There is one common sense every one should have is after minimum Nuclear wepon power there is no sence in getting more, because this can only lead to killing eveyone at sometime.
As far as security is concerned getting everyone killed is no way of secure ourshelf. Better approach will go for nuclear deal, make ur economy boost, if your economy is going good then u have more money for making ammunation factory, buying missiles and many other things. Even buying better aircraft/missel which can be used to drop N-wepons. This deal will can acheive both in terms of defence and Economy.
India has a rich Nuclear material reserve, where we can build our own nuclear reactors and utilize the nuclear material for power and other utilities rather than depending on the other countries...US is trying other countries to depend on them and US want to maintain their superPower Position..
RE:No to N-Deal
by Aravind Dupaguntla on Sep 18, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
India does hav a lot of plutonium but not much recoverable resources of uranium. Rite now our technology has not developed to use plutonium... so why not take help from outside in the short term and when our technology develops we can shift to plutonium avbl in here???
RE:No to N-Deal
by Sugata Banerji on Sep 19, 2007 12:08 AM Permalink
Many fools above don't understand these facts and start frowning like imbeciles. Sometimes I really feel India does not deserve to be democratic because most of the people who vote are not educated enough to judge what is good or bad. They simply follow emotion and that brought disaster - always. Give the voting right to those who are educated and have the acumen to analyze data to get to the right decision even if the number can be low. Then we can have a society based on some reason not on false promises with wrong aspirations.
RE:No to N-Deal
by Golden on Sep 19, 2007 12:52 AM Permalink
first you define what is education. is togadia educated who distributes trident, is BJP a party of educated people who destroy others worship places and instigate communal hatred and create the atmosphere of calamity? if yes then we need uneducated people to form govt. not these bunch of butchers.
RE:No to N-Deal
by Mayank Agarwal on Sep 19, 2007 01:03 AM Permalink
There was absolutely no need to divert this topic and I repeat THIS TOPIC to talk about Togadia, BJP or worship places. This is what probably Sugata meant when he said educated people. We are discussing Nuclear power but still you found a way to Togadia, BJP and worship places.
RE:No to N-Deal
by nitin on Sep 19, 2007 02:53 AM Permalink
MOst of the scams in this country have been made by educated.....Harshad Mehata, Ketan Parekh, Chainrup Bhansali, LaluPrasad Yadav (M.A.)
RE:No to N-Deal
by cycube on Sep 18, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
oh really ? the 1st reactor at tarapur was built fee of cost by america, the rest by russians....hardly anything indigenous.
RE:No to N-Deal
by Harish kk on Sep 18, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
we have indigenously built nuclear warhead, i dont think its difficult to build the indigenous reactors
RE:No to N-Deal
by crazy on Sep 19, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
Harish...the problem for India is nuclear fuel. We can build our own reactors but unfortunately nuclear fuel for the reactors doesn't grow on trees.
These are not Kakodkar's ideas..these are government-orchestrated rhetoric...after all, he gets his salary from the government...The real position is that India will become slave to the US if this nuclear deal is operationalized (I am not a communist). Don't get emotional..Look through the details...you will know how the US has put all humiliating clauses and conditions in the Hyde Act and in the 123 agreement...Sonia, Manmohan, Kapil Sibal, etc. will keep talking big about energy security and all hi-gi stuff, while all their mind is on how to grab a BIG COMMISSION IN DOLLARS IN NUCLEAR PURCHASES, SINCE A LOT OF FOREIGN EXCHANGE RESERVES ARE WITH INDIA RIGHT NOW...While one cannot stop a foreigner like Sonia from looting India, what is saddening is that to what extent she can sell India to get that money...People have forgotten how Manmohan went to the US and signed the July 2005 statement like a thief, without any hint about it in India...and how the Cabinet as a whole has again did the signing quickly and stealthily like a bunch of thieves.. all this is because they know that they cannot properly defend the agreement..so, they want to dump the agreement on India, as a 'fait accompli'...DON'T FALL FOR SONIA AND OTHER CONGRESS PERSONS' DESIGNS FOR LOOTING INDIA'S BURGEONING FOREIGN EXCHANGE RESERVES..
RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by simon samuel on Sep 18, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
abe saale use ur mind to think will u able to pay for fuel if it goes to 100 and above , nuclear energy is a substitute for almost all power needs k , dnt blabber ur words just for sake k ....nd dont tell ur indian then u better f* k off
RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by Hinny Mule on Sep 18, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
Mr. High funda Raj,
I understood that you got some idea about n-deal from himalayan funda speaking people from PB calcatta. when you analysis the data, do it in a right way. in 60 years new indian history, nobody gain the political advantage to make the people dump and fool. whatever u learn from the wrong (Left) leader. even a common people know that we cant depend only on natural resource to generate electricity. if cabinet did in a speedy way to reach this level, just becoz they know people like you will be against such a 'turning point' movement.
RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by satish mankekar on Sep 19, 2007 02:11 AM Permalink
From SSM (continued ) The envisaged 123Agreement between India-USA, (after two years of tough bargaining by our diplmats,nuclear scientists and national security advisor)has far liberal stipulations than those imposed on China . For example India is allowed to reprocess spent fuel, without seeking permission .Our nominated power reactors will be inspected by IEAE and not by US inspectors.The coal soot belched into the atmosphere by our coal fired power stations , as also in China , is already having serious climatic effect ( both in India & China ), in the shape of very severe floods in many states & even in the deserts of Rajasthan. After signing such agreement, if China is following an independant foreign policy , why is there a fear that a great & economic powerhouse like India will be subjugated by USA . The India of today is not the India of 1960's when we were dependent on US PL-480 shipments of wheat to feed our nation.We still retained our independant foreign policy by voting against US sponsored UN resolutions on numerous occasions. We signed the Indo-Soviet Friedship Treaty in the 1970's and despite the doomesday sayers , kept our independant forign policy intact.If we could do that during the bipolar cold war era, when India was not so economically powerful; where is the fear now in a multi-polar world of being subjugated by USA.For further progress, raising our population above poverty-line,providing full employment and a better standard of living for all, w
RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by SUNIL SHARMA on Sep 18, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
all developed world along with russia and china use and depend on nuclear energy.russia is planning to produce another 25000 mw electricity in 10 to 15 years with the help of french nuclear reactors.also chinease are about to devlope another nuclear energy 30000 with the help of US.are they fools
RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by raghav k on Sep 18, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
yeah sunil u r right,all over the world there is more reliance on nuclear tech for power needs,one of the major obstacles for india's growth right now is power to run our industries and nuclear power will be able to provide a large chunk of the future need.having said that usa is a very notorius friend-we should get as much benifit as we can from this deal but in the process not give up our own research and development activities.May be we can add to our"BURGEONING FOREIGN EXCHANGE RESERVES" when we have more power(electricity) to run the industries!!
RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by apurva singh on Sep 18, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
no such work culture in india. everybody is sold. look at manmohan and co. same goes for this kakotkar. on the other hand, the nuclear deal is a good thing. it will bring us to our logical and beneficial alignment with US and away from our farcical nehruvian past.
RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by nitin on Sep 19, 2007 02:56 AM Permalink
Don't make baseless allegations you fool...... Come forward with proofs..... If you can doubt a man like Kakodkar who has invested his Life in BARC, then my friend u may doubt ur mother also.
RE:RE:Don't fall for government-orchestrated rhetoric..
by arup das on Sep 19, 2007 12:35 AM Permalink
Bap re bap hissa na milna per itna gussa! Is this the only resion other people lead the country for last session had tried more for their exchange then the country? brevo Indian Indian.
RE:CAN WE TRUST USA ?
by raj on Sep 18, 2007 10:55 PM Permalink
Mr. Gr Whom you gonna trust? China? Country which is occupying part of Indian territory.And occupying Tibet and creating problems in Hindu Nepal? Why you worry about Pakistan. That is there internal matter. Current Paki leader is better than having a radical Isalmist . Guess who will be the victim. Not USA .We will be the faced with huge problem. It is a blessing US is supporting current Paki leader. And speaking of trust , Would you trust China? Russia ? Old soviet union occupied entire eastern europe and denied freedom and democracy in those countries.Before you shoot your mouth about US , go learn history especially European , then you get the ful picture of Russia.
RE:CAN WE TRUST USA ?
by cycube on Sep 18, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
the ussr protected dictators in many parts of eastern europe, africa & afghanistan. china grabs territories such a stibet and parts of the republic of india.
The Indo-US nuclear deal issue shall prove to be the last nail in CPM's coffin. The Left [mostly CPM] have 'redefined' the term 'political irresponsibility' by such a pig-headed stance. They deserve to be thrown in the dustbin of politics.
RE:nuclear deal
by raj on Sep 18, 2007 11:25 PM Permalink
Surath Siddhanta, Do you know at the same time so many scientists supported the Indo-US nuclear agreement. Only "scientist" seems opposing this deal is your "pal" Mr.Karat.(China's agent)
RE:nuclear deal
by crazy on Sep 19, 2007 02:43 AM Permalink
i live in a small indian village. I dont have electricity for 18 hrs everyday. The govt says its becuse there is not enough electricity. Mr. Siddhanta...what is the solution to this problem. A solution that will solve my problem in next 2 yrs and not in next 10 or 20 yrs. nuclear deal with USA is the only solution for India.
