOR MAN'S COPY FROM EXISTING RELIGION LIKE JUDAISM.
