RE:Sleeping Maroon MAni
by Sanjay Jamdade on Sep 26, 2007 12:32 AM Permalink
There seems to be moving away from the topic here! Ram sethu and SC ST are two different topics!
Any ways when my SC/ST brothers will actually read the real Ramayana and Mahabharata they will understand that they are subject to brainwashing propaganda since their childhood!
The leaders in this Venomenous propaganda of course was "Periyar" whose chosen follower Karunanidhi is.
The "Daivi Varnashrama" which is mentioned in the Vedic scriptures is meant for "GOD realization" only. However the scriptures say that in Kaliyuga everyone is a "Shudra" and "Dwipada Pashu" (animal with two legs).
For Kaliyuga Varnashrama cannot be followed.
Imagine 10000 years later Indians of that time say that Phule, Ambedkar, Periyar, MGR, Karunanidhi, Kanshiram,Mayavati and Kannamozhi were never born and were mythological character stories told to children as bed time stories!
Lord Rama's stories may not be relished by every one. Some may even find them exaggerated but denying our ancestors their birth only brings us ridicule and shame from outsiders!
Please note that Ramayana and Mahabharata are termed as Itihaasa's i.e. histories.
You may like it you may dislike it, you can't deny it!
Feeling so sorry for you brother, I pray that some day your heart melts with love for Lord Rama the righteous and the new religion you are forming is fully inspired by Lord Rama's life.
RE:Sleeping Maroon MAni
by Perv Sharma on Sep 26, 2007 08:40 AM Permalink
JAmade .....,. use UR brains the above article is addressed to MANI MAROON's Views on SC/ST
India is a cultured nation with variety of people with different beliefs. In addition to make India more cultured, our co commenter Avinash found a new Religion which is just opposite to Hinduism.
Wish him all the best.
He may plan a better name to suit his religion other than inferior name like Hindu which was given by Parsis and christened by British and the meaning is too bad as Thief.
But my only concern about Avinash is the outcome of his idea. I doubt that the outraged fanatics Sank parivars may harm him thinking his treason.
More over I found one thing that Avinashs new faith may not grow as much as rival faiths.
It is going to be a tough fighting with Christianity and Islam when he comes up.
He needs to concentrate Charity, Education Equality, Rationalism, and brotherhood in his new religion (Same as in this Abrahamic religions) to compete fiercely.
It may require very huge investments. But you can do that.
RE:Wish Avinash all the best for his new endeavor
by Sandeep v on Sep 25, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Keep trying pal. Your friends have only managed to create less than 30% of other religions so far in India even after 1000 years of Islamic and christian rule put together.
RE:Wish Avinash all the best for his new endeavor
by Ganesh on Sep 26, 2007 06:17 PM Permalink
Dear Manimaran, dont be brianwashed by likes of periyar or karunanidhi. India has been one country of indians ,, no aryans no dravidians read this article http://micheldanino.voiceofdharma.com/tamilculture.html
These are historical facts writeen by a person who is neither aryan nor dravidian but a french man. DMK wants dredging to be done so money can be made for elections coming soon. It is a minority government surviving on congress support and congress itself may fall any minute. They are using this ploy to separate us for votes. That is all. Do not believe anyone but go thru google and you will get facts right. Brahmins did not ruin india. they never ruled india and have contributed immensely to religion, arts, culture etc.
RE:Wish Avinash all the best for his new endeavor
by prashant sharma on Sep 25, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
Maraan someone from your brotherhood did not like my ideas! so they reported them as abuse! ha ha ha.
i am wrting from my brothers id.
charity, rationalism, brotherhood in islam? in christianity/ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
u are very funny maraan.
if your views were not so venoumous u would have been a funny man.
good bye and all the best. i can gather u will be a racticing christian before long. burn your witches, and launch your crusades. and praise the virgin mother.
other than that you always have the DEMONS karunanidhi and periyaar!
RE:Wish Avinash all the best for his new endeavor
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
@ manimaar
We know all the unethical tricks that the padres/mulla and thier Brain washed lackeys like you do.