Atleast please listen to what the West Bengal CM says. Is he not one among you CPI (M)? Please do not trust your other guys. They could still be the agents of China. Most probably the paid agents.
We need to improve. Fro that we need engery. Please do not stand on the way as a block.
RE:Nuclear issue for India
by Surath Siddhanta on Sep 18, 2007 09:49 PM Permalink
Why are you writing in such a bogus way. You should know first about discussing matter. Here you are attack a single man and try to divide one with another.After 3 months you will see what I was right and surely you do not know what the scientists are telling? I advise you please read the hide act and briefly know about nuclear deal then come the message boad and discuss. Good night.
RE:Nuclear issue for India
by raj on Sep 18, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
Surath Siddhanta You think if we sign a similar agreement with China or Russia , you think it wouldn't have any restritions? Any country you sign any agreement it is going to come with some rules and regulation. Nothing called FREE LUNCH. Growup. This the best deal India can get. Your China is not gonna make a deal with India. They dont want to see India as a developed nation. Countries which has close relationship with the US are doing great economically. Unike your Communist countries.
RE:RE:Nuclear issue for India
by crazy on Sep 19, 2007 02:49 AM Permalink
The fact is USA has a muscle to change the rules of Nuclear supplier group. No other country, even Russia has the muscle to do it. I would prefer if India can enter into similar agreement with Russia. Russia is our old and trusted friend. Unfortunately in this case its best to go ahead with USA.
RE:Nuclear issue for India
by Subhasish Ghosh on Sep 18, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
What is your understanding of the problems from Hyde Act (not Hide) and what are you concerns about the nuclear deal? The Hyde Act is an US act and applies to US actions. The worst that can mean for us is stopping of nuclear fuel and economic sanctions. And that also acc to the agreement ONLY AFTER the US President's authorization and evaluation. The only reason that will happen is if India carries out a nuclear test. So the criticial question is : Does it impose India a leal binding not to test (like a traty)? Answer is NO. What is the possibility of such a test ? Acc to most nuclear scientists- VERY remote And what if India HAD TO do such a test? National security takes priority and ofcourse, we will ahve to be ready to part some of our power production capabilities with emergency management (there is provision for emergency reserves).
RE:RE:Nuclear issue for India
by Subhasish Ghosh on Sep 18, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
Corrections: Does it impose India a legal binding not to test (like a treaty)? Answer is NO. What is the possibility of such a test ? Acc to most nuclear scientists- VERY remote And what if India HAD TO do such a test? National security takes priority but ofcourse, we will ahve to be ready to handle some of our power production capabilities with emergency management (there is provision for emergency reserves).
RE:Nuclear issue for India
by satish mankekar on Sep 18, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
from SSM. Gentlemen, the matter is simple Though India has the technology for nuclear reactors ,it does not have the required amount of Uranium deposits.Our present power-reactors are running at 40 to 60 percent capacity due to lack of Uranium. As India has not signed the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty , none of the 45 nations Nuclear Supplier's Group can supply either Uranium or latest technology to India.The leaders of this group are USA , Russia & EU nations. China was in a similar situation . But by signing a similar agreement with USA ,(inspite of more severe conditions imposed like prior permission of USA for reprocessing spent fuel and inspections of reactors by Uranium suppliers etc ) they signed the 123 Agreement and got on with the job. They are building 31 nuclear power reactors in the next 10 years or 3 nuclear power stations every year for next 10 years.Due to urgency they have signed agreements for import of many reactors from USA.They have signed an agreement with Australia ( world's richest Uranium ore reserves ) agreeing to stringent conditions like entry and inspection of their reactors by Australian inspectors to ensure IEAE safeguards.
RE:RE:Nuclear issue for India
by crazy on Sep 19, 2007 02:52 AM Permalink
you know guys...if India can develop at 10% p.a for next 10 yrs and then if we do Nuclear test then USA will be the first country to call up our PM and congratulate him. Money spins the world guys..We need to have a strong economy and then the world will be at our feet.
RE:Nuclear issue for India
by spm mishra on Sep 18, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
That is why there is need of educated people electing a sensible Govenrment rather than bunch of clowns , who make mockery of anything and everything.
RE:RE:Nuclear issue for India
by crazy on Sep 19, 2007 02:45 AM Permalink
exactly subhasish... the need of the hour for India is ELECTRICITY...If in future we need to do nuclear test then we can do it. Let break this contract. Hopefully by then we will be able to generate our own power.