So you claim that you have "rationalism" What a bunch of b.s. Blind belief in a story which is in intself, contradicted by the 4 a so called apostles, in itself is the COMPLETE ANTITHESIS of rationalism
So please don't delude yourself, get rid of blind hate and try to learn to see the Lord in you .
Your regular abuse of the Hindu faith or Sanatan Dharma does not speak of charity or indeed "education" (brainwashing does not count as education)
When you refer to India as a cultured nation, I am proud to say we are and IT IS A DIRECT RESULT of Sanatana Dharma not due to the spread by the sword or deceit as is being practiced by many missionaries today.
Why don't all these SECULAR FELLAS advocate Uniform Civil Code as told by DR Ambedkar ? Why don't these people themselves want one law for everyone ? All other Countries have only one law for its citizens ?
Isn't this in itself the proof of tolerance of Hinduism that we give respect and allow other religions to have their own law within our constitution ?
If U are a christain go to Saudi or any other Islamic Country - U will be treated only by Islamic Law but we hindus have given a place for every person ? Probably that's the biggest mistake in our constitution's amendment ?
RE:Funny but
by Ganesh on Sep 26, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
Dear Sharmaji,
All these are due to dynastic rules of the congress. When SC gave its verdict in Shah Bano case, Indira brought a law to give special status for muslims as she was married to one. Nehru gave special status to Kashmir for his own family needs and we are still suffering there. His own caste pundits are out of the state. Karunanidhi will only attack Hindus, and supporters like Manimaran are still brainwashed by Karunanidhi to state that the problem of poverty in India is due to Brahmins. These feelings are created due to jealousy only
RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
Hi Mani,
The truth is they do not want penniless, low caste people in hinduism, so the change of their mindset is very difficult, Whatever they cry wolf of conversions are for the sake of a fight. Really they want to shed the overload of poor people and people who want reasons behind rituals. They consider this people as dangerous but in reality they who can fine tune this religion and help to update to modern times requirement. It has become less soulsearching and more of chanting. But They know this but pretent as if they don't get it, With violent mobs shouting they don't hear what their heart say
RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Sanjay Jamdade on Sep 26, 2007 12:47 AM Permalink
You and many like yourself suffer from inferiority complex brother!
You are still welcome into the folds of Hinduism! What ever way you pray remember you shall always be termed by Outsiders like Chinese Japanese, Arabs, Italians as an Indian and not as a Christian!
You can't change your Indian genes!
You may have suffered torture from few upper class Hindus. But your Identity is always Indian--that you cannot change!
By the way why not one Indian Christian has become a Pope?
There are thousands of such questions. So from the frying pan into the fire- such is your fate.
Conversion is a political tool,it has nothing to do with God!
Remember Saint Chokhoba of Maharashtra and Saint Kanakdas of Karnataka did not undergo conversion. Their hymns are sung in schools and colleges do post graduate thesis on them!
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 26, 2007 07:50 PM Permalink
The history of conversion goes back to brahmins migration (Parasurama's clan) During the maurya empire they could not stay in North because of they became vegetarian and offering pattern has changed. They migrated to south India and slowly undermined the Saivaites who were earlier purohits by pleasing the kings with Yagna's and offering. Slowly they became priests and thrown the native Vellala priest out and hijake the religion. Only kings and rich were wanted and rest all become unwanted garbage. So the people were not living so many years without a God. So conversions took place to avenge the act Mind you The people who converted are not just beggers sort They were all hard working people and real backbone of country. Still you will never understand,
RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
I will never ever abuse any form of god The point is I am not aversed to seek the truth even if gods are involved. Gods cannot be so mysterious And also fragile as always Avinash or Sharma constantly rescuing him. YOu can abuse as much of Jesus and Its your problem and I dont abuse you back. A faith should have a substantial amount of intellect to grow. Thats all I have to say. Let there be Rama sethu, I don't have a problem But sethu canal is all we want As our CM said. Listen to Bhagwan rajneesh once and you will change a lot I guess
RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
@ albert
WHen you say "I will never ever abuse any form of god The point is I am not aversed to seek the truth even if gods are involved."
This is not what you have said and I have replied to a few pages back.
That said, when we say that we se the divinity in EACH AND EVERY living being and see the Lord in them, you twist it to say that the Lord/Gods are "fragile".
On the contrary, we feel our Lord cannot be affected by pathetic human beings, who are but a manifestation of him
You may or may not realize it, but what you statement implies, that is you are putting down Sanatana Dharma. I hope that it is true ignorance and not deliberate distortion
When you say "A faith should have a substantial amount of intellect to grow. "
What do you mean by that? Are you implying that Sanatan Dharma does not have that?
If so, I beg to differ, as it is the ONLY faith that allows individuals to grow in their OWN way, rather than making tham follow a rigid set of rules, any of which if you contradict, you are judjed to be "Blasphemous" or an " Apostate"
Am I not correct or are your intentions just Hindu-bashing.
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 26, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Mittal, I agree with you and sanathana dharma preaches plenty of things which could be able to practiced by Brahmin priest. The fruits of sanathana dhama not benifitted many other than brahmins. Thats the curse of the religion, but unfortunately you do not want to get rid off. Its your handcap that makes you complain about conversion and other religion If one practice what he preaches should not have been so much denigrating from this great faith. Touch your heart and say that your priests are deep rooted spitualists. Yuo have to agree to some extend. Like I agree chiristianity is not so perfect too But they keep the flocks together. Do you have guts to agree that your religion The moment you do some Vedanthi will issue a Fatwa Be carefull and we all want you.
RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Ganesh on Sep 26, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
Dear Albert, no one is abusing Jesus. Sethusamuthram Project is not a commercially viable project as it is not deep canal like the suez and 85% of the ships cannot use it. Only small ships can use the canal. Suez was built by the British to save shipping time and if this was plausible and viable, do you just think that they would have done it when it was ruling us itself. The pros and cons were against it from day one. The fact that this project has been discussed for 100 years and not materialised is due to its commercian inviability. Those who oppose it do not want to lose 2 million brothers and sisters by another Tsunami. CM does not care for them. He is only interested in the money that comes from the dredging contract for elections coming soon. Maran brothers are no longer there with him with lots of money. It all boils down to money and nothing for the country my dear. Never trust a politician to speak the whole truth.
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 26, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
@ albert
Thank you for your reply. At least you have some courtesy.
The preists are just that , priests doing ritualistic worship. The level of spirituality achieved by them is their personal quest.
Now, I could point out the pedophilia and rape on innocent minors both homosexual and heterosexual by the Catholic priests as a representation of the Christian faith as YOU have done. What would you think of that
Now, you say that people do not practice Sanatan Dharma.
I strongly differ from you on that or else the minority like your faith would not have flourished in India for HUNDREDS of years.
Your last two lines are unitelligible so I cannot respond.
It seems that one part of you may want to understand but the other part is bent on criticising the Hindu faith. That very nature is the paranoia created by the indoctriantion by your background.
You mention that if they make you a "Shnakaracharya" you will convert to Hinduism Do you realise that these individuals under TWENTY years of rigorous daily training living life in an austere spartan setting, cultivating Sattvic qualities so as to be qualified for the position.
It is easy to want something and say that you desreve this. Instead of making hollow statements learn to respect other and love them.
I am afraid that your posts do not show ANY love as you claim your faith teaches.
BTW, I was not born on "Brahmin" family but aspire t know "Braham Vidya" which is what makes a "Brahmin"
RE:RE:RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Albert on Sep 26, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
Ganesh, I think you are a Tamil, and six crore people wanting it is not a Joke. It develops so much ports from kanyakumari to nagapatnam, there will be good economic activity on coastel towns with new townships It saves roughly 1200 km of distance to chennai So don't get fooled by economies of BJP, and have faith in Tamil nadu and its people.
RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by Perv Sharma on Sep 25, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
For the Last 15 years UP, Bihar have had only SC/BC Chief Ministers with a Majority ? Now why blame Brahmins then for UR Choice of Leaders ?
RE:To Avinash and Team. Part 1
by pervinder_s@yahoo.com on Sep 25, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
U Live in Porkistan don't U? UR Both the points happen in India for your kind information ?
U contradict URself ? on 1. point U state to do away with Caste System and in the same point U want anybody to become a Brahmin or a Dalit ? Whenever there is no caste system then everybody can only be a Hindu - Idiot Moroon of Porkistan ?
RE:Denying RAM and HINDUISM Means DEVELOPMENT
by Sandeep v on Sep 25, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
And still Hinduism lets Morons like you to live in India. Try these kind of comments in any Islamic majority country and you wouldn't be alive today. Don't cry like a baby. You are just jealous that you think some people are more privileged than you. I am not a Brahmin but have no problem with their 'privilege' in the past. What they did in the past has come back to haunt them. But this has nothing to do with the philosophy of Hinduism. At least in India no one was put to death for believing in science like in the dark ages in the west. If you don't know what is told in the scriptures, why do you put your stupidity on sites like this and make yourself a laughing stock. I have stayed in Tamil nadu for 6 years and I know how pios people there are. Agreed that there is still a lot of superstition left. Try naming one religion which never had superstition. And you think that Hinduism is stupid??? Surely, the world doesn't seem to think so. Ayurveda and yoga are famous now and almost every one in the world knows about karmic law. Look around you man. True pathfinder.
RE:RE:Denying RAM and HINDUISM Means DEVELOPMENT
by Abirami Bhaskar on Sep 26, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Sandeep. Thank you for your following comments: >>still Hinduism lets Morons like you to live in India. >> you wouldn't be alive today.
This confirms that you are a Hindu Facsist. If you want to form a Facist Hindu land you are free to do so. Please take Mr.L.K.Advani & Co ( RSS, VHP) and move to Afghanistan or some other country where majority cares only about religion and nothing else. My mother land India is not the place for that.
BTW- who cares whether you are brahmin or non-brahmin
RE:Denying RAM and HINDUISM Means DEVELOPMENT
by Perv Sharma on Sep 25, 2007 02:15 PM Permalink
What does the name MANI MAARAN stand for ? an ISLAMIC or Christian ?
We are not fools to hear your sweet stories about Kalidasa or Raghuvamsa. Nice try!! Author of this article is Hindu Fascist and should be brought under law for invoking Religious tensions.
one question to Mr. Tarun Vijay. If RSS is the true reprsentative of the Indian culture, why do they walk arond in shirts and half pants discarded by the britishers?
There is a wide spread feeling in the north as to why there is blood shed in only in north India and why south is peaceful and progressing. Then comes Rama and parivar to stop the canal. It is purely North south divide rather than a religious one. North has never respected south and its sovernity over its territory, If we want a bridge it is within our territory and our head ache, why someone from UP has to break his head. If Ramas bridge is affected Let the Gods themselves protect it, after all gods have supernatural powers. After Independence India should have had one more division as Nrth and south India. So that North can have Their Ram
RE:RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
You are confused with caste and religion catholic and protestant are two different sect seek Jesus. The question is a dalit, Bc or a brahmin all in the same faith and why the priests and madathipathis only from brahmins. This the only hurdle in Hinduism the moment you get rid of the aliens who hijaked Hinuism it will truly become a religion of Indians
RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Mahendra Patel on Oct 01, 2007 06:24 AM Permalink
Tell me first the differences between Greek Eastern Aurthodox Church, Catholic, Protestant,Evangelic, Mormon, Jevohas Witness,Baptist, Methodist- Vow List Goes on just in 2000 Years. Also tell me in deatail about POPE- Distributing Paper ticket for admition in Haven.
Same with Others for merely 1400 YRS.
Tell me How many can recite Whole Bible?
Only Passage I like is -Sermon on Mount, rest is Second hand Story.
Don't take me wrong, I am not agaist anything , exploring other Faiths and its Roots.
Same Goes with Communist Menifesto, DAS KAPITAS-By Karl Marx and Engle, His whole theory is based on his observation on Medieval European Greedy Chritian Land Lords and Kings.
What that has to do with INDIA, Look at Stalin He Killed Million of His own Russian, Look at Chinese MAO Killed Millions during his SO CALLED "CULTURAL REVOLUTION". Don't Tell me You are for Helping Poor- How by killing them?
First thing in Any Religion, if it is true religion is Respect for another Human Being.
RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by pervinder_s@yahoo.com on Sep 25, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
So U r Saying a Protestant is not a christian or a Catholic is not a Christian
Albert U r confused ? U r now labelling Protestnat as a sect within Chrisitainity and by the way don't the Catholics consider Protestants as untouchables ? They do ? UR Pope has even gone on record saying Protestants are not Christains ? They are not allowed to Catholic Churches ? They can't marry in a CAtholic Church ?
RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 26, 2007 08:10 PM Permalink
@ Albert
The preists are just that,priests doing ritualistic worship. If you bother to read the preistly duties are now carried out by ALL HINDUS REGARDLESS OF THEIR FAMILY. The level of spirituality achieved by them is their personal quest.
Now, I could point out the pedophilia and rape on innocent minors, both homosexual and heterosexual by the Catholic priests as a representation of the Christian faith as YOU have done. What would you think of that?
Your last two lines are unitelligible so I cannot respond.
It seems that one part of you may want to understand but the other part is bent on criticising the Hindu faith. That very nature is the paranoia created by the indoctrination by your background.
You mention that if they make you a "Shankaracharya" you will convert to Hinduism Do you realise that these individuals under TWENTY years of rigorous daily training living life in an austere spartan setting, cultivating Sattvic qualities so as to be qualified for the position.
It is easy to want something and say that you desreve this. Instead of making hollow statements, learn to respect other and love them.
I am afraid that your posts do not show ANY love as you claim your faith teaches.
BTW, I was not born on "Brahmin" family but aspire t know "Braham Vidya" which is what makes a "Brahmin". So, don't try that old b.s. techinique
RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
@ albert
Nice try withthe north soth divide thing.
Did you perchance hear abut the 1000 INNOCENT People killed at the Christian healing center in Muringoor by the priest and nuns
Were those murders NON-Violent?
What about the Marad murders?
Coimbatore bomb blasts?
Hyderabad bomb blasts?
Nice try with a new approach to try to shake the faith of the already vulnerable Hindus form the South who are systematically being fed this from the Hindu haters at
a. CPM - b. DMK - led by Kalia nagar Krauna c. Congress - led by Y Samuel Rajashekar Reddy
What makes you see these lies as truths. Have you ever thought of that?
I hope that the Hindus in the South start waking up to this assault on their psyche soon, before they become a minority and inconsequetial
RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
I think the hindu brothers in south do not welcome your concern except some brahmin friends who think not enough bloodshed to entertain them. Though Rama gopalan and L Ganesan is trying their best to make them happy still its not enough. In thenkasi they succeded in achiving six murders but well below the target as their North counterparts. Can anyone become sankaracharya fro backward community, Then there will be lot of people convert back to Hinuism. Think about it I will convert myself.
RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Yuppie Indian on Sep 25, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
where is it mentioned that a dalit cant become a ssankaracharya? if a virgin can deliver a baby then Rama can surely build a bridge.
RE:RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 11:49 AM Permalink
You are an ABSURD Learn more about ground realities than scripters
RE:RE:RE:How to come of Rama Effect (menace)
by Albert on Sep 25, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
This is what people want you make starategies to cater majority interest Not just dalits, donot leave BC's to. This will bring a wide cover of people under Hinduism, except giving only to brahmins.
